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Old 08-01-2010, 10:43 PM   #1
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Best Suspension for the $$$

So I'm looking for a suspension upgrade in a few weeks once my pay checks come in and I'm a little turned around about what to pay for.

I've herd good things about Eibach, Pedders, and Pfadt. However, I still don't know if one of these is the best or if there are other packages to consider. I know there are hopefully a lot of people in this same boat, so this is for all the guys considering cutting down on that body sway.

Post what you think is the best bang for the buck package, and what you think what the best package is regardless of the money.

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Old 08-02-2010, 05:16 AM   #2
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In my opinion, Eibach makes good stuff that is more than enough for most people but Pfadt is on another level. If you are looking to transform your Camaro's handling, Pfadt lowering springs, sport adjustable sway bars, and end links are an amazing combo at a very reasonable price point. The body roll and under steer that plague these cars will be things of the past. You could spend a lot more but this set up offers the best bang for the buck available as far as I'm concerned.

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i guess i'd have to ask what your goals and budget were before i could really give a recommendation on that. Best Suspension is a very broad term, and means different things to different people.

Let us know what your looking for a bit more specifically.
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Old 08-02-2010, 09:55 AM   #4
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Rob makes a good point,if the suspension your choose doesn't meet your goals it won't really matter which one you choose.
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Old 08-02-2010, 12:32 PM   #5
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Guys, you are doing it all wrong. You are supposed to run a partrs list and tell the OP to buy from me, buy from me, buy from me. How dare you ask the OP what he wants so you can help him get his car right for him.

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Yea. what do you plan to do with the car? Are you drag racing? Road track racing, auto x racing, or is it a daily driver that you just some more fun out of it? Each will improve your handling but they will be different cost associated with each.
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Put on the Pfadt sway bars and it made a huge difference. There drop springs are next.
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Our opinion as a company is that sway bars are the final tuning element. The lowest hanging fruit on a 5th Gen Camaro are the sub-frame bushes. Now that I typed this, if the OP just wants a lowered look what I typed is irrelevant.

Double G, tell us what you want your Camaro to do that isn't already doing.
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Old 08-02-2010, 03:49 PM   #9
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I think you guys are getting a little ahead of yourselves. haha All I'm asking is what is your opinion on what is the best suspension package for the Camaro for the money?
and Here if you need a price range lets say what's the best bargain for $1,200
-This would be for someone who drives their car normally, but like to have fun and autocrosses and road track races on occasion(maybe 10-20 times a year). What makes the most change for the money?

And I would like your opinion on what is by far the best for our own wonderful camaro's regardless of the price. What coil overs, bushings, sway bars ect. do you think are the best on the market?

Thanks for the replies guys. And I wanna hear some replies from some owners Speak up guys! haha
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Old 08-02-2010, 04:15 PM   #10
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well your not going to get coilovers in a decent package for less than $1200

here is what i would recommend:

Pedder's Track 1 kit: about $2200 for springs, lots of different bushings, sway bars, and end links (source: www.wretchedms.com)

Pfadt Racing Stage 3 Performance kit: about $2000 for springs, bushings, sway bars, and end links (source: www.pfadtracing.com)

BMR strut brace, trailing arms, toe rods, subframe connectors, tunnel brace, springs, sway bars, and total bushing kit: about $2000 (source: www.bmrfabrication.com)

all 3 are great companies, i personally have the pfadt springs and sway bars (cost me $800), but from what i have just shown, BMR has the best "bang for the buck" suspension upgrades; as you can see you can get a whole lot more with their products for the same cost as the others.

and i'm not going to rank them in any way because they are all great companies, but from what i have seen & read, you shouldn't be ordering any other suspension brand based on quality.
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Old 08-02-2010, 04:31 PM   #12
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Thanks RedJewel
and wow I'm impressed in the amount of time you pedders guys have put into the suspension

and yeah I think the coil overs are about $2,200?

that's a third of an STS Turbo! haha
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Thanks RedJewel
and wow I'm impressed in the amount of time you pedders guys have put into the suspension

and yeah I think the coil overs are about $2,200?

that's a third of an STS Turbo! haha
We are enthusiasts just like yourself, so it comes naturally.

I would like to say, i've lost count of how many people i've talked to that have done the power upgrades first, and the suspension later, and they have nearly all said they wish they had done the suspension first. The thing about power is that you can only use the power in small bursts for the most part, while fun, it's short bursts. While the suspension is something that you feel every second that you drive the car, and the improvement the suspension makes on the car is dramatic, and will make you able to use the power than you have now better.

With that said,
what Pete said, lol
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would just doing adjustable coilovers to lower my 10 ss be alright or should I do other things as well I don't bring it to the track or anything like that?
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That would be fine, many people have done coilovers only and been very happy.

if you had other funds free and wanted a couple idea's on what else would work well with the coilovers let me know
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Thanks RedJewel
and wow I'm impressed in the amount of time you pedders guys have put into the suspension

and yeah I think the coil overs are about $2,200?

that's a third of an STS Turbo! haha

There you have it! Pedders knows suspension!

Double G, I have an almost brand new Pedders 32mm Option C rear sway bar with custom welded gussets on the control arms. Pete set this up when i had my Justice package installed a while back. I just went with the ZL1 rear sway from pedders. I will make you a killer deal on it. Its $450 new. I will let you have it for A LOT less. With the custom welded lower control arms. PM Pete and he will tell you about it.
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they have nearly all said they wish they had done the suspension first. The thing about power is that you can only use the power in small bursts for the most part, while fun, it's short bursts. While the suspension is something that you feel every second that you drive the car, and the improvement the suspension makes on the car is dramatic, and will make you able to use the power than you have now better.

With that said,
what Pete said, lol
Rob makes an excellent point. I did a CAI and then went right for the suspension. I just had the Pedders Pace Car package done (Coilovers, bushings, sways) and the change in the car is unreal. Pete was awesome and huge help too. VERY happy with my Pedders setup, and the way the car handles now. I choose the coilovers since I wanted the drop but not the loss of quality. I also wanted the option to dial in settings for street or track. So far I am leaving it pretty firm even on the street, it's fun as hell in the curves!
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Rob makes an excellent point. I did a CAI and then went right for the suspension. I just had the Pedders Pace Car package done (Coilovers, bushings, sways) and the change in the car is unreal. Pete was awesome and huge help too. VERY happy with my Pedders setup, and the way the car handles now. I choose the coilovers since I wanted the drop but not the loss of quality. I also wanted the option to dial in settings for street or track. So far I am leaving it pretty firm even on the street, it's fun as hell in the curves!
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I think you guys are getting a little ahead of yourselves. haha All I'm asking is what is your opinion on what is the best suspension package for the Camaro for the money?
and Here if you need a price range lets say what's the best bargain for $1,200
-This would be for someone who drives their car normally, but like to have fun and autocrosses and road track races on occasion(maybe 10-20 times a year). What makes the most change for the money?

And I would like your opinion on what is by far the best for our own wonderful camaro's regardless of the price. What coil overs, bushings, sway bars ect. do you think are the best on the market?

Thanks for the replies guys. And I wanna hear some replies from some owners Speak up guys! haha
Double G,

What is the best bang for the buck is dependent on the usage and the owner / driver. If all the drivers were equal in skill and experience they would have different opinions. Take a read of the Z/28 threads. The opinion of the car runs from a Perfect 10 to Under- Featured Overpriced 0. Funny thing is, depending on how you use your Camaro they are both right.

Running road courses 10 times a year is an intense schedule. 20 times a year is HARDCORE.


Road Course Suspension Starter Package

Sub-Frame Bushes
Radius Bushes
Z Style Sway Bar Conversion
Full Alignment Bolt Kit

Sway bars are normally the final tuning element, but the change in geometry with the Z bar compared to the 2010 inboard mounted bar is enormous. Adjustable camber plates would be a must have so you can drive to the track on a tire friendly alignment, switch to a track alignment and then back to street. Are you really planning 10 or more track events a year?

If you have watched the development of the ZL1, 1LE and Z/28 you have also seen how closely the cars resemble Pedders development cars going back to 2009.

Pedders fits 305/30/19 to all four corners. Other suspension companies point and laugh. Oops. We beat them all at the OPTIMA Invitational. To make matters worse for them Chevrolet releases the Z/28 with 305/30/19s.

December 2009 Pedders fits CTS-V six pots to our developmental Camaro. In 2012 the ZL1 is released with CTS-V six pots.

The ZL1 is released with 25mm front and 28mm rear solid sways bars for optimum strength. With a front to rear differential of 3mm it is the most aggressive sway bar fitment from Chevrolet for the 5th Gen, but lags behind Pedders 27mm front and 32mm rear solid bars.

The 1LE is released with a 27mm front sway bar only three years after Pedders first released our 27mm front bar.

The 5th Gen is released and so are the aftermarket 'must have' strut tower bars. Pedders tells the C5 community there is no documented performance benefit to a strut tower bar. Not a single suspension company can document any performance gain. Car & Driver partners with an independent engineering firm with a four wheel shaker. The first article confirms Pedders position.

Last, but by no means least, Pedders has invited every brand suspension company to beat us in the OPTIMA Street Car Series. We tell them exactly how we built our Camaros, what the RWHP is, what the alignment is, what our spring rates are... Pedders has never finished behind any current generation Mustang, Challenger or Camaro at an OPTIMA event on a road course. NEVER.

Bang-for-the-Buck to me is being faster than the other guy. There is only one company that fits that description. What the other companies do is talk about being fast. I get tired of reading about engineering this or racing that when the only place we se them is in our rear view mirror. There will come a day when they man up and bring a car out that beats Pedders. When that day comes I'll tip my hat and say well done. Until that day comes, Pedders is the technology, performance and engineering leader for 5th Gen Camaro suspension.

What happens next is some of the vendors will complain about this post. What will they complain about? Pedders is bragging too much. Pedders posted the index to the Camaro Book. Pedders told everyone the truth about strut tower bars making it harder for me to sell them

There is a wealth of information in Pedders Book of 5th Gen. Take some time to read through it so you can make informed buying decisions.

Pedders 2010 Chevrolet Camaro Suspension Evaluation

Foundational 5th Gen Required Upgrades

Lowering Coils and Coilovers

Trouble Free, OEM Quiet V6 Lowering

Sway Bars

Suspension Bushes

ZL1 / CTS-V Brake Upgrade for the SS

Wheels and Tires

Bush Timing, Alignment and Torque Specs

Pedders USA Camaro 2.0

Lingenfelter L/28 Tech

5th Gen Wheel Hop and Drag Race Setup

Thermal Management

Running Changes Made to the 5th Gen by Chevrolet

Public Track Test #1

Public Track Test #2 Camaro vs. Mustang Supercar Shootout

2013 Strut Mounts, Pedders Coilover Pre-Compression and Ride Height Settings

Caution: Test driving any Pedderised vehicle can be dangerous. Pedderised vehicles have been known to induce suspension envy and sleepless nights filled with longing. Before test-driving any Pedderised vehicle, check with your banking and accounting professionals. Pedderised vehicles are known to induce credit card bills and reduced bank balances. There is no antidote. Only genuine Pedders can cure Suspension Envy.
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10-20 road course weekends a year is a pretty good schedule man. You would benefit from one of the better known brands are what i would recommend. Bang for the buck isnt what i worry about its more safety and predictability in the best product that will take the abuse.


The posts that Mr Pete has made alone makes me feel like I have a docotorate in engineering and a suspension guru. If you like Mr. Petes advice go with him!
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Bang-for-the-Buck to me is being faster than the other guy. There is only one company that fits that description. What the other companies do is talk about being fast. I get tired of reading about engineering this or racing that when the only place we see them is in our rear view mirror. There will come a day when they man up and bring a car out that beats Pedders. When that day comes I'll tip my hat and say well done. Until that day comes, Pedders is the technology, performance and engineering leader for 5th Gen Camaro suspension.

THIS!!!!

MOST important thing stated here IMHO! Im no Pedders fanboy nor am i a customer........yet but they are proving their product with track results so it seems to be a done deal!



On a side note Pete have you ever done any 1/4 mile testing to see what adding just suspension parts on a otherwise stock 5th gen would gain?
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I can say Pete knows his stuff.
I take my car to a road course a few times a year, and with Pedders parts, and Pete's help with alignment it handles as good as the Porsches in the corners and leaves them on the straightaways.
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THIS!!!!

MOST important thing stated here IMHO! Im no Pedders fanboy nor am i a customer........yet but they are proving their product with track results so it seems to be a done deal!



On a side note Pete have you ever done any 1/4 mile testing to see what adding just suspension parts on a otherwise stock 5th gen would gain?

Yes sir. We worked with Lingenfelter on their Black Pig. We replaced a brand-x set of drag coilovers with an off the shelf set of Supercars. The immediate result was a gain of 2/10s in the 60'. LPE is phenomenal to work with. Their years of drag racing and data collection are invaluable. We refined our Supercars into a finished product sold exclusively through Lingenfelter. The end result was a gain of 3/10ths over brand-x drag coilovers.
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Here's my theory. It doesn't matter if it's guns, cars, house work or anything.

1) Allowed or estimated budget.
2) Expectations from the money spent.

This typically works well for me unless I take an unexpected left hand turn changing directions in the middle of a project. I've learned over the years to buy the best that I can afford otherwise I end-up spending the money again upgrading parts (I hate spending money twice re-buying parts, but it happens). It's an individual thing, everyone has a different situation, budget, and expectation.

Sort of like the "need / want" struggle. Good luck to the OP
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