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Old 07-01-2009, 06:37 AM   #1
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RATING HEADERS???

What makes headers so much better than others??? common since would say build qaulity just like anything else, but is it worth it to spend more on top brands such as ARH, Kooks or is the HP diff not that much diff??? Also do diff headers sound diff!!! This is something that I dont really have much expierence in as I have only owned a set of Hookers. I plan on getting ARH or Kooks.
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Old 07-01-2009, 08:06 AM   #2
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What makes headers so much better than others??? common since would say build qaulity just like anything else, but is it worth it to spend more on top brands such as ARH, Kooks or is the HP diff not that much diff??? Also do diff headers sound diff!!! This is something that I dont really have much expierence in as I have only owned a set of Hookers. I plan on getting ARH or Kooks.

To achieve the sound you want you have to combo the headers and the exhaust system for those tones. Have you considered Stainless Works? The Camaros that were starting up under and around the Tom Henry tent at Carlisle this past weekend were equipped from Stainless Works. Anyone who heard them can chime in with an opinion...I just happen to like the rumble it puts out on my Camaro.
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Old 07-01-2009, 08:13 AM   #3
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yes different brands have different sounds...
the cheaper ones use thin wall pipe...and the coated ones will eventually rust...
teh high end products are usually stainless so they don't rust/pit and on the older f-bodys usually fit better...
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Old 07-01-2009, 12:29 PM   #4
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ARH made 42rwhp/42rwtq on my L99 with tune. I'd have to say I'm pretty pleased. The sound is nasty @ WOT and quiet as stock when cruising at 75mph.
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To achieve the sound you want you have to combo the headers and the exhaust system for those tones. Have you considered Stainless Works? The Camaros that were starting up under and around the Tom Henry tent at Carlisle this past weekend were equipped from Stainless Works. Anyone who heard them can chime in with an opinion...I just happen to like the rumble it puts out on my Camaro.
STAINLESS WORKS is one of the best that you can get. KOOKS is also very good. Both of the companies have a good reputation with these LSx engines.
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Old 07-01-2009, 02:10 PM   #6
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What makes headers so much better than others??? common since would say build qaulity just like anything else, but is it worth it to spend more on top brands such as ARH, Kooks or is the HP diff not that much diff??? Also do diff headers sound diff!!! This is something that I dont really have much expierence in as I have only owned a set of Hookers. I plan on getting ARH or Kooks.
For me, materials and quality are at the top with performance. I'll only go with stainless (I prefer T304) because I've had really good luck with stainless and I know it'll last. I had some T409s on my LT1 (SLP shorties) and I painted them and they looked and lasted for more than 50K miles without problem until I traded the car. I had a set of mid-steel MACs on my LS1 at first, and painted them and didn't have a problem. I've had two sets of T304 QTPs and I just like the look, especially of the polished tubes. They don't stay pretty if you get oil on 'em, but no biggie. Stainless will likely last longer than most of the rest of the car, and coatings will eventually flake and peal. Stainless is more expensive but if you spend a little more the first time, there's a good chance you save money over doing it a second time.

I like to have choices when it comes to collectors and primary sizes. I like the companies you mentioned because they meet most, if not all of my criteria, based off of my understanding and experience.

Cost is an issue too, however, I'd rather pay $1200 once and not $500 and then another $1200 a couple years later when I realize I didn't get what I really wanted or expected.

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For me, materials and quality are at the top with performance. I'll only go with stainless (I prefer T304) because I've had really good luck with stainless and I know it'll last. I had some T409s on my LT1 (SLP shorties) and I painted them and they looked and lasted for more than 50K miles without problem until I traded the car. I had a set of mid-steel MACs on my LS1 at first, and painted them and didn't have a problem. I've had two sets of T304 QTPs and I just like the look, especially of the polished tubes. They don't stay pretty if you get oil on 'em, but no biggie. Stainless will likely last longer than most of the rest of the car, and coatings will eventually flake and peal. Stainless is more expensive but if you spend a little more the first time, there's a good chance you save money over doing it a second time.

I like to have choices when it comes to collectors and primary sizes. I like the companies you mentioned because they meet most, if not all of my criteria, based off of my understanding and experience.

Cost is an issue too, however, I'd rather pay $1200 once and not $500 and then another $1200 a couple years later when I realize I didn't get what I really wanted or expected.

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Well said brother!! Do it once, pay a little more and be done with it.
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Well said brother!! Do it once, pay a little more and be done with it.
I've been there - done that - and it was expensive. I hope people don't make the same mistakes I did
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just dont let stainless test drive you car after install. LOL
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Here at Hennessey Performance on the 2010 Camaro's, we have been very happy with the results of the American Racing Headers. We have been using ARH products on many of our models we work on including the Jeep SRT8, Challenger R/T and SRT, Cadillac CTS-V, Corvettes including ZR1 and now the 2010 Camaro.


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ARH made 42rwhp/42rwtq on my L99 with tune. I'd have to say I'm pretty pleased. The sound is nasty @ WOT and quiet as stock when cruising at 75mph.
wasn't that the best of a bunch of LT dyno runs vs. the worst of the stock runs.

I really don't like how HP numbers are just thrown around to make some products look better than the competitors... It should be average stock vs. average upgraded....
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What makes headers so much better than others??? common since would say build qaulity just like anything else, but is it worth it to spend more on top brands such as ARH, Kooks or is the HP diff not that much diff??? Also do diff headers sound diff!!! This is something that I dont really have much expierence in as I have only owned a set of Hookers. I plan on getting ARH or Kooks.
I haven't decided on a exhaust yet...but this is arh with stock muffler's
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just dont let stainless test drive you car after install. LOL
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Guys I'd very much be willing to work with some of you guys & do back to back engine & dyno testing with all the different header brands if you'd like. I personally have a few sets of ARH headers here & they are super nice! We also will have the Kooks here, and I will have our TSP header system here within a couple weeks! I'd be more than happy to work with you guys to get before & after of each header in comparison, but we'd need to get a few independent guys here at the same time. Maybe if I could find buyers for a set of the ARH, and Kooks headers ahead of time we could use them for testing on a test car prior to shipping them off to the customer. As a result of course I'd be willing to give them a good discount for us putting 4-5 miles on dyno time on they're headers!
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