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Old 06-11-2013, 08:26 AM   #1
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New GT500's no joke! Mod up folks!!!

Customer just had his bone stock GT500 dyno's at a shop that does a ton of Camaros. Damn thing laid down 629whp, same as their stg.4 ZL1.
I was shocked. Got to go for a ride also, and that new launch control works way better than I thought it could.
They weigh the same as an SS roughly.
I know the ZL1 spanks the Shelby on most tracks, but holy hell a street light experience would be very humbling indeed.
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Old 06-11-2013, 11:20 AM   #2
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That's the highest number I have seen yet. A few over at the SVT forum have been in the high teens and one may have broken the 620 mark. In general they seem to be between 580-615 depending on the dyno. The question is can the driver launch all that HP without a smokeshow?
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Old 06-11-2013, 11:33 AM   #3
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That's great power for a stock car. Chevy needs to put the ls9 in the zl1.
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Old 06-11-2013, 01:53 PM   #4
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That's great power for a stock car. Chevy needs to put the ls9 in the zl1.
Why? It wouldn't help in a straight line compared to the GT500.
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Old 06-11-2013, 02:31 PM   #5
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That's great power for a stock car. Chevy needs to put the ls9 in the zl1.
That's great power for any car. Many full on race cars don't have that kind of power.
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Old 06-11-2013, 02:42 PM   #6
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That's great power for any car. Many full on race cars don't have that kind of power.
you got some slow "race cars'" up there then.

we got 8 700-1500hp street cars in just our little club..
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Why? It wouldn't help in a straight line compared to the GT500.
I think it'd help a little.
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Old 06-11-2013, 03:43 PM   #8
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you got some slow "race cars'" up there then.

we got 8 700-1500hp street cars in just our little club..
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What do you consider "slow race car" just toss out a time range
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What do you consider "slow race car" just toss out a time range
10s is pretty slow these days for a "race car"

This is a list of Texas fast LSX's and it is fairly current.
These are the times I would be aiming for if I had the funds for a all out "race car"

20 Fastest LSx's in Texas

1) LMR/WORMBOY/Dave Lewis 7.24@209mph (Bi -Turbo)

2)LMR/WORMBOY 7.57@188 (single turbo)

3)LMR/WORMBOY 7.98 @175 (single turbo)

4)LMR/Pain/Vette/ 8.32@165.30 (Nitrous)

5)LMR/GOLDRUST 8.37 @173 (Bi-Turbo)

6) AgFormula02 8.57 at 154.47 (APS Kit)

7)SAM SS (School of Automotive Machinists 8.58 @157 (All Motor 4spd Manual)

8)KECHME 8.73 @156 (Nitrous)

9)Ls1Joe 8.86@154 All Motor

10)LMR/TheBlueGoose 8.9@156 TEXAS' FIRST LSX IN THE 8s

11)Mr Powell 8.9@151.43 (Nitrous

12)Elite Hot Rod 9.23@149(Nitrous)

13)TXCAMSS 9.39@141mph (ALL MOTOR/93 Pump gas)

14) LMR\Wormboy -First 2010 Camaro in the 9's 9.50 (F1R)

15)1320Vette 9.61 @ 141mph (Nitrous)

16)SuperZ 9.66 at 145mph (Turbo)

17)Texas Speed & Performance 9.66 @ 131mph (Stock Bottom End LS1, NA)

18)Glenn Bray\longoria racecars\firebird02ta 9.69 @ 137mph (Nitrous)

19)Jay Johnson 9.77 @ 134mph (ALL MOTOR)

20)Minytrker 9.79@101 (Nitrous)
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I would agree that 10s isnt as fast as it used to be, but its still pretty damn fast haha.

I would concur that 9.99 and faster is a pretty fast race car
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Why? It wouldn't help in a straight line compared to the GT500.
So your saying 60 more hp and 50 more tq will not help.

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That's great power for any car. Many full on race cars don't have that kind of power.
600rwhp is not exactly a race car but it does make a good street beast.

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you got some slow "race cars'" up there then.

we got 8 700-1500hp street cars in just our little club..
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I think it'd help a little.
It would make them very close in a straight line.

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I would agree that 10s isnt as fast as it used to be, but its still pretty damn fast haha.

I would concur that 9.99 and faster is a pretty fast race car
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Old 06-11-2013, 09:08 PM   #12
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you got some slow "race cars'" up there then.

we got 8 700-1500hp street cars in just our little club..
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There are all kinds of "race" cars that have under 662HP in many classes in this world. HP along does no make a race car.
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Old 06-11-2013, 09:14 PM   #13
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Old 06-11-2013, 09:20 PM   #14
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That's great power for a stock car. Chevy needs to put the ls9 in the zl1.
TRUE THAT!!! Just like the hennessy 0-60 in 3.3 and quarter mile in 10.9.
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Old 06-11-2013, 10:46 PM   #15
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It's still a Ford. It still costs more than a ZL1 when the OPTIONS on the Ford are matching the STANDARDS on the ZL1. So yea, for the extra money i would expect higher HP.
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Old 06-11-2013, 11:56 PM   #16
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So your saying 60 more hp and 50 more tq will not help.
In a 1/4 mile race? It would make the ZL1 faster but I doubt it would run down a GT500.
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Old 06-13-2013, 02:27 PM   #17
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That's great power for a stock car. Chevy needs to put the ls9 in the zl1.
Or at least put the a 2300 series supercharger on the ZL1 in place of the 1900 it has now. I think she Shelby is running the 2300 correct me if i'm wrong.

Both are great American cars
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Old 06-18-2013, 01:05 AM   #18
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10s is pretty slow these days for a "race car"

This is a list of Texas fast LSX's and it is fairly current.
These are the times I would be aiming for if I had the funds for a all out "race car"

20 Fastest LSx's in Texas

1) LMR/WORMBOY/Dave Lewis 7.24@209mph (Bi -Turbo)

2)LMR/WORMBOY 7.57@188 (single turbo)

3)LMR/WORMBOY 7.98 @175 (single turbo)

4)LMR/Pain/Vette/ 8.32@165.30 (Nitrous)

5)LMR/GOLDRUST 8.37 @173 (Bi-Turbo)

6) AgFormula02 8.57 at 154.47 (APS Kit)

7)SAM SS (School of Automotive Machinists 8.58 @157 (All Motor 4spd Manual)

8)KECHME 8.73 @156 (Nitrous)

9)Ls1Joe 8.86@154 All Motor

10)LMR/TheBlueGoose 8.9@156 TEXAS' FIRST LSX IN THE 8s

11)Mr Powell 8.9@151.43 (Nitrous

12)Elite Hot Rod 9.23@149(Nitrous)

13)TXCAMSS 9.39@141mph (ALL MOTOR/93 Pump gas)

14) LMR\Wormboy -First 2010 Camaro in the 9's 9.50 (F1R)

15)1320Vette 9.61 @ 141mph (Nitrous)

16)SuperZ 9.66 at 145mph (Turbo)

17)Texas Speed & Performance 9.66 @ 131mph (Stock Bottom End LS1, NA)

18)Glenn Bray\longoria racecars\firebird02ta 9.69 @ 137mph (Nitrous)

19)Jay Johnson 9.77 @ 134mph (ALL MOTOR)

20)Minytrker 9.79@101 (Nitrous)
A 10 second daily driver is more impressive to me than an 8 second fully built race car especially when you consider that there are some 9 second daily drivers out there these days. In fact, there are some "True Street" cars that have dipped into the high 8's. And you have to remember that with some rules in some brackets some race cars are only going to be so fast. A "race car" is not determined by how fast it is. It is a race car because it is used to race. Even if it's a 15 second car.
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Or at least put the a 2300 series supercharger on the ZL1 in place of the 1900 it has now. I think she Shelby is running the 2300 correct me if i'm wrong.

Both are great American cars
Plus 1 on last comment.
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Yeah, I was pretty surprised. Big numbers. Modded these things will be after ZR-1's.
What will Chevy do with the next ZR-1?
Hopefully 700.
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Old 06-20-2013, 01:47 AM   #21
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Yeah, I was pretty surprised. Big numbers. Modded these things will be after ZR-1's.
What will Chevy do with the next ZR-1?
Hopefully 700.
I don't think the ZR1s have anything to worry about. Pedders pretty much pegged the limits of the S197 3 years ago, the only thing that is left with this platform is to throw horsepower at it to try and make up for the limits of running a 10 year old chassis with a live rear axle. GT500s have hit 8s in street trim, but they will never be an all around sports car at the level the Z06 and the ZR1 are. Maybe with the next generation GT500 (or whatever replaces it) we will see 650+hp levels + a well sorted IRS + better weight distribution + tires to match power output + lighter and stronger chassis...but time will tell. Knowing Ford, they will get most things right, but f**k up one important one that matters the most. I would be happy with a 3400lb Mustang with an IRS and a N/A 500hp 5.4/5.8 or even the current 5.0.
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Say what you want.. FIND me a gt500 that will run a number without slicks and suspension work...

and I dont know how you do you "stages" but a header, 2.38 pulley and a cold air on a lsa will make WELL into the 620s..the 13 gt500s are very well endowed from ford.. 15#s of boost from the factory. Factory cold air, factory big throttle bodys and a 2.3...
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Say what you want.. FIND me a gt500 that will run a number without slicks and suspension work...

and I dont know how you do you "stages" but a header, 2.38 pulley and a cold air on a lsa will make WELL into the 620s..the 13 gt500s are very well endowed from ford.. 15#s of boost from the factory. Factory cold air, factory big throttle bodys and a 2.3...
What do you consider, "a number"

A gt500 with pulley, header and tune will put down over 700whp.
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@The Baron... Plus forged internals. It's a great engine.


Trademaster, I thought that just pulley, tune and X-pipe was needed for 700whp?
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Say what you want.. FIND me a gt500 that will run a number without slicks and suspension work...

and I dont know how you do you "stages" but a header, 2.38 pulley and a cold air on a lsa will make WELL into the 620s..the 13 gt500s are very well endowed from ford.. 15#s of boost from the factory. Factory cold air, factory big throttle bodys and a 2.3...


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What do you consider, "a number"

A gt500 with pulley, header and tune will put down over 700whp.
The number Baron is discussing the 1/4 mile. All the power in the world means nothing if you cannot put it to the ground. A 600+ HP car with a manual, street / road course tuned suspension and street tires is going to have a very hard time putting the power to the ground. You might get a hero run or two but it will be darn near impossible to make the car consistent without drag suspension and slicks. (Ideally the car should be an auto too.)

People dog the ZL1 but the car has the power to run 11s all day long. Even with the crappy 580HP (I laugh at people hating on the HP) the car makes it is hard to get the car to deliver good ETs and the ZL1 has wider tires, better traction management, and the option of an auto that the more powerful GT500 does not have.

That being said a 13 GT500 with suspension setup for drag racing (the live axle is better for this to start.) and a set of slicks and skinnies the car should run 10s all day long if the driver is good.
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