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Old 06-28-2013, 09:16 PM   #51
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Tremor huh?? Do big worms chase it all the time or something?
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Old 06-28-2013, 10:23 PM   #52
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Oh, that's right...the power of a V-8 with the efficiency of a V-7.9, for the cost of a V-10. Makes sense.





I can count on one hand how many Lightnings I've seen on the road in the last 10 years. So either everyone who bought one either scrapped them already, or don't care to ever drive them.

They may have been quick in a straight line, but they were heavy, inefficient, handled nothing like sports car, and didn't have near the capability of a regular truck. They were in all categories a compromise...a quintessential example of trying to do all things at the same time, and ending up doing no single thing particularly well.

I restate my earlier argument. Trucks do not make good sports cars. Ford had the right idea with the SVT Raptor. If you are going to make a high performance truck, make it excel specifically at doing truck things, not mediocre at doing sports car things.

Raptor does truck things? Flying across bumps is not a truck thing that is a Baja thing. The Raptor sucks at towing I had to endure the bounces of that "truck" suspension for over 500 miles one trip and never again.
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Old 06-28-2013, 10:26 PM   #53
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Raptor does truck things? Flying across bumps is not a truck thing that is a Baja thing. The Raptor sucks at towing I had to endure the bounces of that "truck" suspension for over 500 miles one trip and never again.
Well, yes, actually. If what you are looking for in a car is a cushy ride for long highway trips, an F-150 Raptor is probably not the best choice. An Impala would be wiser.

That was my point. If you want the driving characteristics of a car, you don't want a truck.
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Old 06-29-2013, 06:27 AM   #55
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Old 06-29-2013, 08:53 AM   #56
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Oh, that's right...the power of a V-8 with the efficiency of a V-7.9, for the cost of a V-10. Makes sense.





I can count on one hand how many Lightnings I've seen on the road in the last 10 years. So either everyone who bought one either scrapped them already, or don't care to ever drive them.

They may have been quick in a straight line, but they were heavy, inefficient, handled nothing like sports car, and didn't have near the capability of a regular truck. They were in all categories a compromise...a quintessential example of trying to do all things at the same time, and ending up doing no single thing particularly well.

I restate my earlier argument. Trucks do not make good sports cars. Ford had the right idea with the SVT Raptor. If you are going to make a high performance truck, make it excel specifically at doing truck things, not mediocre at doing sports car things.
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Really? What capability of a real truck were they lacking again? I agree, a truck is not a sports car, and should not try to be. I would say a ponycar built on a sedan platform shouldn't try to be a sportscar either, but they still do it and people buy them.
You have to remember the towing abilities were not what they are today. a tow rating over over 6000 pounds was close enough to what a regular truck could tow at the time it was useful, lets look at performance stats.

The slower 99 model from motor trend. 0-60 5.6, 1/4 mile in 14.1@96, 131 ft 60-0 (remember it is 99 and this is inline with a lot of cars), No handling numbers in this test though.

2001 0-50 5.5, .87g on the skidpad (eclipsing a number of performance cars of the day, 59.2 skidpad, again comparable to cars of the time. The thing is, being a truck, it did ride rough to get those times.

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...g/viewall.html

Finally they had an 03 Lightning do 0-60 in 5.2 and the 1/4 mile in 13.7, unfortunaltly the short paragragh on Motor Trends website didn't go ino anymore detail.

For it's time it was right in line with performance cars, hauled and towed like a light truck, and they sold everyone they could.

Also just because you don't see many on the roads now does not mean they weren't a success, when they were on the market they were everywhere. I don't see many early 90s Tauruses on the road either, but i know they sold as many of them in a few months as the lightning did it's whole production run.
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Old 06-29-2013, 09:33 AM   #57
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this is going to be a 13.5 truck.. anyone know what a Ram regular cab 5.7 does?
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Old 06-29-2013, 09:47 AM   #58
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this is going to be a 13.5 truck.. anyone know what a Ram regular cab 5.7 does?
LOLOL, maybe 14.5....... 09 plus 5.7 hemis have run 13.9 (very rare base models with 3.92s) to 14.4 with the old 5 speed auto, with the 8 speed ZF and he slightly more powerful hemi for 14 should be even quicker.
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Old 06-29-2013, 10:21 AM   #59
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all GM has to do is put the 6.2 in an RCSB and they'll have the quickest little truck out there by far! but they wont.
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I believe torque managnent was killing us that night, when launching the car would take off and fall flat on it's face.
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Old 06-29-2013, 10:21 AM   #60
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this is going to be a 13.5 truck.. anyone know what a Ram regular cab 5.7 does?

lol no.
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I believe torque managnent was killing us that night, when launching the car would take off and fall flat on it's face.
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Old 06-29-2013, 10:48 AM   #61
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all GM has to do is put the 6.2 in an RCSB and they'll have the quickest little truck out there by far! but they wont.
And Dodge just needs to put the 6.4 in the Ram 1500 to kill that Too bad they just want to tease us with it.

http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2...sema-show.html
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Old 06-29-2013, 01:59 PM   #62
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The F150 Tremor was introduced years ago..
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All I can say GM is behind in the truck market, as in performance section. And who thinks trucks are not meant to perform you guys are NOT a truck nut lol I built my own 800rwhp Denali and loved whooping these vettes cobras vipers on the highway!


GM should build a 6spd manuel RCSB with either a 6.2L or a nice boosted 5.3L now that would be a sick truck!
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Old 06-29-2013, 02:30 PM   #64
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And Dodge just needs to put the 6.4 in the Ram 1500 to kill that Too bad they just want to tease us with it.

http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2...sema-show.html

nope. dodges truck 6.4 has less power than gm's 6.2.
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Old 06-29-2013, 02:30 PM   #65
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Couple months ago we a few of us were at the track playing with one of my buddies 2010 Z06 automatic.Between 4 of us NO ONE was able to get out of the 12's.

I believe torque managnent was killing us that night, when launching the car would take off and fall flat on it's face.
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Old 06-29-2013, 03:59 PM   #66
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First they come out with the Raptor. Then at the auto show where Chevy reveals their new trucks they debut the Atlas and completely overshadows the new GM trucks. And now this!!! Wake up GM truck department.
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nope. dodges truck 6.4 has less power than gm's 6.2.
What are the numbers for the GM 6.2L? Pretty hard to beat the 470hp and tq of the 6.4L
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Old 06-29-2013, 04:12 PM   #68
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GM already has an answer to this. 6.2 Silverado. 405 horsies man. The L9H is an L99 no afm and bigger injectors to run E85.

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As soon as the warranty is up I'm sticking a Maggie on it.
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LOLOL, maybe 14.5.......
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lol no.
so a stock F150 can run 14 flat, this one will weigh less and have more aggressive gears... do you guys know something I don't? how do you know that this truck won't run a 13.5 stock?

I own an Ecoboost F150 and with simple tune and bolt ons they're running high 12s.. here's a heavy crew cab with a 93 octane tune running 13.6


lets face it, Ford took all the wind out of GMs sail at the Detroit Motor Show with the release of the Atlas... GM's response was to make another 5.3 engine and then debate that it's a "new" 5.3
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so a stock F150 can run 14 flat, this one will weigh less and have more aggressive gears... do you guys know something I don't? how do you know that this truck won't run a 13.5 stock?

I own an Ecoboost F150 and with simple tune and bolt ons they're running high 12s.. here's a heavy crew cab with a 93 octane tune running 13.6


lets face it, Ford took all the wind out of GMs sail at the Detroit Motor Show with the release of the Atlas... GM's response was to make another 5.3 engine and then debate that it's a "new" 5.3

a stock f150 ecoboost usually run 15 flat, not 14 flat.
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What are the numbers for the GM 6.2L? Pretty hard to beat the 470hp and tq of the 6.4L
the new 6.2 is 420 hp 440 ft'lbs of torque. the 6.4 in the ram is 410\429.
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a stock f150 ecoboost usually run 15 flat, not 14 flat.
this means you're trying to invalidate my statement by using an assumption of your own
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this means you're trying to invalidate my statement by using an assumption of your own

you go ahead and believe whatever makes you happy.
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you go ahead and believe whatever makes you happy.
thanks for letting me know I can believe what I want..
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