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Old 07-01-2009, 05:47 PM   #51
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for a car that has been hyped for three years i think it should be EXPECTED to sell better... if not that would be a huge fail.


because not everybody likes the camaro, because you don't have to pay over sticker for a mustang/challenger, because you don't have to wait half a year to get your car, because other people simply prefer the mustang/challenger.
not to mention they got theres and driving while most of us are waiting
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Old 07-01-2009, 05:48 PM   #52
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I would just love to buy the new Camaro but they won't built one for me 1-26 still 1100
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Old 07-01-2009, 05:56 PM   #53
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WOW Ford is holding STRONG!
compared to the imports, they're rocking and rolling... which is really good
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Thats great news! I think that sales are going to stay fairly strong as new options,colors and incentives start to come out.
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The are producing like hell, but at 25 work days in June, that is only 378 per day on average. Heard they were up to 450-480 per day. Hmmmm
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Old 07-01-2009, 06:15 PM   #56
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Any ideas on projected wait times? I'm sure this has been discussed in the past... I ordered my 2LT on Monday, and am waiting patiently for my VIN to be printed!

Is there any talk about production being ramped up? Is it a supplier issue?

Just curious.
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Why would anyone buy a mustang or challenger, when you can buy a 100 times better looking car like the NEW Camaro? I'm even surprise to see the mustang sales is still high!
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I'de rather them buy those than a honda,nissan,toyota,or any other import.
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Yea, great news although it also pretty depressing news, ordered back in Nov and still no car!!! ridiculous. Coming up on 25000 built and they still havent filled the preorders. That is just poor customer service. Hell thats NO customer service if you ask me. Had a supposed tpw of june 22. called and was told nope sorry wasnt built, why not I asked? dont know? what is the new tpw i asked? dont have one. just great.... well might get it in time to store for the winter, that is if I dont just say screw it... rant over...thanks for playing.....
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I'de rather them buy those than a honda,nissan,toyota,or any other import.
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wow, how is Ford still selling so strong??? where are all these people coming from?lol.
Their new design is not even that drastically different than the 05' model change facelift.......:/.....i don't get it.lol. why? except for i guess cost wise......*smacksforhead.*
and Dodge is just...........ya, being Dodge, shooting themselves in the foot overpriceing everything.....
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Actually, that's not many cars at all. 9,456 cars for the month of June (22 working days and does not include overtime or Saturday production) is only 429.8 cars per day. Based on the plant's designed capacity, they should be able to produce that per SHIFT at a 1 minute cycle time.
They are only running 1 shift at Oshawa, with a 400 vehicle per day target. They did, however, just schedule Satudays for production.
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Old 07-01-2009, 07:48 PM   #63
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this is great news. is this like the first time the camaro out sold the mustang? if so this could be the beginning of a beautiful thing. damn honda and toyota took a big hit.
i'm certain the f bodies outsold the mustang in the 80's and later 70's
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How can one expect the new camaro to sell better?
they built 9000 and sold 9000.

The Challenger fell on it's face.
I guess once the camaro came out it was dunzo.
That is a pitiful showing.
hardly worth building if that is all they are going to sell.

The G8 sold twice as many and it hasn't been built since january.
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How can one expect the new camaro to sell better?
they built 9000 and sold 9000.

The Challenger fell on it's face.
I guess once the camaro came out it was dunzo.
That is a pitiful showing.
hardly worth building if that is all they are going to sell.

The G8 sold twice as many and it hasn't been built since january.
exactly if they had the capacity to sell 15000...they would have sold 15000

wow the challenger fell flat on its face...any reasons? its a nice car and if there was no camaro i would have bought it
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Old 07-01-2009, 08:13 PM   #66
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Most of the mustang sales are to Hertz so the the disparity is really much higher. Does anyone know how many mustangs go to Herzt?
If you don't know the answer to this question how can you say that most sales are to Hertz?
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Sweet my Camaro was counted for June sales, way to do it!
I'm glad Ford is doing good too, as American cars need to be strong, I just hate the ugly mustangs.

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GM June Retail Sales Up 10 Percent Compared With May; 176,571 Total Deliveries Were Down 33.6 Percent Compared With A Year Ago

  • Retail improvements reflect increasing consumer confidence in GM’s long-term viability: Compared with May, 20 percent jump in cars, 13 percent boost in crossover deliveries
  • June was the fourth consecutive month-over-month retail sales increase led by core brands: Chevrolet, GMC, Buick and Cadillac which were up 6 percent collectively compared with May
  • Camaro launch momentum builds with 9,300 total sales; demand outstrips supply with an additional 10,000 sold orders to be filled; vehicle ends the month with less than a 7-day supply
DETROIT – General Motors dealers in the United States delivered 176,571total vehicles in June, down 33.6 percent compared with a year ago. However, when comparing GM’s June retail sales with May, volume was up 10 percent, or more than 13,000 cars, crossovers and trucks resulting in the fourth consecutive month-over-month retail sales increase.
“We’re pleased with our retail performance for the month, and it shows consumers’ strong attraction to our products – such as the Camaro, Aveo, Traverse, LaCrosse, Lucerne, CTS, DTS and STS – which all saw retail sales gains compared with May,” said Mark LaNeve, vice president, GM North America Vehicle Sales, Service and Marketing. “Customers are cautiously coming back into the market, although the industry remains very weak at approximately a 10 million SAAR (Seasonally Adjusted Annualized Rate). The reinvention of GM remains on track and we have compelling new offers in July, including 0 percent financing for up to 72 months available through GMAC and the Federal CARS (Car Allowance Rebate System) ‘Cash for Clunkers’ plan that encourages consumers to trade in their old car or truck for a new fuel-efficient GM product.”
Although GM retail sales were up in June, fleet sales of 32,725 vehicles were down 49 percent compared to a year ago, contributing to an overall sales decline of 89,366 vehicles versus June 2008. This drop in fleet sales was a direct result of a strategic decision GM made to schedule down weeks at a number of its plants to tightly control inventories and better enable GM dealers to reduce their stock of vehicles. GM total truck sales in June (including crossovers) of 93,458 were down 40 percent, and car sales of 83,113 were off 24 percent compared with a year ago.
When compared with May’s retail performance, there were several product highlights in GM’s core brands to note:
  • Chevrolet car retail sales were up 8 percent driven by Camaro and Aveo. Avalanche, Colorado, HHR, Equinox, Suburban and Traverse also saw retail sales increases with Chevrolet retail truck sales up 2 percent. Total Chevrolet vehicle retail sales increased 4 percent
  • Buick Enclave saw a retail sales increase, pushing its crossover sales up 5 percent. Buick retail car sales increased 17 percent with Lucerne up 21 percent and LaCrosse up 12 percent. Buick retail sales increased 11 percent
  • Cadillac car retail sales increased 16 percent with CTS, DTS and STS all pushing retail volume higher. Truck retail deliveries increased 3 percent as Escalade EXT and ESV both saw retail increases. Cadillac crossover retail sales increased 26 percent as SRX saw a retail sales increase too. Cadillac retail sales overall were up 14 percent
  • GMC crossover retail sales were up 2 percent, pushed by Acadia deliveries. Canyon retail sales were up 43 percent and Yukon XL retail sales increased 19 percent
“Our outstanding products continue to compete strongly in the market,” LaNeve said. “Camaro is the hottest product in America and probably led the sport segment with more than 9,300 vehicles delivered in June without any incentives. Additionally, we are offering the best selection of crossovers with Traverse, Acadia, Outlook and Enclave and we just announced very affordable pricing on the all-new GMC Terrain crossover. We invite consumers to visit dealer showrooms to shop and compare for themselves. We are confident they will be pleasantly surprised by the compelling designs, segment-leading fuel economy and outstanding value that our new cars, trucks and crossovers have to offer.”
A total of 1,454 GM hybrid vehicles were delivered in the month, illustrating the wide range of hybrid product offerings available. GM offers the Chevrolet Malibu, Tahoe and Silverado, GMC Yukon and Sierra, Cadillac Escalade, Saturn Aura and Vue hybrids. So far, in 2009, GM has delivered 8,349 hybrid vehicles.
GM’s four non-core brands saw total sales declines compared with a year ago as Saturn declined 60 percent; Saab was off 58 percent, HUMMER dropped 48 percent and Pontiac declined 16 percent.
GM inventories dropped compared with a year ago, and are on track to approach the half-million mark as planned. At the end of June, about 582,000 vehicles were in stock, down about 206,000 vehicles (or 26 percent) compared with last year, and are down approximately 33 percent compared with January. There were about 250,000 cars and 332,000 trucks (including crossovers) in inventory at the end of June. Inventories were reduced about 93,000 vehicles compared with May.
GM Certified Sales
GM Certified Used Vehicles, Saturn Certified Pre-Owned Vehicles, Cadillac Certified Pre-Owned Vehicles, Saab Certified Pre-Owned Vehicles, and HUMMER Certified Pre-Owned Vehicles, combined sold 31,660 vehicles.
GM Certified Used Vehicles, the industry’s top-selling certified brand, posted June sales of 27,446 vehicles, down 25 percent from June 2008. Saturn Certified Pre-Owned Vehicles sold 990 vehicles, down 15 percent. Cadillac Certified Pre-Owned Vehicles sold 2,624 vehicles, down 20 percent. Saab Certified Pre-Owned Vehicles sold 396 vehicles, down 53 percent. HUMMER Certified Pre-Owned Vehicles posted a gain with 204 vehicles sold, up 53 percent.
"GM's certified used/pre-owned programs provide tremendous value and added assurance to customers, and we remain positive about the market," said LaNeve. "Our Certified Used Vehicles offer the largest selection in the industry and strong factory-backed warranties, such as the 12-month/12,000 mile bumper-to-bumper warranty (whichever comes first). It's important that consumers understand we will continue to honor our warranty commitment at our national network of dealers on current and future General Motors Certified Used/Pre-Owned vehicles. Our warranties offer the peace of mind in purchasing a durable and reliable vehicle. As we move forward in this new chapter of GM, we will work to meet the needs of our customers, whether they purchase new or Certified Used and Pre-Owned vehicles. See your dealer for more details regarding our warranties."

GM North America reports preliminary June 2009 production; Q2 2009 production preliminary actuals at 394,000 vehicles
In June, the region’s preliminary actual production was 88,000 vehicles (52,000 cars and 36,000 trucks). This is down 253,000 vehicles or 74 percent compared with June 2008 when the region produced 341,000 vehicles (135,000 cars and 206,000 trucks). (Production totals include joint venture production of 12,000 vehicles in June 2009 and 16,000 vehicles in June 2008.)
The region’s 2009 second-quarter preliminary actual production was 394,000 vehicles (170,000 cars and 224,000 trucks), which is down about 53 percent compared with a year ago. GM North America built 834,000 vehicles (382,000 cars and 452,000 trucks) in the second-quarter of 2008.

Camaro sales: 9,320 units sold
Mustang sales: 7,632 units sold
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I would hope the Camaro would sell better at the moment. Years of pent up demand and the fact that new powertain upgrades come to the Stang in 2011 support this.
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Most of the mustang sales are to Hertz so the the disparity is really much higher. Does anyone know how many mustangs go to Herzt?
Umm, how about those rental Camaros posted on here?
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wow, how is Ford still selling so strong??? where are all these people coming from?lol.
Their new design is not even that drastically different than the 05' model change facelift.......:/.....i don't get it.lol. why? except for i guess cost wise......*smacksforhead.*
and Dodge is just...........ya, being Dodge, shooting themselves in the foot overpriceing everything.....
Because Ford's building some pretty kickass products like the new Fusion and Taurus. Fusion's a major competitor to Malibu (which GM better get the ball rolling on) and Taurus blows the Impala out of the water.

Bottom line: If GM wants to stay competitive in the family sedan market, they need to step up their game. Improve on the already successful Malibu and slap the Impala badge on a car deserving of it.
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Can you imagine how many more Camaros would have sold w/ incentives, MSRP--both pre-order and lot sales? Probably have ~15,000 more on order now(compared to 10,000).

And what if other plants got involved to keep up w/ demand..ca ching, baby$$!
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i'm certain the f bodies outsold the mustang in the 80's and later 70's
edit...model years

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http://bradbarnett.net/mustangs/time...7-68/index.htm

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http://www.camarosource.ca/php/camar....php?year=1967


now i expect the camaro to outsell the mustang for this year...as a lot of bent up demand...no camaro since 2002

the real test will be next year 2011 and the rebirth of the 5.0L mustang....

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