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Old 06-09-2013, 12:33 AM   #1
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Group Buy for Optic Armor Glass

I'm in contact with Jim at Optic Armor (they make polycarbonate windows for racing):

http://www.opticarmorwindows.com/index.htm

And he said if we can get at least 10 buyers we'll get a 10% discount as a group buy.

Here's the chart that fits the 5th gen:

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The factory glass thickness is 3/16". These windows save at least half the weight compared to the factory glass and they are a direct drop-in replacement. They're also 250x stronger than the factory glass. Just as an example the Optic Armor front window at 3/16" weighs only 11 lbs and the rear window in the same thickness weighs 6 lbs. If you just replace those two windows you'll save 27 lbs compared to the factory glass.

However take note that the Optic Armor rear glass does NOT have the rear window defogger grid nor the AM/FM radio antenna in it. I'm planning on replacing the front, both doors and quarter panel windows, but I'm leaving the rear window stock to keep the defogger and radio antenna. Jim said replacing what I'm planning should save at least 50 lbs.

Why would I want to do this? Well obviously removing 50+ lbs from the car helps; lighter is faster. However removing the weight this high up on the car also has the added benefit of lowering the center-of-gravity for the whole car which helps cornering by reducing body roll; keeps the car flatter through the curves. This will benefit anybody who races in autocross or road course, and the simple reduction of weight will also help anyone drag racing.

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Old 06-09-2013, 02:15 AM   #2
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Dang 50 lbs for a grand. ..........
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Old 06-09-2013, 10:45 AM   #3
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Well guys sit there burning away hundreds of dollars smoking their expensive tires just for laughs so to me this is a much more useful way to spend that money. It also has the benefit of being 250x stronger so it would be MUCH harder for thieves to break the window glass and get into the car.
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Old 06-09-2013, 10:48 AM   #4
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Old 06-09-2013, 11:29 AM   #5
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Well guys sit there burning away hundreds of dollars smoking their expensive tires just for laughs so to me this is a much more useful way to spend that money. It also has the benefit of being 250% stronger so it would be MUCH harder for thieves to break the window glass and get into the car.
Agreed my man.


But the glass is thinner so the increase in strength means it is as strong as the stock glass I think. ..

if I hit it witha hammer it will break lol
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Agreed my man.


But the glass is thinner so the increase in strength means it is as strong as the stock glass I think. ..

if I hit it witha hammer it will break lol
No the factory glass is 3/16 so the same thickness Optic Armor is 250x stronger.
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Old 06-09-2013, 03:41 PM   #7
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Nice, even with the 10% discount I wouldn't be able to avoid it :/

But sub. never know what might happen.
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Doc will the windshield work with the HUD??

If so put me on the list, I need a new one. Mine cracked on my way back from big willow last weekend from a rock getting kicked up by a truck.
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Doc will the windshield work with the HUD??

If so put me on the list, I need a new one. Mine cracked on my way back from big willow last weekend from a rock getting kicked up by a truck.
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"AS long as the windshield will work with HUD"


Hey guys sorry for the late respond on this question as Jim had e-mail me the answer last week. (See below)

"Yes it does work it, however because our windows are so clear the HUD reflection will not be as bright."
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"AS long as the windshield will work with HUD"


Hey guys sorry for the late respond on this question as Jim had e-mail me the answer last week. (See below)

"Yes it does work it, however because our windows are so clear the HUD reflection will not be as bright."
Cool, nothing a little tint won't fix. Thanks!

Put me on the list Doc for a front windshield.
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Also for anyone interested in this think about it. If you need to replace the front windshield it's almost $700 for a new HUD windshield installed. Even if you pay $100 for the install its cheaper and better than going back with a stock one.
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Also for anyone interested in this think about it. If you need to replace the front windshield it's almost $700 for a new HUD windshield installed. Even if you pay $100 for the install its cheaper and better than going back with a stock one.
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Is it more or less scratch resistant then glass? Also, can they tint it like factory tinted glass, not just with aftermarket tint?
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Is it more or less scratch resistant then glass? Also, can they tint it like factory tinted glass, not just with aftermarket tint?
Well the factory glass is tinted at about 75% so I don't see why you couldn't get it done like that.
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AND the 250x stronger factor can be important for avoiding windows cracking from rock dings.
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Yeah Jim said they can tint them.
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Hey Doc, do you have someone lined up to install yours? Maybe we can get an install discount if a few of us use the same person and shipping maybe cheaper if some of them were shipped to the same place?
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Hey Doc, do you have someone lined up to install yours? Maybe we can get an install discount if a few of us use the same person and shipping maybe cheaper if some of them were shipped to the same place?
No, hadn't gotten that far yet but that's not a bad idea. Jim said it needs to be a place that's familiar with installing polycarbonate for the door windows but he said any shop that does racing car bodies will be able to do that.

If it looks like the group buy is going to happen I'll start checking around to see what I can find.
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No, hadn't gotten that far yet but that's not a bad idea. Jim said it needs to be a place that's familiar with installing polycarbonate for the door windows but he said any shop that does racing car bodies will be able to do that.

If it looks like the group buy is going to happen I'll start checking around to see what I can find.
I will wait and see then. Depending on when this happens I may want to do the side glass as well.
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how will it do with a car thats parked outside in a windy and gritty area? my car has never seen a garage. i wouls be interested in all of it in the thinnest/lightest except the rear...dont want to lose defrost and radio for my daily driver/track car


also how does it do with extreme heat and extreme cold?
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how will it do with a car thats parked outside in a windy and gritty area? my car has never seen a garage. i wouls be interested in all of it in the thinnest/lightest except the rear...dont want to lose defrost and radio for my daily driver/track car


also how does it do with extreme heat and extreme cold?
It's 250 times stronger than regular glass. Should be fine.

I wouldn't suggest going with the thinnest option though - you'll have gaps between the glass and the trim.
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how will it do with a car thats parked outside in a windy and gritty area? my car has never seen a garage. i wouls be interested in all of it in the thinnest/lightest except the rear...dont want to lose defrost and radio for my daily driver/track car


also how does it do with extreme heat and extreme cold?
Don't know on these; I emailed the link to this thread to Jim so maybe he or someone from Optic can chime in and answer those questions. Since these windows are used on race cars which are out on the track under extreme temperature conditions I should imagine they'd hold up to heat; extreme cold though I don't know. Shouldn't be any worse than any other piece on the car I would think.

I'd recommend a 3/16" windshield for strength or drill and bolt the windshield in for high speed security. The windshield is normally only glued in and at 150+ mph you don't want the windshield deforming under the wind pressure and coming unglued. Side windows could be 1/8" which saves even more weight but then you'd have the mismatch of the surfaces being 1/16" lower than the frame they're mounted in. I don't know how well the door windows would seal against the rubber weather strip if they're 1/8" thinner than normal. That's not an issue on a dedicated track car but mine isn't so I'm going with 3/16" on all pieces so they'll fit exactly like the stock windows. I'll take the few extra pounds weight penalty (can't be that much either; how much weight can 1/16" of a layer be?).
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Hey guys just wanted to chime in and give you a personal testimonial from an end user.

We received our optic armor front and rear glass a few weeks ago and could not be more impressed with the quality and clarity. nobody would ever know that they weren't factory pieces by looking at them.

They are scratch resistant. look at the video below where they have the glass being wiped with steel wool.

They are 250 times stronger, not 250%. I don't think they would shatter if you hit them with a hammer.

One of the big selling points to us was that the Ring brothers use this glass. If any of you are familiar with them, they do not use anything short of the best. all of their builds are top notch and out of this world.

Here is an informative video on optic armor from PRI

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