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Old 06-28-2013, 11:33 AM   #126
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I ordered my 2014 1LE because I want something that can do track days, be good at the strip and nice to drive in which it does well. The package adds a bunch of good performance at a good deal, and it looks sweet too.
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Old 06-28-2013, 11:41 AM   #127
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They are not ZL1 Type wheels, they are the exact same wheels and sizes....The 1LE tires are the ZL1 fronts on all four corners (285s)

Why the hype for me?...After driving a 2010 supercharged Camaro SS on full Eibach suspension/sways, exhaust ect (Firebreather / not mine, I was asked to drive it) from NY to Vegas (Bullrun 2010) I said to myself I would never buy a Camaro.....Drove a 2012 SS in Arizona while on vacation...Again said I would never buy a Camaro. Test drove a 1LE after reading all of the reviews, I ordered one.

Why? I am a road racer/instructor for about 15 plus years. The stock SS suspension is subpar for the track with too much oversteer and the car feels sluggish and unresponsive. (on the track) The revised 1LE gearing (not much better overall ratios for straight line, but a better combination) make the car feel more spirited. The lighter ZL1 wheels (5lbs per corner) have a huge effect as the unsprung weight is reduced greatly. The steering effort with the EPS is great, the trans is solid. The changes to the steering wheel, shift knob and the rimless rear view mirror (all 2013) just make the car "feel" right and actually more spacious with the less obstructed view. The suspension is firm buts rides nice on the street and is more than adequate on a track (search my other posts). Add to the above that all 2013 LS3 are making more power to the wheels than the 2010 - 2013 cars (Mine made 396whp stock on a MD dyno) and it is a no-brainer at $3500

The reason I grabbed a 1LE over a Boss 302 was the cost and the numbers it will run on a road course. If it were not for a 1LE package I would be driving a Mustang.......

Now, I can't speak on changing from an SS to a 1LE as that is up to each individual owner.

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Old 06-28-2013, 11:53 AM   #128
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I do not own a 2SS; what I own is clearly in my sig. There is no "we"; you're by yourself. I don't really care what you drive and since your opinions offer nothing of any real conversational interest...I'll leave you to your meds, beer, weed...whatever the substance is you live in. Have a nice day.
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I believe his name says it all. He was satisfied (he thought) till the Z/28 appeared. Do not be fooled the ZL1 is a great Camaro!
I'm very satisfied and blessed. I'm content with the ZL1 and it is a great Camaro as well as the 1LE, SS and other trims respectively. The Z/28 is far superior in certain areas but not practical for me so I won't be owning one.
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Old 06-28-2013, 12:00 PM   #129
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I’m going to throw my two cents in. I have a 2010 with a few 1LE parts. Manly 1LE struts and shocks and 1LE Rear Toe Links. Once I put these one, what a big difference over the stock 2010 struts and shocks! They feel much stiffer the before and overall feels better. I like to drive my car much more then I did before! I think the 1LE is a very good upgrade but I do not feel that I need to trade in my car just to get a 1LE. You can buy most of the parts and add them yourself. It will be less than $3200 but not by too much I think.
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Old 06-28-2013, 12:05 PM   #130
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All I gathered from this awesome thread is:

Apparently A 1LE owner that does not autocross ='s poser

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Old 06-28-2013, 12:19 PM   #131
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You are an idiot dude, who would pay to replace the 6.2 with the 7.0?? 10k easy just for that motor
You're the idiot one here. Learn to read first. He meant upgrading FROM an SS. He didn't mean to swap his LS3 with an LS7
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Old 06-28-2013, 01:03 PM   #132
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You can basically think of the 1LE as a poor man's Z/28. It will have more ability than 90% of the drivers out there. It's a cornering/handling car for autocross and road course. It's a tweaked SS with a track pack; same idea as the Boss 302 Laguna Seca but better.
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I am not a poor man...I am a man that has a house, 3 cars, in state property, out of state property, 2 kids that will be going to college and two marriages to pay for in the future.....I am a wise man that purchased a 1LE so I am not a poor man in the future

The ZL1 is not what I wanted for a track day car nor is the SS....I was already having a hard time buying a 1LE because of the weight and the ZL1 is 300lbs more. After tracking my 1LE and driving a ZL1 on the same day I am very happy with my decision as I can see with a few $, tweaks and adjustments I can easily lap with a stock ZL1 and a few $ more pass many of them....(yes yes, the ZL1 owner can do the same but I am already $20K ahead)

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Old 06-28-2013, 02:35 PM   #133
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I could have waited a few months longer and spent a bit more and got a 1LE instead of my SS. I gave it serious thought. I ended up getting the SS because all I was looking for was a street car. I already have a fully dedicated race car, and I don’t have the time or money to run and maintain two track cars. I just couldn’t justify spending the extra $$$ for a track package on a car that I wasn’t going to track regularly. As a street car the SS suits me just fine.

That said I probably will end up tracking my SS once just to see what it will do. When I do it would be fun to have a 1LE to run with to quantify the difference.
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Old 06-28-2013, 02:56 PM   #134
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Cognitive Dissonance also known as buyer's remorse...

The 1LE is basically a really sweet suspension kit with sticky tires/rims(that I really like),better gear ratios and some cool exhaust features. Add all this up and what do you get?

A car that comes pre-installed with modifications. Fun.
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Old 06-28-2013, 03:17 PM   #135
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No Rage. Some of us "more sophisticated" individuals do understand that some prefer a non technological, and uncivilized throw back from the early 20th century.
I may have heard rumor that 2015 may come with a steam powered engine option and buggy whip steering to go with your purist manual trans.



All I got to say is bring that auto car to a road race and then say that.
Autos are great for lazy drivers
And people that just want to drag. But road racing I'll keep my gears.

And for daily driver draggers enjoy that big stall around town. No thanks.
Both technology's are viable but they both excel in different places.

One is just a far cry more dull to drive than the other. Lol.
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Old 06-28-2013, 04:04 PM   #136
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THIS ^^

Don't get me wrong, I'd love a z/28, but I personally don't mind dealing with the negatives that it would bring to the street. Keep in mind, I daily drove a 1997 Jeep TJ Wrangler until I got my SS in 2011. So I'm not big on creature comforts or a soft ride.

Make no mistake; the 1LE IS the best value around for a streetable daily driver that can tear the shit out of a racetrack right out of the box. It's also a wonderful base for future modifications.

If only it had been available in 2011
I did the switch. I spent the 2 or three days pulling mods off my '11 SS to get the 1LE.

That was kind of fun and I realized I liked my car better without some of the mods. I got a killer deal on a $7,000 more expensive car and I will sell most of my mods. Of course I left on most of the nylon bushings and the toe rods. All in all I am digging driving the stock 1LE and this time I will be more restrained about my mods. The slight interior upgrades, NPP, and Mylink, and the frameless mirror are all worthy upgrades besides very stable suspension dynamics, sticky tires and a better than SS shifter. (Not quite as good as my Barton though.)

I am thinking of buying the ZL1 wheel knock-offs and putting on some all season tires for the winter months. And I need to find a spot to keep my Goodyears warm over the winter. A pain, but how about 1.0G cornering off the showroom floor!

The 1LE is worth it. At least to me. And I thought it over for about a year.
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Old 06-28-2013, 04:09 PM   #137
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I am not a poor man...I am a man that has a house, 3 cars, in state property, out of state property, 2 kids that will be going to college and two marriages to pay for in the future.....I am a wise man that purchased a 1LE so I am not a poor man in the future

The ZL1 is not what I wanted for a track day car nor is the SS....I was already having a hard time buying a 1LE because of the weight and the ZL1 is 300lbs more. After tracking my 1LE and driving a ZL1 on the same day I am very happy with my decision as I can see with a few $, tweaks and adjustments I can easily lap with a stock ZL1 and a few $ more pass many of them....(yes yes, the ZL1 owner can do the same but I am already $20K ahead)

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You have wisdom and wisdom is a scarce commodity nowadays but still as valuable as it's ever been. Congrats. I used the term "poor man's" as a literary expression with the assumption that people today would still understand its context. But alas, like so many things that used to be 'common' knowledge that too appears to be slipping out of the consciousness of popular society. In fact I didn't even realize until yesterday while reading some of the details of the Tr-ay-von Martin case that cursive writing apparently isn't even being taught in schools anymore. (I had to use the - to disrupt the Tray-word because believe it or not the forum starred it out when I tried spelling it normally!)

All that being said, wisdom enabled you to buy the car that works for what you want to do. Which is exactly why GM offers the range of Camaros it does. While the ZL1 can do remarkably well on the track considering it's weight, the 1LE is the better track car. It may not have as much horsepower but for HPDE and autocross it's all about handling instead of horsepower anyways so the 1LE has the advantage in weight and handling.

In 1/4 mile the ZL1 has the advantage due to horsepower but for the price difference between a ZL1 and 1LE that can easily be offset with the right type of mods on the 1LE. For riding on the street? The ZL1 is king. That magnetic suspension makes it the king of comfortable rides. And it looks great.

The reason why I call the 1LE the "poor man's Z/28" is it will give you about 80-85% of the Z/28's ability at roughly half the price, so for the person who can't afford a Z/28 they needn't feel left out. While the 1LE won't hold up against a Z/28 on the track head-to-head, it will be more comfortable on the street, be perfectly usable as a daily driver, cost less to insure, probably get better gas mileage, and give 90% of the Camaro drivers virtually the same experience on the track as they would get in a Z/28.

The Z/28 is for that top 10% who have the money, the skill, the time, the means and desire to run in that zone. The Z/28 is going to have engineering features the 1LE doesn't because the Z needs it in the area it's running in. 90% of the Camaro drivers will never have the skill to push a car into that 10% zone. That kind of performance is expensive which is why the Z/28 is going to be the most expensive street-legal Camaro ever produced.

The 1LE is a terrific car right out of the box so for anybody who wants a great track car who's abilities exceed their own, and yet can comfortably do double duty as a street car, you can't beat a 1LE for the value/price. It's also a great starting point for those who like to mod and up the performance level, but even if you don't it's still a great car.

So for those who think they want/need a Z/28 to have a great track experience but are feeling left out because of the price...the 1LE is for you. Terrific bang for the buck there. And you can gradually mod it to fit within your budget to steadily increase its performance should you so choose. And you won't be spending $3,000 a weekend for tires and brakes the way the hardcore Z/28 crowd will be.

That's why it's a "poor man's Z/28"; not meaning it's only for the poor because at $40k it isn't, but in the overall scale of expenses you don't have to be rich to run it hard on the track compared to the cost of owning/running a Z/28.
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You have wisdom and wisdom is a scarce commodity nowadays but still as valuable as it's ever been. Congrats. I used the term "poor man's" as a literary expression with the assumption that people today would still understand its context. But alas, like so many things that used to be 'common' knowledge that too appears to be slipping out of the consciousness of popular society. In fact I didn't even realize until yesterday while reading some of the details of the Tr-ay-von Martin case that cursive writing apparently isn't even being taught in schools anymore. (I had to use the - to disrupt the Tray-word because believe it or not the forum starred it out when I tried spelling it normally!)

All that being said, wisdom enabled you to buy the car that works for what you want to do. Which is exactly why GM offers the range of Camaros it does. While the ZL1 can do remarkably well on the track considering it's weight, the 1LE is the better track car. It may not have as much horsepower but for HPDE and autocross it's all about handling instead of horsepower anyways so the 1LE has the advantage in weight and handling.

In 1/4 mile the ZL1 has the advantage due to horsepower but for the price difference between a ZL1 and 1LE that can easily be offset with the right type of mods on the 1LE. For riding on the street? The ZL1 is king. That magnetic suspension makes it the king of comfortable rides. And it looks great.

The reason why I call the 1LE the "poor man's Z/28" is it will give you about 80-85% of the Z/28's ability at roughly half the price, so for the person who can't afford a Z/28 they needn't feel left out. While the 1LE won't hold up against a Z/28 on the track head-to-head, it will be more comfortable on the street, be perfectly usable as a daily driver, cost less to insure, probably get better gas mileage, and give 90% of the Camaro drivers virtually the same experience on the track as they would get in a Z/28.

The Z/28 is for that top 10% who have the money, the skill, the time, the means and desire to run in that zone. The Z/28 is going to have engineering features the 1LE doesn't because the Z needs it in the area it's running in. 90% of the Camaro drivers will never have the skill to push a car into that 10% zone. That kind of performance is expensive which is why the Z/28 is going to be the most expensive street-legal Camaro ever produced.

The 1LE is a terrific car right out of the box so for anybody who wants a great track car who's abilities exceed their own, and yet can comfortably do double duty as a street car, you can't beat a 1LE for the value/price. It's also a great starting point for those who like to mod and up the performance level, but even if you don't it's still a great car.

So for those who think they want/need a Z/28 to have a great track experience but are feeling left out because of the price...the 1LE is for you. Terrific bang for the buck there. And you can gradually mod it to fit within your budget to steadily increase its performance should you so choose. And you won't be spending $3,000 a weekend for tires and brakes the way the hardcore Z/28 crowd will be.

That's why it's a "poor man's Z/28"; not meaning it's only for the poor because at $40k it isn't, but in the overall scale of expenses you don't have to be rich to run it hard on the track compared to the cost of owning/running a Z/28.
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Old 06-28-2013, 09:09 PM   #139
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I was never offended. My post are always with a smile on my face as that is why I come to visit the inter web, I leave the serious stuff at my office.

I enjoy passing people in my poor mans Camaro. The brand new ZO6 driver told his son as I was catching him "its only a Camaro....what is going on!" And after I got by I disappeared a few corners later. It woul be expected from a Z28.......not an SS badged 1LE .
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For me it was a matter of what is included. Just like choosing to add the RS package.

I was planning to get an SS, and I already had a list of some of the mods I wanted to make. Such as wheels, power coating the brake calibers, shifter knob, etc. Adding the 1LE package simply included all of that from the factory and saved me some money.

As with many of the 1LE owners, mine will likely never see a track. That doesn't mean it's not a good street car. From everything I've read from those that have driven both, the 1LE is the better handling/driving car...even on the street. So I don't see what is so hard to understand.
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Old 06-29-2013, 12:34 AM   #141
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Guys, Guys, Guys stop with the poor mans Z/28 that going to be my dam plate for my car . Stop giving people ideas.
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Old 06-29-2013, 12:40 AM   #142
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The 1LE package is quite nice and worth the $3500 or so. It took me a while to get used to it but I love it even normal city driving. What I do is look for the entries and exits to/from highways and gun it into the curves. Pure driving joy.
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Old 06-29-2013, 01:17 AM   #143
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The 1LE package is quite nice and worth the $3500 or so. It took me a while to get used to it but I love it even normal city driving. What I do is look for the entries and exits to/from highways and gun it into the curves. Pure driving joy.
Well said, and my opinion is that this applies to most of us who bought the 1LE. I'm happy with the upgrades and most of all that the upgrades have been professionally installed at the GM factory and are fully warranted.
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All I got to say is bring that auto car to a road race and then say that.
Autos are great for lazy drivers
And people that just want to drag. But road racing I'll keep my gears.

And for daily driver draggers enjoy that big stall around town. No thanks.
Both technology's are viable but they both excel in different places.

One is just a far cry more dull to drive than the other. Lol.
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I didn't know there was such a thing as "lazy drivers". Maybe if I got a pillow I could take a nap too. Gotta luv the I have to row gears to be a macho man rhetoric. I seriously doubt you've ever been on a road coarse. Cones don't count as it's pretty much a 2nd gear event anyway.
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I did the switch. I spent the 2 or three days pulling mods off my '11 SS to get the 1LE.

That was kind of fun and I realized I liked my car better without some of the mods. I got a killer deal on a $7,000 more expensive car and I will sell most of my mods. Of course I left on most of the nylon bushings and the toe rods. All in all I am digging driving the stock 1LE and this time I will be more restrained about my mods. The slight interior upgrades, NPP, and Mylink, and the frameless mirror are all worthy upgrades besides very stable suspension dynamics, sticky tires and a better than SS shifter. (Not quite as good as my Barton though.)

I am thinking of buying the ZL1 wheel knock-offs and putting on some all season tires for the winter months. And I need to find a spot to keep my Goodyears warm over the winter. A pain, but how about 1.0G cornering off the showroom floor!

The 1LE is worth it. At least to me. And I thought it over for about a year.
Good for you! I hope it is what you expected and more.
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I didn't know there was such a thing as "lazy drivers". Maybe if I got a pillow I could take a nap too. Gotta luv the I have to row gears to be a macho man rhetoric. I seriously doubt you've ever been on a road coarse. Cones don't count as it's pretty much a 2nd gear event anyway.
Actually I grew up road racing cars and bikes but nice try.
Texas World Speedway. Hallett, and many other southern courses and Road America, and Laguna Seca in other areas.
My car is being fully pedderized and setup for large course racing auto cross is new to me but liked it as well. I prefer both to drag racing.

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Actually I grew up road racing cars and bikes but nice try.
Texas World Speedway. Hallett, and many other southern courses and Road America, and Laguna Seca in other areas.
My car is being fully pedderized and setup for large course racing auto cross is new to me but liked it as well. I prefer both to drag racing.

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Thanks for confirming my thoughts. Your Camaro has never seen a road coarse.
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