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Old 06-16-2013, 07:51 PM   #26
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Congrats! I know what you mean about the throttle response. It's probably worse on the auto than the LS3. It really feels like you have to push the pedal a lot in order for anything to happen. That's easily fixed with a throttle body and CAI. The stock L99 is in dire need of a good dyno tune, also. I'm sure the LS3 is a lot better out of the box. Enjoy!
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Old 06-16-2013, 08:02 PM   #27
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I had my V6 for 3 years and 50,000 miles (49,345) and yesterday I traded up to a 2SS/RS. I figured I'd post my honest review as it might be helpful to someone.

As far as the exterior goes, the cars looked comically identical when I arrived at the dealer. My signature is actually my V6 so you can see what I'm talking about. I was unwilling to give up my beautiful Euro meshs so I offered the dealer a deal, they could swap the SS's stock rims to my 6, and put my rims on the SS.

The real visual differences happened getting into the car. My 6 was a 1LT with just the RS package and a spare tire. So going to what appears to be a nearly fully loaded 2SS is a giant leap. My 1LT interior now seems quite incomplete in comparison. Leather seats, heated seats, leather wrapped steering wheel and shifter, bluetooth with steering wheel controls, door lighting, Boston sound, what a massive difference. I never needed any of these things, and was happy without them, but this is one of those once you try it you can't go back scenarios.

The SS handles the same, as it should. It does seem tighter than the stock V6 suspension but it is not a night and day difference. I had BMR springs on the V6 that will go on my SS when I get the chance, I imagine it will still handle the same.

The V6 brakes much shorter than the 8, I could tell that immediately. However the pedal feel is softer and mushy making it difficult to achieve precision without a lot of seat time. The SS brakes are more precise and the pedal feels stiff and thus more sporty.

Interestingly there is also a big difference in gas pedal feel, not necessarily power related. The SS requires you press the pedal slightly more to achieve more than about 5-10% throttle. The 6 doesn't have this sort of "deadzone." I'm assuming it must be a sort of safety feature on the SS because once you press that pedal far enough, the kraken is released.

This thing PULLS. The V6 LLT legitimately pulls you and your passenger into your seats. The V8 LS3 however smashes you in. The difference will put a huge smile on an enthusiast's face, no doubt. It really scares you at higher MPH because you really start to feel it pulling your body into the seat and you realize how insanely fast it can go. The 6 creeps up to higher MPH and gives you a chance to think about what you are doing, the SS DOES NOT.

So all in all, if you can afford it and you are a person who likes to go fast, the SS is your car.

I must say though, if you don't drive like you're in the fast and the furious and speed isn't too big a deal for you, the V6 is probably actually the better car overall. A loaded up 2LT RS should be just fine for the average driver. The SS is really for the person who tinkers with their car every weekend, who doesn't know how many times they've been to the track, or how many tickets they have gotten...



Best post I seen in awhile I went and test drove a ss and felt the same way you felt. It wasn't a needed upgrade for me. I don't go to race tracks and race and I have a 2LT. All I need and I enjoy it every day
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I had my V6 for 3 years and 50,000 miles (49,345) and yesterday I traded up to a 2SS/RS. I figured I'd post my honest review as it might be helpful to someone.

As far as the exterior goes, the cars looked comically identical when I arrived at the dealer. My signature is actually my V6 so you can see what I'm talking about. I was unwilling to give up my beautiful Euro meshs so I offered the dealer a deal, they could swap the SS's stock rims to my 6, and put my rims on the SS.

The real visual differences happened getting into the car. My 6 was a 1LT with just the RS package and a spare tire. So going to what appears to be a nearly fully loaded 2SS is a giant leap. My 1LT interior now seems quite incomplete in comparison. Leather seats, heated seats, leather wrapped steering wheel and shifter, bluetooth with steering wheel controls, door lighting, Boston sound, what a massive difference. I never needed any of these things, and was happy without them, but this is one of those once you try it you can't go back scenarios.

The SS handles the same, as it should. It does seem tighter than the stock V6 suspension but it is not a night and day difference. I had BMR springs on the V6 that will go on my SS when I get the chance, I imagine it will still handle the same.

The V6 brakes much shorter than the 8, I could tell that immediately. However the pedal feel is softer and mushy making it difficult to achieve precision without a lot of seat time. The SS brakes are more precise and the pedal feels stiff and thus more sporty.

Interestingly there is also a big difference in gas pedal feel, not necessarily power related. The SS requires you press the pedal slightly more to achieve more than about 5-10% throttle. The 6 doesn't have this sort of "deadzone." I'm assuming it must be a sort of safety feature on the SS because once you press that pedal far enough, the kraken is released.

This thing PULLS. The V6 LLT legitimately pulls you and your passenger into your seats. The V8 LS3 however smashes you in. The difference will put a huge smile on an enthusiast's face, no doubt. It really scares you at higher MPH because you really start to feel it pulling your body into the seat and you realize how insanely fast it can go. The 6 creeps up to higher MPH and gives you a chance to think about what you are doing, the SS DOES NOT.

So all in all, if you can afford it and you are a person who likes to go fast, the SS is your car.

I must say though, if you don't drive like you're in the fast and the furious and speed isn't too big a deal for you, the V6 is probably actually the better car overall. A loaded up 2LT RS should be just fine for the average driver. The SS is really for the person who tinkers with their car every weekend, who doesn't know how many times they've been to the track, or how many tickets they have gotten...
yup...v6 is totally the better car
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Old 06-16-2013, 08:13 PM   #29
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Old 06-16-2013, 08:39 PM   #30
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Good review. I upgraded after a year with the v6, but I did LOVE the v6. It is an amazing car. Just can't wait to get headers and a tune for my ls3. I'm excited for these new triple y header thing a ma bobs that people are talking about.
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Old 06-16-2013, 08:47 PM   #31
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I did the exact same thing at the 3 year mark. Loved my 2LT RS but decided it was time to trade up to the roar of the SS. That was a year ago and have no regrets on both owning my 2LT or trading up.
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Great review OP!

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Old 06-17-2013, 08:06 AM   #33
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To the original post, I would assume the starting dead zone on your new Camaro is the "Hill Assist". I had rental Toureg recently that had hill assist and I didn't like it one bit. I have 2011 2LT manual and thought hill assist would be nice, but not now.
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Old 06-17-2013, 11:14 AM   #34
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I had my V6 for 3 years and 50,000 miles (49,345) and yesterday I traded up to a 2SS/RS. I figured I'd post my honest review as it might be helpful to someone.

The SS handles the same, as it should. It does seem tighter than the stock V6 suspension but it is not a night and day difference. I had BMR springs on the V6 that will go on my SS when I get the chance, I imagine it will still handle the same.

The V6 brakes much shorter than the 8, I could tell that immediately. However the pedal feel is softer and mushy making it difficult to achieve precision without a lot of seat time. The SS brakes are more precise and the pedal feels stiff and thus more sporty.

Interestingly there is also a big difference in gas pedal feel, not necessarily power related. The SS requires you press the pedal slightly more to achieve more than about 5-10% throttle. The 6 doesn't have this sort of "deadzone." I'm assuming it must be a sort of safety feature on the SS because once you press that pedal far enough, the kraken is released.

This thing PULLS. The V6 LLT legitimately pulls you and your passenger into your seats. The V8 LS3 however smashes you in. The difference will put a huge smile on an enthusiast's face, no doubt. It really scares you at higher MPH because you really start to feel it pulling your body into the seat and you realize how insanely fast it can go. The 6 creeps up to higher MPH and gives you a chance to think about what you are doing, the SS DOES NOT.

So all in all, if you can afford it and you are a person who likes to go fast, the SS is your car.

I must say though, if you don't drive like you're in the fast and the furious and speed isn't too big a deal for you, the V6 is probably actually the better car overall. A loaded up 2LT RS should be just fine for the average driver. The SS is really for the person who tinkers with their car every weekend, who doesn't know how many times they've been to the track, or how many tickets they have gotten...
When I rented an identical SS (fully loaded like mine), I had the same experiences. You had to press it further down to get that 5% power but it was plenty.
The V6 has a delay, not a dead zone but the ported throttle body fixes that.

But you must respect SS's power. If are not used to that power and floor it, you will go from 15 to 50 mph in just 3 or so seconds. Gotta be able to react quick enough.

When cruising the streets, the SS behaved almost the exactly the same as the V6 but with a *feel* of less low range than I would have expected probably due to extra weight (dunno). Turning was ok to me.
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Old 06-17-2013, 11:36 AM   #35
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The throttle response is from the torque management that gm has in the tune for the v8s. If you get a tune that "lack" of low end torque disappears. The factory tune limits the amount of torque at lower rpms.

Night and day difference before and after a tune.
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Old 06-17-2013, 12:46 PM   #36
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i went from a 6 to the 1le. not feeling what you saw. I hit the gas, it goes. like a bat.
granted my 6 was a auto and this a stick.

for me the cost of the upgrade was way worth it. it took the pain of skipping the zl1 easier.
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Old 06-17-2013, 12:58 PM   #37
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Nothing wrong with the v6...its a great motor...but.....i feed my v8 regular, and average 22 mpg. Im getting 26 on hwy, and 18 city
You put 87 octane in your SS? Man, you're killing the entire experience.
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Getting around 18 mpg in the city and up to 30 mpg on the freeway
U are getting 30 mpg from the SS? At what speed, I assume not at freeway speeds
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You put 87 octane in your SS? Man, you're killing the entire experience.
Its fine with me...people over exaggerate the effects of 87...not to mention..everyone is gonna get 87 instead of the 93 they are paying for....trust me...it happens everywhere...all the time.
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Its fine with me...people over exaggerate the effects of 87...not to mention..everyone is gonna get 87 instead of the 93 they are paying for....trust me...it happens everywhere...all the time.
So all the talk of the fuse pull on here is just a myth? Unlikely. I'm not causing a fight or anything , I just don't understand why you'd buy an SS and run 87 in it all the time. If you're trying to save money, there are better alternatives. Why not just buy the V6 and save yourself a Hell of a lot more money there? Anyone else want to chime in here?
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I think he's saying that the gas stations are giving you 87 even though you're paying for 93. Could be...
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I think he's saying that the gas stations are giving you 87 even though you're paying for 93. Could be...
That is quite the conspiracy theory.
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That is quite the conspiracy theory.
Uhh...no its not. You would be surprised at how OFTEN it happens. And I didn't want a camaro with a v6....my v8 with regular makes me smile every time I step on the gas
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So all the talk of the fuse pull on here is just a myth? Unlikely. I'm not causing a fight or anything , I just don't understand why you'd buy an SS and run 87 in it all the time. If you're trying to save money, there are better alternatives. Why not just buy the V6 and save yourself a Hell of a lot more money there? Anyone else want to chime in here?
Nope...not a myth...just over exaggerated as far as the power is concerned. Its NOT 40 OR 50 HP.
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Not sure about the power losses, but I know that the engine will run better and make more power on 93, so that's what I use. Why risk harming the engine for an extra 30 cents/gallon? To each their own, I guess.
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Uhh...no its not. You would be surprised at how OFTEN it happens. And I didn't want a camaro with a v6....my v8 with regular makes me smile every time I step on the gas
I have no idea just how often it happens, but it does happen. There's a guy in my area that owns a chain of convenience stores who is famous for putting 87 in all three tanks. His logic was that very few cars actually needed high octane, most driver will never know the difference anyway and it maximized his profits. He did this for years and every time the state spot-checked one of his stations, he got fined. He didn't care about the fines because the higher profits more than paid the fines. He finally had to clean his act up after the state threatened to shut him down. Like I said in another post, If you're hung up on a particular brand or octane, you'd better make friends with the fuel truck driver, because only he knows what he actually loaded on the truck and what he dumped in each tank.
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I love my v6. I couldn't justify paying 10k more for under a 2 second difference 0-60.

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