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Old 06-26-2013, 09:30 AM   #51
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I would have grabbed the 1LE over the RS package any day of the week. I would love a 1LE 1SS. It would be even better if they sweetened the pot and added a CAI like the z/28 for just a couple extra horses to make the 1LE stand out further. I've considered trading into a 1LE, but then reality kicks in and I can't justify taking a hit for hi po parts that will never get used. Heck, I don't even drive the regular SS like its designed to be. I can go a month and never have the car over 50 mph.
Have you seen this thread?

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1le is day oink typically way over stock. My guess is they are hand picking the best ls3s and putting them in the 1le.
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Old 06-26-2013, 09:37 AM   #52
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We had a 12' 45th Ann SS but sold it last year. Ordered the 13' in February and opted for the 1LE because we could. The 1LE pkg ticked the boxes we were looking for. Sift through the specs of the parts and it made perfect sense.

YES it does ride, drive, & handle better than our 12' SS!!

Worth it? YES 100% for us.
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Old 06-26-2013, 09:48 AM   #53
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I have wondered that as well.I know in my case i race mine, and do track days,which is what this car is designed for.I have never driven just the standard SS,in fact i was thinking today that i was going to contact my salesman and see if i could drive a used SS to see the difference. So if these are being bought to just drive on the street,i wonder what the draw is,dont get me wrong this car *ucking rocks,but i imagine the standard SS does as well.
When taking that test drive, take a 2012+ SS. They include the FE4 suspension.
I'm a road course/autocross/mountain road guy and when I first considered a Camaro in my price range, the test drive included a new 2LT and new 1SS. I based my purchase decision as much on the suspension difference as engine difference. In my opinion the 6 cylinder is a great engine but the FE4 suspension rocks!
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Old 06-26-2013, 09:57 AM   #54
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FE4 suspension with tweaks, a more aggressive rear axle gear, with ZL1 type wheels and tires makes this car much more a performer than a stock SS. It's all of that, a full mark above the stock SS.
They are not ZL1 Type wheels, they are the exact same wheels and sizes....The 1LE tires are the ZL1 fronts on all four corners (285s)

Why the hype for me?...After driving a 2010 supercharged Camaro SS on full Eibach suspension/sways, exhaust ect (Firebreather / not mine, I was asked to drive it) from NY to Vegas (Bullrun 2010) I said to myself I would never buy a Camaro.....Drove a 2012 SS in Arizona while on vacation...Again said I would never buy a Camaro. Test drove a 1LE after reading all of the reviews, I ordered one.

Why? I am a road racer/instructor for about 15 plus years. The stock SS suspension is subpar for the track with too much oversteer and the car feels sluggish and unresponsive. (on the track) The revised 1LE gearing (not much better overall ratios for straight line, but a better combination) make the car feel more spirited. The lighter ZL1 wheels (5lbs per corner) have a huge effect as the unsprung weight is reduced greatly. The steering effort with the EPS is great, the trans is solid. The changes to the steering wheel, shift knob and the rimless rear view mirror (all 2013) just make the car "feel" right and actually more spacious with the less obstructed view. The suspension is firm buts rides nice on the street and is more than adequate on a track (search my other posts). Add to the above that all 2013 LS3 are making more power to the wheels than the 2010 - 2013 cars (Mine made 396whp stock on a MD dyno) and it is a no-brainer at $3500

The reason I grabbed a 1LE over a Boss 302 was the cost and the numbers it will run on a road course. If it were not for a 1LE package I would be driving a Mustang.......

Now, I can't speak on changing from an SS to a 1LE as that is up to each individual owner.

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Old 06-26-2013, 09:59 AM   #55
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it has a COMPLETELY different suspension,looks smexy as hell, closer gears, with a higher final. looks smexy as hell,different power steering. different fuel pumps. i havnt even got it out of the break in stage. keeping revs and speed low, and its amazing. did i mention smexy as hell?

Let me know if Im wrong, but electric power steering is standard on all SS models as of 2013 right?
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Old 06-26-2013, 10:00 AM   #56
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What gives? From what I see around here everyone wants to 'upgrade' to a 1LE around here. Is your street driven SS so bad that your are destroying your tires and brakes at an excessive rate? Does the stock SS just not meet your standards of handling ability on the freeway entrance ramp? Also, you don't want to buy the tires for them very often.

I'm mainly just wondering why you would want to trade your street driven SS, or your SS that you drag race for a 1LE, it's a track oriented car. Does it ride better, can you really tell the difference on the street or do you just feel like you are driving an SS with more expensive tires and a flat black hood?

I can understand if you are an auto crosser or trading up from a V6 you may as well throw that package in I guess.
We test drove a 2SS with the manual transmission in 2011. We drove it some, and it seemed like a nice car. I was not impressed with the reviews of it, nor the handling, and just could not justify buying the car, getting rid of our WS6. When the 1LE came out, and the reviews on it were as good as they were, and the times it ran vs other equal and much more expensive cars were so impressive, we bought one having never even drove one. I will say this without any question.....the 1LE is the very best performing road / track car for under $40K. It is not a good drag car. It is a street /track car. If you want a drag car, buy an SS and save the money. If you want the best handling Camaro ever built (according to driver Randy Pobst), get a 1LE. It is drastically different than an SS (8 sec per lap at VIR)! And yes, I want that better handling everyday.
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Old 06-26-2013, 10:10 AM   #57
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Its not hype, apparently they are great performing cars, but for me 3,500 is way too much, as I dont like black wheels. The rest just isnt worth 3,500. Especially when I could spend 3,500 and get better aftermarket suspension parts.

Hell, I could take 3,500, buy a set of rims that I want for 1,500, and still make some really significant suspension upgrades.

Also, is the 1LE only for the manual cars, im shocked im just realizing this if it is? Then that really takes me out of getting it.
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Old 06-26-2013, 10:12 AM   #58
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Old 06-26-2013, 10:27 AM   #59
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Its not hype, apparently they are great performing cars, but for me 3,500 is way too much, as I dont like black wheels. The rest just isnt worth 3,500. Especially when I could spend 3,500 and get better aftermarket suspension parts.

Hell, I could take 3,500, buy a set of rims that I want for 1,500, and still make some really significant suspension upgrades.

Also, is the 1LE only for the manual cars, im shocked im just realizing this if it is? Then that really takes me out of getting it.
You could always sell the rims and tires for more than you paid for the 1le package and then buy the rims you wanted.

And no for 3500 you could not begin to touch the mods that have been done with aftermarket parts. Heck just the close ratio trans would be more. Yet alone the enitre parts list. Yes you can buy better parts but for a lot more than 3500.

For 3500 you get a track ready wel balanced car ready to go.
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Let me know if Im wrong, but electric power steering is standard on all SS models as of 2013 right?
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Its not hype, apparently they are great performing cars, but for me 3,500 is way too much, as I dont like black wheels. The rest just isnt worth 3,500. Especially when I could spend 3,500 and get better aftermarket suspension parts.

Hell, I could take 3,500, buy a set of rims that I want for 1,500, and still make some really significant suspension upgrades.

Also, is the 1LE only for the manual cars, im shocked im just realizing this if it is? Then that really takes me out of getting it.
Yes, only manual as real track cars are not automatics

$3500 too much? Hmmm A quality set of forged wheels will set you back at least $3500 with tires...The rest of the parts are freebies....If you don't like black there are many members that will pay top dollar for the wheels and tires. ($2K- $2500+ mileage depended)

It is a better car for the track than any SS on aftermarket rims and $2000 worth of suspension work. $2000 would only get you a set of quality aftermarket coil overs installed and aligned.

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Old 06-26-2013, 10:31 AM   #61
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So this thread =

-SS owners not understanding the hype cause they already have an SS.
-1LE owners defending their purchases.

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Old 06-26-2013, 10:37 AM   #62
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You could always sell the rims and tires for more than you paid for the 1le package and then buy the rims you wanted.

And no for 3500 you could not begin to touch the mods that have been done with aftermarket parts. Heck just the close ratio trans would be more. Yet alone the enitre parts list. Yes you can buy better parts but for a lot more than 3500.

For 3500 you get a track ready wel balanced car ready to go.
Well I know not the trans, I meant suspension wise. Id want an auto trans anyway. I was just saying this is why its not for me.


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Yes, only manual as real track cars are not automatics

$3500 too much? Hmmm A quality set of forged wheels will set you back at least $3500 with tires...The rest of the parts are freebies....If you don't like black there are many members that will pay top dollar for the wheels and tires. ($2K- $2500+ mileage depended)

It is a better car for the track than any SS on aftermarket rims and $2000 worth of suspension work. $2000 would only get you a set of quality aftermarket coil overs installed and aligned.

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Everyone has their reasons for manual vs auto, and most 1LE's will never be road raced to their true potential.

Its a daily driver, im not going to be pulling 1G on the way to work, I dont need forged wheels, I just need wheels that look good and hopefully weigh less than stock, which isnt hard to find.

I also do all my own work so I dont pay for things to be installed. Mother in law manages Nola Motorsports track so I can get free alignment.

Again, this is just my situation, and my reasons for not getting the 1LE package.

Im not arguing, it is a great package for a lot of people, just not good for me at all.

If I was really into road racing, Id end up replacing a lot of the 1LE suspension parts anyway. The car has a particular market, the OP should understand that.
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So this thread =

-SS owners not understanding the hype cause they already have an SS.
-1LE owners defending their purchases.

I think it comes back to what the engineers said when the package was introduced. The 1LE package is worth it to about 2% of the Camaro buying public. Those SS owners that do not get it woudl not choose the 1LE package if they were buying a new Camaro. To us that want it, it was money in the bank. To those that are happy with the standard car, and it gives them more than what they need, it is not a good purchase.
It is probably the same as the opinion on many options, like BA speakers, sunroofs, or NPP.
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Old 06-26-2013, 10:51 AM   #64
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I think it comes back to what the engineers said when the package was introduced. The 1LE package is worth it to about 2% of the Camaro buying public. Those SS owners that do not get it woudl not choose the 1LE package if they were buying a new Camaro. To us that want it, it was money in the bank. To those that are happy with the standard car, and it gives them more than what they need, it is not a good purchase.
It is probably the same as the opinion on many options, like BA speakers, sunroofs, or NPP.
Not exactly.... this has been misquoted and misunderstood often. Al said that the 1LE is for "the 2% that want to drive the car to the limit." Surely less than two percent of ALL Camaros see track time.... but maybe that is another thread.
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Old 06-26-2013, 10:58 AM   #65
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Old 06-26-2013, 11:01 AM   #66
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Just do a square setup with 275s and 1LE sways, gears and aftermarket bushings an im sure a 2010 SS manual will pace nicely with a 13/14 1LE
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Old 06-26-2013, 11:06 AM   #67
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Old 06-26-2013, 11:17 AM   #68
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I would not trade in my 2012 45th for a 1le. I'd be lucky to get 28k for trade in (which is not bad depreciation at all) but then I would be financing another 12k for the 1LE.

If there was a 1LE when i bought my car and I had the DD I now have (i didn't when I bought the SS) i would have a 1LE. I wasn't DDing a manual car.

I would of got the NPP exhaust and saved $1000 right there not having to buy aftermarket exhaust.
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Old 06-26-2013, 11:21 AM   #69
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The "its a great deal" sounds a lot like when people buy stuff they don't need just because "its a great deal." I am still saving for the Camaro (yes it has been a really long time :( ) but when I can finally afford it I will probably not get the 1LE. The only thing I would like would be the rims, other than that everything else would be pointless since I don't track the car.

BTW there aren't many reasons why some people get the 1LE other than because of the great deal thing. Its kind of funny.
Have you driven a 1LE and non-1LE back to back? You don't need to track the car to notice the differences. The transmission and more robust suspension (and for me, labor cost to switch and install) justify most of the cost.
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Old 06-26-2013, 11:26 AM   #70
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I'm pretty sure the quarter mile time is the same in the ss and the ss with 1le pack.
My Stock 1LE was exactly and consistently .5 quicker in the 1/4 than my stock SS
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Not exactly.... this has been misquoted and misunderstood often. Al said that the 1LE is for "the 2% that want to drive the car to the limit." Surely less than two percent of ALL Camaros see track time.... but maybe that is another thread.
How is that not what I said? I think it is a great deal because of what it lets me do with the car. I want the 1LE's ability on the street as well as when I ever get it to the track. I can promise, right or wrong, I will push our new car to my limit in certain applications. It may not be the car's limit, but the abilities of the 1LE will let me go further with my limits than a standard SS will, and thus the package was well worth the money.
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Nothing is wrong with what you said ... save this idea that 2% of Camaros see track time.... that just isn't so.... not even close.
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How is that not what I said? I think it is a great deal because of what it lets me do with the car. I want the 1LE's ability on the street as well as when I ever get it to the track. I can promise, right or wrong, I will push our new car to my limit in certain applications. It may not be the car's limit, but the abilities of the 1LE will let me go further with my limits than a standard SS will, and thus the package was well worth the money.
This I totally agree with and have experienced.
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smexy is what the 1LE is i dont know what that means,but it fits.
smexy is smart and sexy. so no, it really doesn't fit...
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Old 06-26-2013, 12:02 PM   #75
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Nothing is wrong with what you said ... save this idea that 2% of Camaros see track time.... that just isn't so.... not even close.
If that is how Al presented the 1LE package, it may have been a bit of "politically correct" speak. It would probably be bad business for Chevrolet to imply that this new Camaro would be bought by folks that would be "pushing the cars to the limits" on public roads!
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