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Old 06-10-2013, 12:13 AM   #26
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Thanks for that correction; that's even better than I thought - 250 TIMES as strong! No rock ding cracked windshields anymore.

Nice informative video too. It's interesting to see that demo where the steel wool is wiping across the "other" brand polycarbonate where you can see the fine scratches and then on the Optic Armor side it's perfectly clean with no scratches.
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Old 06-10-2013, 01:33 AM   #27
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Thanks for posting that video Nathan. I was still skeptical about this until I saw that. No worries about using the wipers and using it for DD.
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Old 06-10-2013, 11:19 AM   #28
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Ok it looks like there's a clarification for the price of the drop-in black windows as I was just informed by Optic Armor.

Here's the link he sent me:

http://opticarmorwindows.com/FAQ.html

I'm trying to find out if the price of $500 is for both front and rear together or for each window.

I'll let you know soon as I find out.
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Is this like the lexan windows in nascar where they have the three metal bars on the front windshield. Is that something we would need? Or are these windows thicker? I'm interested in doing front window and maybe quarters. With the door windows will they still be able to roll up and down?
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Old 06-10-2013, 12:42 PM   #30
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From what I read it seems like those bars would only be needed if you decided to exceed 150mph?
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Old 06-10-2013, 03:30 PM   #31
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NASCAR actually mandates the bracing for crash safety. They utilize a 1/4" window which is much more rigid of course than the 3/16" that we recommend for most street and drag applications. But there truely is no need to go any thicker than 3/16" for 95% of the vehicles out there. However with that said if you are running in a sanctioning body that requires 1/4" such as some road race organizations we can accommodate you.
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Old 06-10-2013, 03:31 PM   #32
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Ok it looks like there's a clarification for the price of the drop-in black windows as I was just informed by Optic Armor.

Here's the link he sent me:

http://opticarmorwindows.com/FAQ.html

I'm trying to find out if the price of $500 is for both front and rear together or for each window.

I'll let you know soon as I find out.
the price is per window, thanks again guys!
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Old 06-10-2013, 08:51 PM   #33
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the price is per window, thanks again guys!
Thanks for the clarification!
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Old 06-12-2013, 10:20 AM   #34
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Bump for anyone who hasn't seen this. We're almost halfway there! Even if you just replace the front windshield, that's going to lower the overall vehicle weight, pulls weight from the front area, helps reduce body roll around corners, and 250x stronger than the factory windshield means no worrying about rock dings cracking your windshield!
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I would like to do the fronts and quarter panels only which I think are all glued on, however I don't know anyone who knows how to install these, maybe the dealership can? I mean theyre smart for a dealership I must admit but they haven't done anything like this either.

What if im interested in taking the car to 200mph, if this is stronger than the factory glass it should be no problem, even if its just glued on?

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Old 06-12-2013, 06:00 PM   #37
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I would like to do the fronts and quarter panels only which I think are all glued on, however I don't know anyone who knows how to install these, maybe the dealership can? I mean theyre smart for a dealership I must admit but they haven't done anything like this either.

What if im interested in taking the car to 200mph, if this is stronger than the factory glass it should be no problem, even if its just glued on?

HELP lol.
The dealership should be able to either do the install or refer you to their glass shop and they can do it.

Optic Armor recommends bolting the windshield for speeds as high as you're going. They have pics on their website.
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Has anyone looked into contacting their insurance to get an allowance to replace the front windshield? Mine is beat to hell and I'm considering the swap for that reason alone, that and I'm addicted to weight loss...

-edit- I'm going to answer my own question - reached out to State Farm to see their response. If we can get them to pay for legitimate claims and apply the $ to the Optic Armor we may get a ton more people on this.
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Has anyone looked into contacting their insurance to get an allowance to replace the front windshield? Mine is beat to hell and I'm considering the swap for that reason alone, that and I'm addicted to weight loss...

-edit- I'm going to answer my own question - reached out to State Farm to see their response. If we can get them to pay for legitimate claims and apply the $ to the Optic Armor we may get a ton more people on this.
But then people will have to "magically" all need new windshields around the same time
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But then people will have to "magically" all need new windshields around the same time
Hence my statement of 'legitimate' claims. I'm not looking to scam my insurance company, just play within the rules and get the return on the insurance premiums that I pay. They may not allow it for only pitted windshields, however you never know unless you ask.


P.S. Sorry for your loss, saw it in your thread when it happened =/
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Hence my statement of 'legitimate' claims. I'm not looking to scam my insurance company, just play within the rules and get the return on the insurance premiums that I pay. They may not allow it for only pitted windshields, however you never know unless you ask.


P.S. Sorry for your loss, saw it in your thread when it happened =/
They do allow it for pitted windshields, it's called a sand damage claim. Happens where I live all the time. I was considering going through my insurance but why when I will have to pay the deductible which is the same price as the windshield.
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are the front windows blacked at the edges?
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are the front windows blacked at the edges?
Yes and so are the rears. Click on the link to their site and check them out.
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are the front windows blacked at the edges?
Yes the drop in black front is $500, the rear is also blacked. Side windows obviously aren't.
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There is lots of talk about the strength of these windows, but no one (that I've seen) has mentioned the hardness. How will these holy up to scratches. Will they show signs of pitting any faster than glass? I can't really imagine them being harder than glass. Strength and Hardness are two different things.

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Just curious, would replacing the door windows be a straight forward DIY, or would it be something I would have to take to a shop?

Also how much weight saving would there be with just the two door windows?
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There is lots of talk about the strength of these windows, but no one (that I've seen) has mentioned the hardness. How will these holy up to scratches. Will they show signs of pitting any faster than glass? I can't really imagine them being harder than glass. Strength and Hardness are two different things.

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Watch the video on the link that Nathan posted earlier, it shows a live demo of a windshield wiper wrapped in steel wool swiping across a windshield that's half regular polycarbonate and half Optic Armor. The "other" side you can see fine scratches, the Optic Armor side is unscratched so it seems to pass the hardness test. And keep in mind these are used on Nascar vehicles where they're moving at 180+ mph so any sand, rocks, bits of metal etc. that might be getting kicked up in front of them are hitting the windshield and they do not penetrate. Hopefully Jim can give more info on this but he said you could hit it with a sledgehammer and it wouldn't break.

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Just curious, would replacing the door windows be a straight forward DIY, or would it be something I would have to take to a shop?

Also how much weight saving would there be with just the two door windows?
Here's a direct quote from Jim:

"...As far rolling them up and down they will withstand the motion of such however you will need someone who is experienced with polycarbonate windows to install them due to some minor issues with installing side windows in a door that does not have a full frame. Let me know if you have any additional questions, thanks again!"

So any shop that deals with race car bodies would be able to handle the door window install.

I'm not sure what the exact weights of the door windows are. I've asked Jim but he hasn't gotten back to me on that yet. I don't even know what the stock windows weigh. Jim did say though that their windows are at least 50% lighter than the stock windows so if you can find out what the factory glass weighs, the Optic Armor piece will be at least half that.
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Thanks Doc, I'll have to look to see if I can find a place that could install the door windows. If I can I will prob join the group buy.
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The dealership should be able to either do the install or refer you to their glass shop and they can do it.

Optic Armor recommends bolting the windshield for speeds as high as you're going. They have pics on their website.
well as long as its not something way complicated then I could get it done, but that's why im only getting the front and quarter panels, don't want to fiddle with moving windows and/or the rear FM antenna and defogger.

Im assuming the standard glass will have a different tint to it however, could Optic Armor apply the exact same tint to the glass to make it undistinguishable to the untrained eye?

Sorry for all the questions, if yes you can add me to the list.

Also, whats the turnaround time if this groub buy goes through?
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well as long as its not something way complicated then I could get it done, but that's why im only getting the front and quarter panels, don't want to fiddle with moving windows and/or the rear FM antenna and defogger.

Im assuming the standard glass will have a different tint to it however, could Optic Armor apply the exact same tint to the glass to make it undistinguishable to the untrained eye?

Sorry for all the questions, if yes you can add me to the list.

Also, whats the turnaround time if this groub buy goes through?
Yes they can add a tint that matches the factory which is 70%. I don't know what the turn around time is going to be but I'm sure we'll get an estimate from Jim once they get started.
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