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Old 08-16-2016, 03:02 PM   #1
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Track mods?

Howdy,

Pardon my ignorance on the subject. Happy to have recently acquired a gently used 2013 1LE (2SS, RS, and the dual exhaust thingy...)

I have read what I can find on here for mods, but hoping to hear more from the guys running track days with dual purpose street/track setups. For me leaning more to street than track.

I've read a bit and it seems like for regular track work especially in the Texas heat some minimum mods to consider would be:

-Catch can. PO included a GM/Chevy oil separator uninstalled, would this be adequate?
-Upgraded oil cooler?
-Upgraded tranny cooler?
-Brake ducting

Would be nice:
-adjustable Camber plates
-additional bracing/support? (tranny? any frame support necessary? better bushings in some areas...etc) Is this necessary? I don't want crazy race level NVH but I'm sure a better material and slightly higher durometer bushing could be an improvement in key areas.

I also want to consider some basic power adds with a safe for constant abuse tune. (I know adding power is generally not necessary for track day work, but it's for the fun of more power, not out of necessity)

From what I gather a solid 40whp can be had with:

-Long tube headers + high flow cats
-CAI
-Dyno tune

With up to 100whp gain (in total with the above) by adding a good set of heads (such as Trick Flow).

I imagine a good P&P on the stock heads, plus a decent cam is also a way to go...but maybe not as good as something like the TF. Comments?

Let's say best case, I go "all-in" (from my perspective) with Intake, Heads, and Headers, achieving somewhere close to +100whp. Would this be a reliable track day thing to do? The car doesn't need it, but I can't help but think that it can benefit from getting closer to 500bhp. LOTS of weight to hustle around. Of course with more power comes a bigger hit to brakes and the cooling systems and the tires.

Now I'm not certain I'll be running a lot of track days. I used to run several per year and some time trials but then I got into tracking motorcycles which is a whole different level of incredibly visceral experience. Bikes are also a lot cheaper to operate (unless you crash ) I haven't tracked a car in several years as a result. But...I want to at least do a few a year in this 1LE, because that's why I was stoked to get this package. It's made to run hard.

I've done some bolt on work myself in the past, but to be honest I'm just not that great at it. Sure I can save serious money with DIY. But with work and family time I can't turn wrenches for a weekend like I used to. With that in mind, I hope to find a good shop in the Austin area that won't kill me with rates and bs add on charges. I saw someone say good things about Aikman. Any other tips for a good shop for installs and tunes?

Thanks for your time.

-Kevin
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Old 08-16-2016, 03:03 PM   #2
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Also, are you replacing fluids with better than OEM?
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Old 08-16-2016, 03:05 PM   #3
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Howdy,

Pardon my ignorance on the subject. Happy to have recently acquired a gently used 2013 1LE (2SS, RS, and the dual exhaust thingy...)



-Kevin
Hi Kevin. For occasional track days (a few a year) the 1LE is awesome just as it is. Just bleed the brake fluid out to a DOT4 fresh for your track day and some track pads and you're good to go. It's a great track package. There are some guys on here running amazing times on some world class tracks with close to stock cars.
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Old 08-16-2016, 03:22 PM   #4
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Hi Kevin. For occasional track days (a few a year) the 1LE is awesome just as it is. Just bleed the brake fluid out to a DOT4 fresh for your track day and some track pads and you're good to go. It's a great track package. There are some guys on here running amazing times on some world class tracks with close to stock cars.
Thank you Thor. Great to know. I suspected as much, if I can avoid the modding sickness that I've had many times before maybe that's not such a bad thing. It's hard not to try to improve things but it can get out of hand.

In the past, I go from zero to angry gorilla driving all too quickly. The red mist. With that, I do have concerns about the brakes. I have every intention of driving sanely with progressive increments of pace and listening to the car when I need to back off a bit. But...you know what they say about good intentions. Seriously though I don't go crazy, but I push machinery pretty hard even when it's not best for lap times. Maybe I can brake just a little later and a little harder here...apply a little more throttle there on exit, etc.

I used to run my mazdaspeed3 (silly hatchback but great chassis) very hard, because it was easy to overdrive without much consequence. It was fun because it was so dominant against "faster" cars in mixed run groups on street tires. But after 2.5 max pace laps with nt01r's and upgraded brakes at a track like H2R, the brakes were done for a lap. I'm pretty sure I can't take the same approach with the 1LE. I'm getting older now so maybe I'll be more sane. Probably not.

Thanks for letting me ramble.
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Old 08-16-2016, 03:27 PM   #5
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My personal opinion (so far) is that the brakes are adequate but could be better, and the seating simply isn't designed for corner carving the rest of the car is capable of.

I'd say just take it as is to a track day, and you'll get a clearer picture of what you want to focus on.
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Old 08-16-2016, 03:36 PM   #6
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My personal opinion (so far) is that the brakes are adequate but could be better, and the seating simply isn't designed for corner carving the rest of the car is capable of.

I'd say just take it as is to a track day, and you'll get a clearer picture of what you want to focus on.

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You sound like the logical voice in my head that already told me this same thing

The dull roar of my other side gets in the way sometimes.
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Old 08-16-2016, 03:58 PM   #7
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Thank you Thor. Great to know. I suspected as much, if I can avoid the modding sickness that I've had many times before maybe that's not such a bad thing. It's hard not to try to improve things but it can get out of hand.

In the past, I go from zero to angry gorilla driving all too quickly. The red mist. With that, I do have concerns about the brakes. I have every intention of driving sanely with progressive increments of pace and listening to the car when I need to back off a bit. But...you know what they say about good intentions. Seriously though I don't go crazy, but I push machinery pretty hard even when it's not best for lap times. Maybe I can brake just a little later and a little harder here...apply a little more throttle there on exit, etc.

I used to run my mazdaspeed3 (silly hatchback but great chassis) very hard, because it was easy to overdrive without much consequence. It was fun because it was so dominant against "faster" cars in mixed run groups on street tires. But after 2.5 max pace laps with nt01r's and upgraded brakes at a track like H2R, the brakes were done for a lap. I'm pretty sure I can't take the same approach with the 1LE. I'm getting older now so maybe I'll be more sane. Probably not.

Thanks for letting me ramble.
seems like you drive like me. you have to be smoother, don't over drive the Brakes and Tires on this heavy car. Braided steel brake lines, Castrol brake fluid and proper pads, JPSS rear bar at least, fresh oil before track events like 10w30. I am now running 10w30 Amsoil Dominator since a race team that uses stock LS3s mentioned to me that Katech recommended 10w30.
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Old 08-16-2016, 04:30 PM   #8
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seems like you drive like me. you have to be smoother, don't over drive the Brakes and Tires on this heavy car. Braided steel brake lines, Castrol brake fluid and proper pads, JPSS rear bar at least, fresh oil before track events like 10w30. I am now running 10w30 Amsoil Dominator since a race team that uses stock LS3s mentioned to me that Katech recommended 10w30.
Smooth is fast. Knowing it and practicing it effectively are two different things in my world.

JPSS rear bar? A stiffer rear sway bar?

Lines/fluids/pads make sense. The basics.

Thanks all for your input.

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Smooth is fast. Knowing it and practicing it effectively are two different things in my world.

JPSS rear bar? A stiffer rear sway bar?

Lines/fluids/pads make sense. The basics.

Thanks all for your input.
get it with the ZL1 rear Bushings that's what I did not the regular SS bushing option. And honestly if you can't learn smooth is fast then you're going to have issues.
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I have not been been to track yet..too damn hot for me.. But i do plan to this fall.. my understanding from my many hours reading here..change the brake fluid to dot 4, get some hawk pads, quantum brake ducts would be nice...stainless brake lines and a track alignment would be a good start...catch can should go on anyway to keep intake clean. Got mine right away...and always start with fresh fluid.. engine,trans.,and diff..
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Best to run at least one track day with your car close to stock. It is a 2013 so I recommend a full brake fluid flush with Castrol SRF. It is expensive to start with, but with the highest wet boil point of any fluid on the market it literally never needs to be flushed again.

Again, being a 13, you may or may not need pads and rotors. You want at lest 60% of the original pad thickness before heading out to a track day. You should schedule an alignment as well. Change the engine oil and filter and you are ready to experience a 1LE on track.

It is a wild guess, but with COTA in your back yard, I imagine you'll be looking to run a Chin or similar track day event. Go easy and get a feel for the car and the track. Once you've run, there will be a laundry list of necessary mods and mods you just want.

There are a quite a few active track guys on this forum. They will all be willing to help if you ask for it.

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Old 08-16-2016, 09:13 PM   #12
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get it with the ZL1 rear Bushings that's what I did not the regular SS bushing option. And honestly if you can't learn smooth is fast then you're going to have issues.
Good to know. Does the car need more rear rotation? I haven't pushed the car anywhere near it's limits around here. As has been mentioned, I definitely need to take it out to the track as is (with appropriate maintenance done) and decide what it needs for me.

Yeah I'm probably exaggerating my lack of smoothness a bit. Started Autox back in...2004? Ran with the SCCA locally in DFW area. Some fast dudes there, and I was in SM class way under prepped. But once in a while I'd pax a top 3 finish in class (I ran street tires).

Ran some track days then got out of the game for a while. Then did a few dozen track days oh starting up in 2008 and a few time trials, then got into bikes, and have done a few dozen track days on bikes. Definitely can't be too ham fisted on a bike or you'll get hurt realquicklike.

I got out of the game in 2013, just in time to miss the track days at COTA. FML. Lived in San Francisco the past 3 years and now finally back to Austin, and will be back into the track hopefully before the season is over this year.

I did make it to: TWS, H2R, MSR-C, MSR-H, NOLA, Barber

Anyway my version of smooth, compared to a pro? Yeah no, I'm just keeping it real. There is a huge difference between a moderate/fast track day driver/rider and the really fast amateur guys nationally, and then the pros/aliens.

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I have not been been to track yet..too damn hot for me.. But i do plan to this fall.. my understanding from my many hours reading here..change the brake fluid to dot 4, get some hawk pads, quantum brake ducts would be nice...stainless brake lines and a track alignment would be a good start...catch can should go on anyway to keep intake clean. Got mine right away...and always start with fresh fluid.. engine,trans.,and diff..
Makes sense. Have you done any track days or just not with the 1LE? If none, man you're in for a fun time. If you're like most, you'll find it is immediately addicting. I'm a former track addict, and I'm looking for my next hit. I love the track. I'd live on one if I could.

I think I was looking for justification to do a bunch of unnecessary mods

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Best to run at least one track day with your car close to stock. It is a 2013 so I recommend a full brake fluid flush with Castrol SRF. It is expensive to start with, but with the highest wet boil point of any fluid on the market it literally never needs to be flushed again.

Again, being a 13, you may or may not need pads and rotors. You want at lest 60% of the original pad thickness before heading out to a track day. You should schedule an alignment as well. Change the engine oil and filter and you are ready to experience a 1LE on track.

It is a wild guess, but with COTA in your back yard, I imagine you'll be looking to run a Chin or similar track day event. Go easy and get a feel for the car and the track. Once you've run, there will be a laundry list of necessary mods and mods you just want.

There are a quite a few active track guys on this forum. They will all be willing to help if you ask for it.

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Awesome thank you. COTA is a great idea.

I might try to knock the rust off at H2R, the little local track here that I consider my home base.
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Old 08-17-2016, 08:28 AM   #13
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This is just my opinion and I'm not knocking anyone who wants to mod the crap out of their car to make it a track beast but I think way too many people start throwing money at their cars before their skill level has them driving the car at 100% of its capability.

Driver mod should be at the top of the list.
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Old 08-17-2016, 10:01 AM   #14
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Gotta echo what Thor said. I changed out my brake/clutch fluid for Motul 600, made sure my tires and OEM brake pads were good to go, and whipped up on it for the first year. Added some front and rear aero mods (wickerbill and splitter extension), and BK harness bar and Schroth ASM 4-point belts, and will add SS brake lines next. May monkey around with the brake pads, but for now am pretty happy with the OEM brakes performance at the level I'm running it. On the order list for camber plates, and will probably have the alignment adjusted to a more aggressive street/track set up this fall.

Otherwise, I'm working on my skills. The car as it comes is plenty ready for a novice like me running HPDE.
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