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Old 06-25-2013, 04:26 PM   #1
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GM Performance Cam

Hey is there a new GM cam for the LS3's supposed to be released soon? I forgot where I read about it and failed to find anything via the . Thanks in advance!
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Old 06-25-2013, 04:36 PM   #2
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I haven't heard anything about a "new" cam but they have been pushing the LS7 cam recently. They even have a CNC Heads Kit with the LS7 cam. Supposedly good for 40HP. You could do much better with many of the vendors in no particular order PCM, Jannety, Lingenfelter, etc, etc, etc.

I debate how much I expect to get from a cam or even better heads/cam swap... I believe 50hp is minimum for a cam and 70 for cam/heads... this is my opinion though.
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Old 06-25-2013, 05:51 PM   #3
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Thanks for the reply. I am not sure what I want to do...I love the night fury cam package. I am trying not to make my car a DD. If I do DD it then a mild easy GM cam will suffice I suppose. I dunno.
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Old 06-25-2013, 07:57 PM   #4
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If you do a DD. Look into the Lingenfelter GT11 cam with their CNC heads. PCM has a cam that looks promising I forget which brand of ported heads they like.

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I meant to add they both are marketed as being near stock idle and excellent driving manners with an emphasis on TQ.

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Old 06-25-2013, 08:13 PM   #6
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Avenger i think is the pmc cam that is most appealing. I've been waiting to see a good thread on a pmc setup.
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Old 06-25-2013, 09:42 PM   #7
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Maybe look into the "545" cam... http://www.pcmofnc.com/index.php/per...2x-050-114-lsa ... I think it's their newest.
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Old 06-25-2013, 10:47 PM   #8
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I have looked at all of them. They need to beat night fury to win. It's so hard to tell from limited dyno posts. I like their attitude and approach though. That's why i refuse to rule them out.
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I daily drive my car with the night fury cam with no issues.
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Old 06-25-2013, 10:52 PM   #10
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Yeah... I don't really care about driveability, but some do. I want torque. I don't race my car. NF has the best tq tabletop.
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Yeah... I don't really care about driveability, but some do. I want torque. I don't race my car. NF has the best tq tabletop.
Texas Speed offered to put their cam up against anyone's on the engine dyno. Where testing like that should be done. Do the NF cars ET and mph the better than any of the other cammed cars youve seen, same track DA?
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Old 06-26-2013, 10:52 AM   #12
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Texas Speed offered to put their cam up against anyone's on the engine dyno. Where testing like that should be done. Do the NF cars ET and mph the better than any of the other cammed cars youve seen, same track DA?
I agree, and they have done some side by sides for us (the LS9 vs LS3 debate for example) which I thought was pretty cool of them. Like I said though... I don't care how it does at the track. Not interested in high-RPM horsepower. I don't drive my car like that. PCM has a couple cams with healthy TQ that come on nicely at or a little before 3k RPM. That's what I like about all the charts I've seen on the NF too.

The obvious answer for someone like myself is to spec a cam to do what I want instead of buying off the shelf. I still enjoy discussing the off-the-shelf cams even though most of them aren't for me.
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Old 06-26-2013, 12:32 PM   #13
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A custom grind may be the best bet for someone wanting good TQ and driveability. But theres that other side of me that wants serious lope and screaming high RPM's lol
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Old 06-26-2013, 12:40 PM   #14
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What about the vvt3 cam for the l99 guys? I'm looking into it with the ale gears. Will those to combination work nice with each other?
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Old 06-26-2013, 12:41 PM   #15
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I mean the 1le gears.
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Old 06-26-2013, 12:51 PM   #16
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A custom grind may be the best bet for someone wanting good TQ and driveability. But theres that other side of me that wants serious lope and screaming high RPM's lol
I like the chop. You can still have a nice sounding cam without going crazy on the overlap. My solution would be something like 12-15* and try to get the rest of the sound from the tune. There's a hint of lope in my car with the stock cam. The pattern emerges occasionally.
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Old 06-26-2013, 01:20 PM   #17
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Lots of choices!!

We started off with the LG G6X3 years back....very hot cam. Very repeatable successes with it.

About 6 months ago, we started grinding a few of our own to offer a little variance in the "oh this is the best,no that is" debate.

Between our 235NA and the G6X3 cams I haven't been able to enjoy anything else when I compare them to anybody elses.

If I had to not choose one of those, Nick and the crew at Lethal put up a good fight with the NF.

There are packages to fit everybody's needs and budgets and they make consistent power and smiles!

Good luck and let us know if you need any help or have any questions at all!

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Old 06-26-2013, 01:43 PM   #18
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Thanks Ivan! I'll be in touch...
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Thanks Ivan! I'll be in touch...
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I agree, and they have done some side by sides for us (the LS9 vs LS3 debate for example) which I thought was pretty cool of them. Like I said though... I don't care how it does at the track. Not interested in high-RPM horsepower. I don't drive my car like that. PCM has a couple cams with healthy TQ that come on nicely at or a little before 3k RPM. That's what I like about all the charts I've seen on the NF too.

The obvious answer for someone like myself is to spec a cam to do what I want instead of buying off the shelf. I still enjoy discussing the off-the-shelf cams even though most of them aren't for me.
Thats my point, without seeing the NF cam dynoed on the engine dyno against the other cam(s), or an ET of some sort. Then you really dont know if it has a better tq curve, or comes in earlier or whatever. The first part of a dyno pull when data is initially being recorded, chassis or engine, can be very sketchy, and I have seen and had to sift through some bad info there. I personally would like to see all the cams hammered out on a good repeatable engine dyno, which will likely never happen. But, the important thing is that each person is happy with their own choice. I know i am....for now.
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Thats my point, without seeing the NF cam dynoed on the engine dyno against the other cam(s), or an ET of some sort. Then you really dont know if it has a better tq curve, or comes in earlier or whatever. The first part of a dyno pull when data is initially being recorded, chassis or engine, can be very sketchy, and I have seen and had to sift through some bad info there. I personally would like to see all the cams hammered out on a good repeatable engine dyno, which will likely never happen. But, the important thing is that each person is happy with their own choice. I know i am....for now.
Jason@TSP is probably the best bet for a test like that. I think he has to have the LS3 on the stand and the vendor has to send him the cam for that "We'll put our cams up against anyone elses" test. I doubt he would side-by-side and post about it without Lethal's support.

In any event... I'd love to see that too.
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Thanks for the reply. I am not sure what I want to do...I love the night fury cam package. I am trying not to make my car a DD. If I do DD it then a mild easy GM cam will suffice I suppose. I dunno.
If you already like the night fury, look into Lethal Racing's other cams, if it is too aggressive then move to a milder one.
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My deal is that I would like to find a cam that has good torque, basically stock driving manners, have some lope so you know it's cammed (nothing radical though), but be able to keep the stock springs.

From my understanding going with aftermarket springs means replacing them every 20k - 30k miles.

I wonder if that GM cam will all for stock drivetrain.
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My deal is that I would like to find a cam that has good torque, basically stock driving manners, have some lope so you know it's cammed (nothing radical though), but be able to keep the stock springs.

From my understanding going with aftermarket springs means replacing them every 20k - 30k miles.

I wonder if that GM cam will all for stock drivetrain.
Ivan - what do you have to support the above?
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