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Old 06-26-2013, 12:16 PM   #1
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Would you retro package your 2SS to a 1LE?

Your friendly neighborhood Mutant Racer has some money coming my way and if you were me would you 1LE your 2SS for the track?

Yes?

No?

Hellafreakinyeah!

No way dummy the 1LE is a joke!


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Old 06-26-2013, 12:38 PM   #2
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I'd get the 1LE gears and possibly rims and tires. The suspension parts would be better if you went aftermarket.
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Old 06-26-2013, 12:40 PM   #3
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the 1LE is hands down the best bang for your buck car out there.

there are improvements in the aftermarket. the rear end is nice but the rest can be beat quite easily in catalogs like pfadt or pedders.
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Old 06-26-2013, 12:42 PM   #4
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I'd get the 1LE gears and possibly rims and tires. The suspension parts would be better if you went aftermarket.
Yep. Just get the 3.91 gears and aftermarket everything else.
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Old 06-26-2013, 12:46 PM   #5
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Has GMPP released the 1LE track pack yet?
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Old 06-26-2013, 01:09 PM   #6
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Ok cool fellas, I will keep things simple and go mostly aftermarket.

I was thinking gears, ZL1 wheels, and do the truss rod for the shits and giggles.

Should I also go aftermarket for brake lines?

My Camaro will definitely be tracked for road courses.

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Has GMPP released the 1LE track pack yet?
That's what the guy from the dealership told me. Can't say for sure if that is 100% accurate though.
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Old 06-26-2013, 01:18 PM   #7
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I may be wrong, but I am pretty sure that the transmission in the 1LE has different ratios to counter that 3.91 gear that you would be so quick to put in..basically 1st gear would be useless with the current 2SS ratios and 6th would be like 5th.
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Old 06-26-2013, 01:23 PM   #8
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I may be wrong, but I am pretty sure that the transmission in the 1LE has different ratios to counter that 3.91 gear that you would be so quick to put in..basically 1st gear would be useless with the current 2SS ratios and 6th would be like 5th.
I know people that installed the Vette ZR1 clutch to go with the 3.91 gears. I saw one on the dyno that when it was punched in 4th the power was total shock and awe.

I have to do plenty of homework on this stuff but my guy also mentioned there is different short throw on the 1LE's from the people who have the Hurst factory short throw.
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Old 06-26-2013, 01:26 PM   #9
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I may be wrong, but I am pretty sure that the transmission in the 1LE has different ratios to counter that 3.91 gear that you would be so quick to put in..basically 1st gear would be useless with the current 2SS ratios and 6th would be like 5th.
The ratios are different but it won't make 1st useless. On an auto it would, but not a manual.
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I know people that installed the Vette ZR1 clutch to go with the 3.91 gears. I saw one on the dyno that when it was punched in 4th the power was total shock and awe.

I have to do plenty of homework on this stuff but my guy also mentioned there is different short throw on the 1LE's from the people who have the Hurst factory short throw.
Different name, same throw reduction.
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Old 06-26-2013, 01:30 PM   #11
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If I wanted a 1LE... I would get a 1LE.
If I wanted a ZL1... I would get a ZL1.
If I wanted a Vette... I would get a Vette.

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Old 06-26-2013, 01:34 PM   #12
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Why would you retro it when you've already paid for the upgrades?

I mean, all it has that you would really want is the bang for the buck but you've already spent it so..lol Kinda moot at this point.

I'd say the Brakes, Wheels, and Gears would be about the most you'd want out of it.

Or just go trade "down" to one and make out better.

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Old 06-26-2013, 01:34 PM   #13
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You can see most of my mods in my sig and have a lot of the what the 1LE has in aftermarket. I still have OEM wheels which is my biggest weak point now but I just think they are better looking over the 1LE or ZL1 wheels.

I've had 3.91 gears for a good year or so now. I can tell you by no means does it render a M6 useless. Quite the opposite. It runs WAY better from street light to street light. Does it take away some of your top end.....yes a little....but not like you would think. At 55mph I lost 200 RPM. Its still very drivable on the highway and actually around town I now use 6th gear a lot more than I used to. The 3.91 gears are awesome in an M6 and I would never go back to 3.45.
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Old 06-26-2013, 01:36 PM   #14
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BTW: as for brakes, yes, change out to stainless lines and some good DOT 4 fluid and you'll be good to go.

Get a clutch fluid separator as well.
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Old 06-26-2013, 01:38 PM   #15
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Why would you retro it when you've already paid for the upgrades?

I mean, all it has that you would really want is the bang for the buck but you've already spent it so..lol Kinda moot at this point.

I'd say the Brakes, Wheels, and Gears would be about the most you'd want out of it.

Or just go trade "down" to one and make out better.

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Brakes are the same, just red right?

Unless ur talking about lines or something
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Old 06-26-2013, 01:42 PM   #16
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Brakes are the same, just red right?

Unless ur talking about lines or something
The lines make the real difference so yes, just swapping the lines would be better.

And yes, you are correct as well. But the red has to make them better right? LOL.

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Old 06-26-2013, 05:29 PM   #17
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Why would you retro it when you've already paid for the upgrades?

I mean, all it has that you would really want is the bang for the buck but you've already spent it so..lol Kinda moot at this point.

I'd say the Brakes, Wheels, and Gears would be about the most you'd want out of it.

Or just go trade "down" to one and make out better.

Good luck!
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Well that what I need you guys for. I've owned heavily modded cars in the past but I bought them modded. This is my first time getting my hands dirty and doing things part by part.

I have some spec sheets and supposedly the new one for the 1LE track pack.

The ZL1 wheels I'm getting a deal on. The 3.91 gears I need. The truss rod is just well I might as well. I never believed they ever actually did much for a car, just looks.

Currently I'm looking at....

Stainless Racing Brake lines from Apex.

DBA 4000 front and rear rotors from Maryland Speed.

Pfadt lowering springs or I might just go with coil overs (I'm twisted on that one).

I have BMR Sways but want a bigger bar on the rear. Maybe ZL1? Or Pfadt?

I can't make heads or tails over sub-frame connectors. Perhaps you guys can give the 411 on that.

I need axles.

Engine Mounts and subframe bushings.



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Old 06-26-2013, 06:26 PM   #18
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I think the sub frame connectors on this car are not that big of a deal. Suspension mods that you should do would be trailing arms, cradle bushings, diff bushings. Coil overs are going to be alot better than just springs but you pay for it. I'm not real keen on the handling side of things for this car but sway bars might help and I think the 1LE has better sways than a SS if I'm not mistaken. The 3.91 gears are going to need a tune so might as well get a good CAI and Long tube headers to go with that tune. For the money I like aftermarket wheels like the TSW Nurburgrigs's or Forgestar wheels over true ZL1/1LE wheels.
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Old 06-26-2013, 07:11 PM   #19
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I have ZL1 wheels, BMR 1 inch drop springs and sway bars and it made a huge difference in my car's ability to move around. I'm assuming it's pretty similar to the 1LE now. But I'm also thinking of the gears but only due to the fact that I went with at TSP 231/236 cam with CAI, headers and catback... It's a whole new animal now but I'm only thinking of the gears to help with driving around town.. Bucking and surging at low rpms..
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Old 06-26-2013, 07:25 PM   #20
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Aside from the rear sway bar geometry and trans ratio my car is essentially a 1LE, but more power (see sig). I have carefully selected my mods to create a car that does everything very well. There are faster setups or better handling setups, but like the 1LE it is a great DD.
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Old 06-26-2013, 09:25 PM   #21
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Would I make my SS a 1LE? No, its an SS. But simply modding it to make it better, yes.
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Old 06-26-2013, 11:59 PM   #22
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Would I make my SS a 1LE? No, its an SS. But simply modding it to make it better, yes.
Yeah there are plenty of 1LE parts to pick and choose from, some of which I can get a nice deal on. Doing the whole 1LE setup would not be cost effective on a 2SS already on the street.

Some of the vendors around here need to have their heads pulled out of their asses. When a prospective customer is about to spend solid money on mods and Ivan the Special chimes in like he owns Camaro5 then this place becomes a joke. Talk about a stupid move.

I'll spend some time at the track talking to real drivers.
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Old 06-27-2013, 03:39 PM   #23
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There are so many quality aftermarket parts out there that are better than e GM stuff. I will say, the 1LE ring/pinion is dirt cheap compared to others. As for brakes and suspension, I'd go aftermarket.
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Your friendly neighborhood Mutant Racer has some money coming my way and if you were me would you 1LE your 2SS for the track?

Yes?

No?

Hellafreakinyeah!

No way dummy the 1LE is a joke!


Your thoughts?
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Well that what I need you guys for. I've owned heavily modded cars in the past but I bought them modded. This is my first time getting my hands dirty and doing things part by part.

I have some spec sheets and supposedly the new one for the 1LE track pack.

The ZL1 wheels I'm getting a deal on. The 3.91 gears I need. The truss rod is just well I might as well. I never believed they ever actually did much for a car, just looks.

Currently I'm looking at....

Stainless Racing Brake lines from Apex.

DBA 4000 front and rear rotors from Maryland Speed.

Pfadt lowering springs or I might just go with coil overs (I'm twisted on that one).

I have BMR Sways but want a bigger bar on the rear. Maybe ZL1? Or Pfadt?

I can't make heads or tails over sub-frame connectors. Perhaps you guys can give the 411 on that.

I need axles.

Engine Mounts and subframe bushings.



Let me scan these papers so you guys can see them.
I can work out a great package deal for many of these items if you are interested. Feel free to call, PM or email me with questions.

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