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Old 06-30-2013, 01:20 AM   #85
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... can't beat the output these motors put out
Except with all the Gen V GM V8s, a good many of the current gen V8s, Ford's own 5.0L V8, and Chrysler's Hemis.


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I think in my opinion, Ford missed the mark on the MPG factor and critics are making a field day out of it, otherwise... where is the fail...
It's right in your own post. That the entire purpose of all that extra cost and complexity, and increased potential of large repair bills down the road was all in the name of fuel economy, and it did not deliver the fuel economy. That is the fail.
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Old 06-30-2013, 01:27 AM   #86
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Try and tell the Ford fanbois here that.
I'll agree. No replacement for displacement. (Though you could argue that a turbo is just a special form of displacement, if you really think about it).

I've driven EcoBoosts, and I agree with the statements many have already made about a lack of low-end grunt. I was not at all impressed (disappointed in fact given all the hype) with the lower end of the 3.5 EcoBoost torque curve. The 5.0, all the GM LS engines I've had a chance to drive, and even the older 4.6 3-valver felt stronger down low.
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Old 06-30-2013, 04:49 PM   #87
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I've driven EcoBoosts, and I agree with the statements many have already made about a lack of low-end grunt. I was not at all impressed (disappointed in fact given all the hype) with the lower end of the 3.5 EcoBoost torque curve. The 5.0, all the GM LS engines I've had a chance to drive, and even the older 4.6 3-valver felt stronger down low.
420 tq @ 2500 rpm? how is that "lack of low end grunt"?
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Old 06-30-2013, 05:40 PM   #88
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420 tq @ 2500 rpm? how is that "lack of low end grunt"?

that is mid range grunt
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Old 06-30-2013, 05:44 PM   #89
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Well, yes, actually. If what you are looking for in a car is a cushy ride for long highway trips, an F-150 Raptor is probably not the best choice. An Impala would be wiser.

That was my point. If you want the driving characteristics of a car, you don't want a truck.

Major difference there bud - trust me I tow with trucks daily and the Raptor absolutely sucks at towing period. let me reiterate they suck at hauling too. So where are the truck features you describe - if you love them that much my son in law has one he will sale you so he can buy a real truck. Baja is not truck.
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Not really sticking up for one side or the other, but making 400 or so TQ at around 2,000 rpm is not "mid range" grunt.

Anyways, this topic is going off topic as usual when it comes to V6 anything around here.

Fact is, this Tremor is a low 13 high 12 truck with a tune. That said...its no lightning and not really a "sports truck"
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Old 06-30-2013, 06:05 PM   #91
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Not really sticking up for one side or the other, but making 400 or so TQ at around 2,000 rpm is not "mid range" grunt.

Anyways, this topic is going off topic as usual when it comes to V6 anything around here.

Fact is, this Tremor is a low 13 high 12 truck with a tune. That said...its no lightning and not really a "sports truck"

2000 is not but 2500 is - engine speed is critical in truck applications the more RPMs the more heat, the more heat yada yada yada but you all have this figured out with your assumptions this old geeser will but out.
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420 tq @ 2500 rpm? how is that "lack of low end grunt"?
I don't care what the numbers on paper are. I've driven them, and they don't feel any stronger driving around town and merging onto the interstate than the NA 3.5s. Maybe they start to put out if you put your foot all the way to the floor, but having to whip it to get anything out of it doesn't exactly give a sense of a strong engine. If the way they tune these EcoBoosts is such that their power delivery is like an on/off switch, they can keep them.

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Major difference there bud - trust me I tow with trucks daily and the Raptor absolutely sucks at towing period. let me reiterate they suck at hauling too. So where are the truck features you describe - if you love them that much my son in law has one he will sale you so he can buy a real truck. Baja is not truck.
Here's the important difference between how the Raptor and Lightning are being sold:

The Lightning was a truck trying to be a sports car, and it wasn't. The Raptor is a truck meant to be a hard-core, high performance 4x4, and that's exactly what it is. The Raptor greatly excels at its intended function. The Lightning was just mediocre.
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Old 06-30-2013, 06:24 PM   #93
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Fact is, this Tremor is a low 13 high 12 truck with a tune. That said...its no lightning and not really a "sports truck"
Seriously? The Camaro LS3 is a high 12 car with summer tires and good conditions. You honestly think a full size pickup with 60 fewer horses with an empty bed pressing down on all-seasons will run even with it?
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Old 06-30-2013, 06:55 PM   #94
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I don't care what the numbers on paper are. I've driven them, and they don't feel any stronger driving around town and merging onto the interstate than the NA 3.5s. Maybe they start to put out if you put your foot all the way to the floor, but having to whip it to get anything out of it doesn't exactly give a sense of a strong engine. If the way they tune these EcoBoosts is such that their power delivery is like an on/off switch, they can keep them.



Here's the important difference between how the Raptor and Lightning are being sold:

The Lightning was a truck trying to be a sports car, and it wasn't. The Raptor is a truck meant to be a hard-core, high performance 4x4, and that's exactly what it is. The Raptor greatly excels at its intended function. The Lightning was just mediocre.

you are exactly correct they are meant for a Baja style of ride nothing more nothing less. I was just pointing out the statement it was meant to excels as a truck role is incorrect. Trucks are meant for work and this truck was meant for play. And I will agree it does do it's job at that.
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I think the Tremor with the 4.10 gears will prolly feel pretty stout in the low end grunt dept. Cause it seems most of the f150s around here at dealer ships have the 3.55 or 3.73 so im thinking that might be the lack of low end grunt.
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Because Ford is over complicating their engines. DOHC, turbo V6, it's all marketing hype. Their answer to the econ/horsepower wars is to make small engines with big ponies, and it's not working. They are making peak horsepower numbers but fail at where everyone drives them normally.

I demo'd an ecoboost for an entire weekend before I bought my silverado 6.2 (I owned a Ford Fusion AWD sport at the time and loved it! 260hp V6, no gimmicks). When I got the truck it had 4800km on it and the average fuel economy showed at 16.8l per 100km(canada). The power was not impressive.

Test drove the 6.2 and loved it. My trucks average economy now sits at 14.8l per 100km, this is 13% better mileage and 405 horsepower and gobs of torque. I haul a race car and trail every other weekend too.
same. I found the ecoboost to be doggy. bought a 6.2 gm with the max tow package--- this thing is an animal with great fuel economy to boot. lov this truck.
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Seriously? The Camaro LS3 is a high 12 car with summer tires and good conditions. You honestly think a full size pickup with 60 fewer horses with an empty bed pressing down on all-seasons will run even with it?
Please go back and re-read my post that you quoted.

I said with a tune. If a crew cab f150 can do mid 13s or better, and if a Flex that weighs 5,000 lbs with a tuned ecoboost can do 12s (which has been done more than once) then this truck is capable of low 13s or high 12s.

In stock form I'd expect low to mid 14s.
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Old 07-01-2013, 12:44 AM   #98
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Please go back and re-read my post that you quoted.

I said with a tune. If a crew cab f150 can do mid 13s or better, and if a Flex that weighs 5,000 lbs with a tuned ecoboost can do 12s (which has been done more than once) then this truck is capable of low 13s or high 12s.

In stock form I'd expect low to mid 14s.
fun fact: my reg cab 5.3 6 speed with 3:42's was exactly no faster than my 4 door 5.3 6 speed with 3:42's.

this "tremor" will be lucky to do mid 14's at best.
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