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Old 06-13-2013, 10:14 AM   #26
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For $155 and less than an hour install I was more than willing to make the investment. Now if these things were 3-400 dollars and I couldnt install myself, maybe I'd think twice about the benefits, but for the protection I have seen documented I think it is worth it.
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Old 06-13-2013, 12:00 PM   #27
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I was also a skeptic, but not anymore, When one of the members here purchased a ZL1, I bought the Catch can he had on his SS. I just emptied the Catch can the other day, and was amazed at how much Oil was in the Can. ( approx 4 Shot glasses full of Oil, in about 3000 miles)
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Old 06-13-2013, 12:26 PM   #28
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Alot of people on Camaro5 drink the koolaid with certain mods. Do the research yourself with the evidence C5 provides.

The catch can does work, it does serve a purpose, and its tangible. You should NOT have oil in your pcv system, and when you open the catch can and oil comes out, there's your proof.
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Old 06-13-2013, 01:17 PM   #29
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how many of you are actually doing a tear down to see the difference? Drive your car like its made to be driven put good fuel in it, put good oil in it and go.
Take the money your spending on the catch can and use towards something you can feel, see or measure, just my two cents. Peace Brothers!
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Old 06-13-2013, 01:19 PM   #30
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how many of you are actually doing a tear down to see the difference? Drive your car like its made to be driven put good fuel in it, put good oil in it and go.
Take the money your spending on the catch can and use towards something you can feel, see or measure, just my two cents. Peace Brothers!
you can see and measure the oil and blow by that get caught in the catch can, instead of going into the intake manifold/crankcase...so many pictures of c5 members is evidence. how hard is that to understand? lol
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Old 06-13-2013, 01:51 PM   #31
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how many of you are actually doing a tear down to see the difference? Drive your car like its made to be driven put good fuel in it, put good oil in it and go.
Take the money your spending on the catch can and use towards something you can feel, see or measure, just my two cents. Peace Brothers!
Good fuel and good gas have absolutely nothing to do with the fact that oil sludge is building up on your valves. Good gas with cleansing agents will help, but not stop it.
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Old 06-13-2013, 02:28 PM   #32
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Old 06-13-2013, 04:29 PM   #33
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Here's one for you guys: All internal combustion engines are basically the same thing (air in, mixes with the gas and spark=controlled explosion). Why aren't people putting catch cans on their minivans? ALL internal combustion engines should have one then right?
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Old 06-13-2013, 04:58 PM   #34
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They do on the new 1LEs
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not true at all its a seperator and is installed for the oposite side of the catch can aka the clean side. catch can is for dirty side... goodjob for false info
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ok he was mistaken, no need for all the extra CHILL its all about learning, thanks for the update Good info
no.. its not ok... i got happy for no reason..


i had a catch can and then i didn't have one..




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Old 06-13-2013, 06:50 PM   #35
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ill be the first to post it,,,,waste of time and money.Also have to think in some states this would be considered tampering with the emission system I know in Washington it would.
Absolutely false, unless it is one where the system is disabled or rendered non functional such as a breathered can, open breathers on the engine, or mixing the clean and dirtyside together and venting.

The few good proven cans maintain 100% emission's compliance AND improve tailpipe sniffer particulate PPM (as less is trying to be burned from the catalytic converter).

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how many of you are actually doing a tear down to see the difference? Drive your car like its made to be driven put good fuel in it, put good oil in it and go.
Take the money your spending on the catch can and use towards something you can feel, see or measure, just my two cents. Peace Brothers!
I do...every day...7 days a week, day in and day out and have been doing this for over 38 years. I have also been involved in R&D and product development for a good part of this, am a former GM tech, and have years of relationships with engineers from GM/Ford/Chrysler and several European and Asian manufacturers.

I see it up close and personal every day.....here are a few pictures from techs from all over the world sharing what they see on engine tear downs of every make car & light truck, motorcycles, and 4 stroke modern outboards:

http://www.google.com/search?q=intak...w=2021&bih=875

Have tons of other pics in dozens of threads here so wont clog this one up with them, but DI or port injection, or old carbed....all benefit from stopping oil ingestion into the intake air charge.

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Here's one for you guys: All internal combustion engines are basically the same thing (air in, mixes with the gas and spark=controlled explosion). Why aren't people putting catch cans on their minivans? ALL internal combustion engines should have one then right?
We do. Nearly every make and model car and light truck (gasoline powered) as well as Harley's and other motorcycles.

Fleet owners are some of our biggest customers just for the fuel savings (A/C, plumbing, electricians, etc.) as they lease most and don't care about the engine life improvement.....they do it for the proven fuel savings. (on average 1-3 mpg times 50k miles a year equals a ton of savings). Some we have done this back 8-190 years ago and they have brought back 2-3 times the new fleets for installation.

So other than a 2 stroke that is lubricated internal with oil formulated to mix with the fuel and be burned clean, there are no vehicles that cannot benefit from this.

Also, for years the huge diesels in freighters and locomotives use systems like the Alfa Laval (tens of thousands and the use a centrifuge to purify and reuse the oil trapped)

http://www.alfalaval.com/solution-fi...g-modules.aspx

Lots more links, but this is nothing new...and yes, our local dealer who buys them to prevent (and has them on COMPANY chev trucks!) has seen trade ins where the can has not been emptied and if the owner is not going to know how to service/empty the can they remove them.

So, good questions and points....keep them coming, and if you want more pictures, or better yet, if near FL stop in and we will show you the effects on your own motor for free (boroscope to see internally).

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Old 06-13-2013, 07:46 PM   #36
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Am I understanding this right? Since the V6's are direct injected, a catch can is HIGHLY recommended, but for the SS's it's not as necessary?
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Old 06-13-2013, 08:09 PM   #37
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Here's one for you guys: All internal combustion engines are basically the same thing (air in, mixes with the gas and spark=controlled explosion). Why aren't people putting catch cans on their minivans? ALL internal combustion engines should have one then right?
As stated numerous times - while it's definitely beneficial for all engines, it's IMPERATIVE with direct injection because just like you said -- air doesn't mix with gas in a direct injected engine, the gas is sprayed directly into the combustion chamber and hence never flows over the valves - so all that awesome oil sludge buildup has nothing to help cleanse it off.


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Am I understanding this right? Since the V6's are direct injected, a catch can is HIGHLY recommended, but for the SS's it's not as necessary?
Pretty much -- changing what I said in my post awhile back, this applies to all of our cars:

1) Accept the fact that oil sludge is building up on your valves and rely on cleansing agents in the gas (ONLY applies to port injection engines IE the SS's and basically all GM gas engines prior to the LLT) and/or seafoam to clean the sludge off the valves (can apply to SS's and direct injection)

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2) Prevent the oil sludge from building up in the first place by buying an oil catch can

IMHO - regardless of direct injected or the older port injection method, an oil catch can is a great addition. With direct injected engines though, it's a MUST in my honest opinion.

I've put about 25,000 miles on my car since installing my oil catch can and the amount of oil I've drained out of it every time I change my oil is enough to make me a believer.
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Old 06-13-2013, 08:34 PM   #38
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Good fuel and good gas have absolutely nothing to do with the fact that oil sludge is building up on your valves. Good gas with cleansing agents will help, but not stop it.
if you have sludge you have bigger issues, im simply saying that for the average person driving there Camaro this will not give you any measurable difference in performance, youre better off driving it like you stole it
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