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Old 06-19-2013, 12:06 PM   #1
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Arrow Next Mustang to come in GT500, GT350, Mach 1 performance models

Looks like Ford has plans to have models to compete directly with both the ZL1 and the Z28. Their models will be called GT500 (or equivalent) and the GT350. A Mach 1 revival is also coming.

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Old 06-19-2013, 12:25 PM   #2
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Old 06-19-2013, 12:37 PM   #3
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Old 06-19-2013, 12:43 PM   #4
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Lets hope GM responds pretty early on in the 6th gen Camaro. Should be interesting to see how these cars develop over the next few years.
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Old 06-19-2013, 12:53 PM   #5
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This is good news for ALL muscle car lovers! Long live the muscle cars!



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Old 06-19-2013, 02:59 PM   #6
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I don't buy it. I see the lineup as follows:

Base V6
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SVT Cobra

There could be something between the GT and the Cobra, but it would be a special edition.
Why not? For the next gen, Shelby GT350 = current gen Boss. Makes sense to me. What makes less sense to me is having both an Ecoboost 4 and a V6.

I think the whole point of a V6 is because you can't afford the V8, so why not just make it an Eco 4 to begin with? The V6 is the redundant one in this lineup.
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Old 06-19-2013, 03:07 PM   #7
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Well, looking at that we can't really call the Mach 1 a Z/28 competitor. Just like you can't say the Z/28 is a Boss 302LS competitor. The LS was gone before the Z/28 and by the time the Mach1 comes out the 5th Gens will be getting replaced. There saying possibly 2017 for it, I would expect the next gen Camaros to be rolling out befor then.
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Old 06-19-2013, 03:45 PM   #8
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Old 06-19-2013, 05:38 PM   #9
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If you think the while point of a V6 versus V8 is cost, you have not been paying attention. It has a whole lot to do with CAFE standards.
Nope. CAFE standards apply to the entire lineup, not just one model line. Furthermore the Ecoboost 4 would be that fuel efficient alternative, thereby affirming that the V6 is redundant.
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Old 06-19-2013, 06:07 PM   #10
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I'm guessing the 350 will be the standard GT, and the Mach 1 will be the new Boss 302.
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Old 06-19-2013, 06:28 PM   #11
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Hmmm, it will be interesting to see if they can make a modern Mach 1 look as good as the ones I remember (early 70's).
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Old 06-19-2013, 07:18 PM   #12
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High fives and chest bumps for everyone!!!! Love them or hate them but anytime ford drops some badazz rides Chevy has to respond (although their late but atleast they do so) let's hope it's holds true for this next round...
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Old 06-19-2013, 08:43 PM   #13
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Hmmm, it will be interesting to see if they can make a modern Mach 1 look as good as the ones I remember (early 70's).
I seriously hope so, but I have doubts about the new body style they are going to use as a basis.
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Old 06-19-2013, 09:29 PM   #14
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There is no current generation Boss 302. They were a special run of two years, 2012 & 2013, to commemorate the '69 and '70 Boss 302. It was never intended to be a staple of their model lineup.

As Ford has stated, it is moving away from the retro-inspired Mustang formula, which is why I believe there will be no Gen6 model that carries Carroll Shelby's name, neither GT350 nor GT500. The top of the line Mustang will likely be branded, once again, a SVT Cobra. I doubt very seriously they produce a car intended to compete directly with the z/28. If they do, I would exect it to be a return to the Cobra R designation.

If you think the while point of a V6 versus V8 is cost, you have not been paying attention. It has a whole lot to do with CAFE standards.
There will be no resurrected Boss as it was limited to 2012/2013. There is talk of another Bullit but it is not confirmed yet as with the Mach 1.

Fords current CobraJet racer is more on the lines with the Z/28 or COPO. The CobraJet will be around through 2014.

The GT500 name will stay at least through 2015 as per Ford and Shelby America. There is an agreement to carry on that name brand.

The GT350 is strictly a Shelby American car, sold through Shelby America in Las Vegas....home of the Super Snake as well. There are no talks to increase production or build the GT350 in-house through Ford like the GT500.

Ford is concentrating on the GT, GT/CS, GT500 and base car right now. They will stick with the Coyote 5.0, Trinity 5.8 ( Ford is testing a twin turbo of this motor) and base 6 cylinder. The ecoboost (365 hp) will make it into a mustang most likely as a 2015 model, possible the base car.

Ford ( GM too) must pump out more fuel efficient econoboxes to meet the ever increasing CAFE standards in the future. The more small fuel efficient engines offered in model year cars, keeps us happy with the kind of cars we prefer.... big engines and high horsepower.


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Old 06-19-2013, 09:46 PM   #15
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..cool..so that's where the 'PILL' went..
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Old 06-19-2013, 09:54 PM   #16
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Hes on SVT a lot. Pretty "entertaining" to read his opinions lol
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Old 06-19-2013, 11:01 PM   #17
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Time will tell, but I'm going to say that nothing you stated will come true.
It's already happening with the GT500, GT350, CobraJet, GT/CS, GT and base Mustang. Those monikers will be around through 2015 and some beyond that. The current unknown is the Mach 1, and Bullit resurrection since the body of the mustang will change to a new global platform in 2015.

The GT500 is a Ford Mustang tweaked by Ford SVT (formerly SVE and SVO), with some parts and technology from Shelby. The SVT Cobra may or may not appear in 2016.....all depending on the business relationship Ford and Shelby have at that time. The information I have comes directly from Jamal Hameedi (Ford SVT) and Bob Lane (Shelby America). The Shelby America and Ford relationship is very important to both companies. The information your stating about with the GT500, GT350, SVT Cobra and Cobra R are incorrect.

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There is no talks about a Cobra R at all either. The Cobra R had always been a very limited production ( 200 roughly) Mustang tweaked by SVT for the track. The Cobra R's were produced only in 1993, 1995, and 2000. The SVT Cobras produced between the respective R years were developed from the technology of those cars. The R cars were developed and pushed by John Colletti (retired) former chief engineer of Ford SVE and SVT.

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2010 through current production GT500 is manufactured in-house by Ford because Shelby America could not handle the demand in their facility..these cars are given the normal VIN and no CSM number from Shelby. The 2007-2009 GT500 were produced in- house by Shelby American and received a CSM number (same as GT350 and GTS).

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Old 06-19-2013, 11:12 PM   #18
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2010 through current production GT500 is manufactured in-house by Ford because Shelby America could not handle the demand in their facility..these cars are given the normal VIN and no CSM number from Shelby. The 2007-2009 GT500 were produced in- house by Shelby American and received a CSM number (same as GT350 and GTS).

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This shows you know nothing. The 2007-2009 GT500s were produced in Flat Rock Michigan. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shelby_...d_Shelby_GT500
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Old 06-20-2013, 01:31 AM   #19
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This shows you know nothing. The 2007-2009 GT500s were produced in Flat Rock Michigan. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shelby_...d_Shelby_GT500
lol you beat me to it. That's just one of the things he's wrong about. I also thing that nothing he said will come true.

Also, the only thing that Ford uses from Shelby is the name.
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I stand to be corrected on the actual build location and CSM number issuance procedures for the 2007-2009 GT500. My apologies as the cars are/ were built in Flat Rock Michigan.
After further research and clarification, the cars were built and manufactured by Ford Motor and issued the Ford VIN. If the buyer requested the car to be sent to Shelby America directly from Ford for further modifications, the car was issued with a CSM in addition to the VIN. A CSM number can only be issued if the car was modified by the Las Vegas Shelby America facility.

Today, Ford does not send any car directly to Shelby America for any modification. The owner or dealer must get the car to the Shelby America facility for modifications on their own. There is a current 3-4 month wait on modifications.

The Super Snake, Shelby 1000, KR, GT350 are modified by Shelby America in Las Vegas. These will not be modified to the "monikered format" on a Ford assembly plant. I do not want to use the word "built" as all mustangs are built in Flat Rock.
The GT500 engines are built by two man teams on a niche line in Romeo, MI then sent to Flat Rock.

There are a "few parts" on the GT500 shared between Shelby Performance Parts assembled by Ford. Check out the Super Snake modification brochure by Shelby America. You will see that the Super Snake Conversion carries a credit for those cars with the factory Performance Package. Those shared parts are some suspension components for the performance package Ford factory build. There are only a few SPP components used. Cars are modified by Shelby America(SA) and parts are sold/ supplied by Shelby Performance Parts (SPP).Thought that should be clarified for you.

By far, you are correct that Ford has a licensing agreement to use the Shelby name on its Mustang line. Ford has collaborated with Shelby for some tech data in the building of the GT500. Ford uses the Shelby name on its top Mustang from a marketing standpoint because it knows the Shelby name will sell better than the SVT Cobra name.


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One additional clarification relating to your original posting:

The names Shelby, GT500, GT350, KR, Shelby 1000,
GTS are all licensed and trade marked through Shelby America. Use of some or all of the names are granted by agreement to Ford ( most likely just Shelby and GT500), Shelby Performance Parts ( a subsidiary of Shelby America and The Shelby Foundation. Other companies may have an agreement as well. The GT500 is the only car not "built" or manufactured by Shelby America..... Only the variants are "modified" by Shelby America.

The names Cobra, SVT, SVE and SVO, Mach 1, Bullit, CS or California Special and other names are licensed and trade marked through Ford.

As long as Ford and Shelby are in a business relationship ( at least through 2016) there will be a Shelby GT500 manufactured by Ford. If that business relationship ends, you will most likely see the SVT Cobra Mustang manufactured.

I do not know who owns the GT40 name today. I do not think Ford owns it. Ford named the Ford GT instead of naming it the GT40 due to a licensing issue in 2004.

As stated before, your information is incorrect.


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Lets hope GM responds pretty early on in the 6th gen Camaro. Should be interesting to see how these cars develop over the next few years.
GM has never responded early to anything.
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Old 06-20-2013, 12:23 PM   #23
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GM has never responded early to anything.

I dunno. they responded to the 2003 cobra by 2013.
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I believe torque managnent was killing us that night, when launching the car would take off and fall flat on it's face.
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Hes on SVT a lot. Pretty "entertaining" to read his opinions lol

he was pissed right off when stock zl1's were running 11.7 in the 1\4 and went on an internet tear about how they were cheating.
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Couple months ago we a few of us were at the track playing with one of my buddies 2010 Z06 automatic.Between 4 of us NO ONE was able to get out of the 12's.

I believe torque managnent was killing us that night, when launching the car would take off and fall flat on it's face.
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I don't buy it. I see the lineup as follows:

Base V6
SVO EcoBoost turbo-4
GT 5.0L V8
SVT Cobra

There could be something between the GT and the Cobra, but it would be a special edition.
This seems right. I feel like I read somewhere the Shelby name won't make it to the new generation, but that there may be a Boss or Mach 1 or something like that. But I don't know if Ford will offer a 4 cylinder and a V6 that I bet will be pretty equivalent in terms of HP and torque.
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