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Old 06-30-2009, 05:51 PM   #1
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To Clay or Not to CLAY?

After a long wait I'm finally picking up my Camaro Tomorrow I’ve meticulously inspected the vehicle, and the body feels like smooth glass. Is there any reason I should clay this vehicle now? I was thinking just Z-2 Zaino polish and hit with Z-6… What do think?
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Old 06-30-2009, 06:03 PM   #2
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well first off you should not touch your paint for at least three months. its still wet and fresh. you can was the car but no wax. also have no reason to clay the car maybe after 6 or 7 months of driving then clay.

example i barely tap my front garage door and where it touched the paint came off cause it was fresh. now picture waxing and clay baring. i will say i did put the spray wax on thats detailer and wax mix but lightly.


after all is said i am answering your question from the knowledge of a body shop owner who i am very cool with and showed him my car and also mentioned the same thing i am going to put a nice layer of wax on and everybody sad don't touch the paint for a good three months.
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well first off you should not touch your paint for at least three months. its still wet and fresh. you can was the car but no wax. also have no reason to clay the car maybe after 6 or 7 months of driving then clay.

example i barely tap my front garage door and where it touched the paint came off cause it was fresh. now picture waxing and clay baring. i will say i did put the spray wax on thats detailer and wax mix but lightly.


after all is said i am answering your question from the knowledge of a body shop owner who i am very cool with and showed him my car and also mentioned the same thing i am going to put a nice layer of wax on and everybody sad don't touch the paint for a good three months.
I'm not doubting what your bodyman said, but not sure if that's entirely true. A spayed finish at a bodyshop should not be touched or waxed until the paint is cured. A factory finish is baked on and can be waxed at the time of delivery. Most dealers wax the car before you pick it up, and even apply the plastic "protect o coat" sealer if you pay for it. A factory paint job can be treated very differently from a paint job at a bodyshop.

I'm sure others will chime in, but I don't think I'm wrong on this.
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I clayed my car as soon as I got it and the clay bar was full of rail dust, if your going to start the Zaino process do it the right way and clay the car first.

Im on coat 15 with Z5 and Z2, use the ZFX too cuts the cure time down to 10 minutes.

And 67 is correct the factory paint job is baked on so you can do as you wish to it.
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Yep, clay bar it as soon as you get it then seal that paint.
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I clayed mine when i got it and got nothing on the clay bar. . . nothing at all.
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Thanks for the help fellas. I'm thinking that if I clay the car, I'll have the same result as Franknbeans.... nothing at all on the clay. Isn't the clay just to remove grit.. How much really could have got on the vehicle.
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Thanks for the help fellas. I'm thinking that if I clay the car, I'll have the same result as Franknbeans.... nothing at all on the clay. Isn't the clay just to remove grit.. How much really could have got on the vehicle.
could be a lot more than you think...but it could be clean too...if you have the time then go ahead and do it
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Old 06-30-2009, 09:04 PM   #9
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Thanks for the help fellas. I'm thinking that if I clay the car, I'll have the same result as Franknbeans.... nothing at all on the clay. Isn't the clay just to remove grit.. How much really could have got on the vehicle.
It removes tiny contaminants. If you clay and you pick up stuff, then you got a cleaner car. If you clay and the bar is clean when you're done, well, you gave your arm some exercise and you've bonded with your car!
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Sounds like a work out. What the hell... long weekend coming up. CLAY it is. then Zaino polich, Zaino detailer.
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Sounds like a work out. What the hell... long weekend coming up. CLAY it is. then Zaino polich, Zaino detailer.
I'll "echo" the sentiments above; clay the car. It's truly very easy to do. Just make sure to lubricate the surface as you're claying.

I'd recommend;

1. Wash the car
(its not necessary to dry after the initial washing)

2. While the car is wet, I begin claying, spraying an area about 6" x 6" with a mixture of carwash and water solution, while moving the clay across the surface with minimal pressure. *Check the clay often for debris*

3. Wash the car after claying, and dry.

4. Begin adding coats of Zaino, not to exceed 3 coats in 24 hrs.

The biggest "time consumer" I find is the time needed for the polish to dry, but ZXF will quicken the drying time. As a rule, I generally allow 1 hr. between coats.

Its really not difficult as you'll find once you start.

Please let me know if I can help you along the process.

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I did a Dawn wash, Clay Bar, Zaino wash and 2 coats of polish in about 3 1/2 hours. I started at 8:30 in the morning and was done at noon. It was all pretty easy and actually relaxing.

I'm glad I took the time, the car looks great and I keep getting compliments.
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I'll "echo" the sentiments above; clay the car. It's truly very easy to do. Just make sure to lubricate the surface as you're claying.

I'd recommend;

1. Wash the car
(its not necessary to dry after the initial washing)

2. While the car is wet, I begin claying, spraying an area about 6" x 6" with a mixture of carwash and water solution, while moving the clay across the surface with minimal pressure. *Check the clay often for debris*

3. Wash the car after claying, and dry.

4. Begin adding coats of Zaino, not to exceed 3 coats in 24 hrs.

The biggest "time consumer" I find is the time needed for the polish to dry, but ZXF will quicken the drying time. As a rule, I generally allow 1 hr. between coats.

Its really not difficult as you'll find once you start.

Please let me know if I can help you along the process.

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I never heard this before to use water/soap with claybar (sure would make life easier). When I bought the mothers claybar it said to use spray detailer. Honestly its a PITA to clay bar doing the car that way, so just washing and not drying but using claybar instead sounds like an arm (and money) saving idea!
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I'll "echo" the sentiments above; clay the car. It's truly very easy to do. Just make sure to lubricate the surface as you're claying.

I'd recommend;

1. Wash the car
(its not necessary to dry after the initial washing)

2. While the car is wet, I begin claying, spraying an area about 6" x 6" with a mixture of carwash and water solution, while moving the clay across the surface with minimal pressure. *Check the clay often for debris*

3. Wash the car after claying, and dry.

4. Begin adding coats of Zaino, not to exceed 3 coats in 24 hrs.

The biggest "time consumer" I find is the time needed for the polish to dry, but ZXF will quicken the drying time. As a rule, I generally allow 1 hr. between coats.

Its really not difficult as you'll find once you start.

Please let me know if I can help you along the process.

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Thats a great help, I will be following these instructions
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I never heard this before to use water/soap with claybar (sure would make life easier). When I bought the mothers claybar it said to use spray detailer. Honestly its a PITA to clay bar doing the car that way, so just washing and not drying but using claybar instead sounds like an arm (and money) saving idea!
Actually Zaino does recommend using their spray detail as you clay.
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Actually Zaino does recommend using their spray detail as you clay.
Actually they recommend using car soap mixed with water but they say Z-6 will work though.

http://www.zainostore.com/Merchant2/...oduct_Count=20

2. To use Z-18 ClayBar™, you spray a water-based lubricant on a small area of your car and rub the bar back and forth with light to medium pressure. If the lubricant begins to dry, you'll need to spray more. Z-18 is fairly sticky, and cannot be used dry. If you try using it dry, you'll make a big mess. We suggest mixing one cap full of Z-7 Show Car Wash with water in a 16 ounce spray bottle. Z-6 also works as a lubricant for Z-18 ClayBar, but Z-7 Show Car Wash is much more cost effective.
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I never heard this before to use water/soap with claybar (sure would make life easier). When I bought the mothers claybar it said to use spray detailer. Honestly its a PITA to clay bar doing the car that way, so just washing and not drying but using claybar instead sounds like an arm (and money) saving idea!
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Actually they recommend using car soap mixed with water but they say Z-6 will work though.

http://www.zainostore.com/Merchant2/...oduct_Count=20

2. To use Z-18 ClayBar™, you spray a water-based lubricant on a small area of your car and rub the bar back and forth with light to medium pressure. If the lubricant begins to dry, you'll need to spray more. Z-18 is fairly sticky, and cannot be used dry. If you try using it dry, you'll make a big mess. We suggest mixing one cap full of Z-7 Show Car Wash with water in a 16 ounce spray bottle. Z-6 also works as a lubricant for Z-18 ClayBar, but Z-7 Show Car Wash is much more cost effective.


Well, it seem's you all discussed/answered the soap+water+spray bottle v. the detailer spray w/ clay debate/discussion.

I've found using the car wash+water just as effective as using the spray detailer, but being more cost effective.

Either way is fine. The important part is making sure the area where you're claying is well lubricated.
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Well, it seem's you all discussed/answered the soap+water+spray bottle v. the detailer spray w/ clay debate/discussion.

I've found using the car wash+water just as effective as using the spray detailer, but being more cost effective.

Either way is fine. The important part is making sure the area where you're claying is well lubricated.
The car wash+water is better as you don't have to dry the car first, as well you dont have to wipe it off each time. All that spray detailer becomes a mess after a while....
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As far as I know, the spray detailer is simply a lubricant when used with clay. It won't really make the car look any better than if clayed with soap and water. So soap and water is just a good way to go.
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keep the clay slippery, constantly knead it so you dont work the contaminents back thru the paint and scratch the hell outta it. dont try and use it sparingly so one jar lasts forever. more clay is cheaper than fixing something you scratched.
as far as factory clearcoat. i want you guys to realize something, when a car is painted aftermarket, it usually goes through a bake cycle of about 140 deg. F.
at the factory, i heard rumours that the cars are baked at double that since its only a shell, no electronics or fuel at this time. no interior to burn, etc. you get the point--factory paint is the hardest it will get.
unless your talking mercedes benz nano-ceramic clear, now that's a different animal altogether.
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I clayed our 5th Gen last week and found a few "dirty" areas to be the horizontal surfaces (the hood and roof). The sides were relatively free of debris.
A friend of mine came over with her 5th gen and we had a "girls day" detailing our cars before our husbands met us at the local Friday night cruise-in.
Her car was already very smooth, but the clay got up quite a bit of contaminants.
After claying and detailing her Cyber Grey Camaro with Zaino, the blue flake in the paint really "pops". She's now a believer.
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Gotta question, If I read correctly, wash the car, & either dry and clay with a detail spray or leave wet and clay as long as it is lubricated, correct so far? The question is do I have to wash again after I clay or can I go straight to waxing after the clay bar? Also I won't be using Zanio, it'll be marguairs (i think proper spelling, hopefully close enough). Thanks, never used clay to clean a car, used to just clean and wax. Oh, wait one more question, is it better to clay before the intial wax, or can I wax it and clay later on? I need to wash the car and I want to do it right, but I'm not sure if Ill be allowed the time to do as soon as I want.

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You must wash after claying to get the clay residue off the car and if you use the soap+water mixture there is a pretty good chance that the soap will dry on the car and you do not want to wax the car while leaving all that on the paint.

Clay before you wax. Waxing will seal in the dirt and grit you want to get rid of and rub it in further plus claying will remove the wax you put on so you will have to wax the car again anyway.
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Thank you & glad I asked, boy would I have messed that up!
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There shouldn't be any mystery to the clay process. Washing your car will remove surface dirt from the finish but it will not remove the embedded particulates. The best way to do that is with clay. Zaino recomendes a first wash with Dawn dish soap to thouroughly remove grease, oil and built-up wax. Then clay the car using Z-6 (car wash) and water mix as a lubricant to remove embedded particulates. Then wash the car with Z-6 to remove any clay particals and Z-6 left behind from the clay process. Now you have a clean surface down to the of the pores of the paint.You can now seal the absolutely clean surface with Z-2 or Z-5. You don't want to seal in rail dust, overspray, soap or dirt particals. Do this right the first time and you will have a perfect finish for the life of the car with only maybe 1 hour reapplying Z-2 or Z-5 every 6-12 months. Do it right once, invest 4-6 hours of your time, the first time and you too will become a believer. The best part is after you are done a simple wash brings it back to looking perfect again.
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