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Old 06-13-2013, 11:07 AM   #51
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I love these people who come on here and say "Mine's fine. You're a troll. How many have you owned?". Great, that's a sample size of one or two.

I don't think they are doing just fine.

Consumer Reports ratings on feedback from owners:

Overall Quality/Reliability

2010 Average

2011 Much Worse Than Average

2012 Average

"Based on the latest survey, we expect reliability of new models will be 17% below average"

GM could step it up a bit.

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let's be clear - I didn't call you a troll. I was pointing out that the problem set you listed has a pretty low failure rate. You're entitled to your own opinion....now my opinion is that you're griping about people not having an adult conversation, but yet you sound like a child in some of your own posts.
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Old 06-13-2013, 11:07 AM   #52
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i give this guy credit. any regular troll wouldn't take the time to provide evidence and examples of what he's talking about. while we might not think that his evidence is representative and are just isolated incidents, i'm impressed he took the time in the face of the crap everyones giving him
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Old 06-13-2013, 11:44 AM   #53
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i give this guy credit. any regular troll wouldn't take the time to provide evidence and examples of what he's talking about. while we might not think that his evidence is representative and are just isolated incidents, i'm impressed he took the time in the face of the crap everyones giving him
True, can't argue that one.

OP - Can you provide me TWO examples for each of these issues? Or is there only the single occurrence?
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Old 06-13-2013, 11:49 AM   #54
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Not sure if this was mentioned but didn't SUKXOST's 1LE come with a different tire on one of his rear wheels? I could be mistaken.
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Not sure if this was mentioned but didn't SUKXOST's 1LE come with a different tire on one of his rear wheels? I could be mistaken.
Yes... I posted the link to that post at the bottom of the previous page
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Old 06-13-2013, 12:34 PM   #56
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Better yet, I encourage you and the other troll cops not to post. Yes, please move on, so we can have an adult conversation on this topic of quality. There must be a "Mustangs are better than Camaros" guy on here you can all b!tch about.

Thank you.

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So it is only a conversation if everyone agrees with you? Hmmm, I guess I have been doing it wrong all these years! Thanks for informing me on something else.

Also, the splitters and hood wrap are not installed at the factory, but you should know that since you are an expert on all things Camaro!
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Old 06-13-2013, 12:36 PM   #57
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Yes... I posted the link to that post at the bottom of the previous page
O my bad haha got a lil annoyed with most of the posts so just scrolled to the bottom and typed my reply.
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Old 06-13-2013, 01:02 PM   #58
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We have personally purchased many new cars. Hands down the Camaro is the best car for the price when it comes to performance, style, and ergonomics....it just fits! Sure, there's been problems with a couple of cars, but look at the number one seller..the F150...recall on their new v-6. Major problems. Or how about the run away Toyota's? They have a mind of their own. Would never put my family in a Toyota and endanger their lives. I Will stick with the best built, best backed, American owned, GM. Go buy a Fiat Dodge and see how the fit and finish on that is. Laugh laugh laugh...
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Old 06-13-2013, 01:05 PM   #59
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lots of damage and mismatched or changed parts occur at dealership.
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Wonder why he won't answer questions posed to him about what he drives?
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Old 06-13-2013, 01:07 PM   #61
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True, can't argue that one.

OP - Can you provide me TWO examples for each of these issues? Or is there only the single occurrence?
I had 3 of the issues on my pile.
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Old 06-13-2013, 01:32 PM   #62
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I'd like to see what this guy drives.
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Old 06-13-2013, 03:15 PM   #63
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Did the OP reference Consumer Reports?

Credibility destroyed.
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Old 06-13-2013, 03:37 PM   #64
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Quality is so bad that its been the best selling sporty car for the past 4 years...go figure.
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Old 06-13-2013, 04:18 PM   #65
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Quality is so bad that its been the best selling sporty car for the past 4 years...go figure.
It was hardcore overhyped because of the movies. And it was out of production and brought back. I'm betting that's a few good reasons it sells well. Alot are traded back in, sold or lemon lawed before they are a year old though. What does that say??
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Old 06-13-2013, 04:51 PM   #66
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I'm just curious why everyone is feeding into this? It WONT end till the replies stop.
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Old 06-13-2013, 05:05 PM   #67
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Old 06-13-2013, 05:14 PM   #68
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While i agree with most of that crab being ridiculous
GM does have a tough time beating any of the japanese companies in build quality
they have came a LONNNNNNG way though
cant say anything bad about their newer stuff at all all cars included even the econo boxes
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Hmmmm complaining about a $40k car and its qualities made by chevy..... might wanna buy a higher end car. For the price it is fair don't like it trade it in easy fix.
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Alot are traded back in, sold or lemon lawed before they are a year old though. What does that say??
I would love to see your source about these "facts".
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It was hardcore overhyped because of the movies. And it was out of production and brought back. I'm betting that's a few good reasons it sells well. Alot are traded back in, sold or lemon lawed before they are a year old though. What does that say??
You got any links or can you prove it? My brother inlaw works for GM and since 2009 only 1 v6 and 2 L99s have been lemon lawed in his shop in Dallas. Most people buy these due to the looks and well these cars look real nice IMO.
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While i agree with most of that crab being ridiculous
GM does have a tough time beating any of the japanese companies in build quality
they have came a LONNNNNNG way though
cant say anything bad about their newer stuff at all all cars included even the econo boxes
How do you figure? I moved away from japanese cars due to build quality. They have a reputation for being reliable, but build quality they do not have. The sheet metal on them is pure crap.
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OK. My take. Quality...today... surpasses all that I have ever seen in almost 4 decades of the Camaro<and GM for that matter> in fit, form, function, and overall operation of the car in total. The expectancy< and entitlement today> from some is that all should be perfect, no matter what. If our species is so flawed as a sum, why should we expect mass production of items not to be seen in the same light. I'm not complaining...perfection is something to be strived for, and likely not attainable.
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Old 06-13-2013, 07:25 PM   #74
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My 2010 did suck but I chalked it up to first run blues. I broke my own rule of never buying a new model. So I blame myself more than GM. It's a fact of life that companies use the consumer for R&D anymore no matter what you buy.
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Old 06-13-2013, 07:43 PM   #75
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I will say that for the record I have found:

My hood was installed improperly and has a big scrape on the passenger side inside lip of the hood, and the hinge also in missing paint.

My wheels are unevenly painted and some have missing spots and runs though neither are bad.

Specks of dirt under the paint/ missing paint/ uneven paint. The dirt/missing paint are on the drivers side on the C pillar. They are tiny and unnoticeable by most, but I know they are there. The uneven paint is on the trunklid. It's been polished out as much can be done and not that bad, but can be seen if you look for it.

But for what it's worth, none of those things bother me too much and I don't want them fixed (well maybe the hood) but don't want a dealer to fix it. It's just not worth trying to fix those problems and possibly making them worse.

The way I see it, she looks awesome, drives awesome, and makes me happy the way she is.
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