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View Poll Results: What should be done with the Lounges that were moved?
Return the lounges to their original state 19 51.35%
Follow Mike's compromise 5 13.51%
Keep the lounges as off topic 13 35.14%
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Old 06-30-2013, 08:59 AM   #26
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I never come to a lounge looking for answers to technical questions, that's what the various categories are set up for. If I need an answer about my engine I go to the LFX section. Or I do a search on my particular issue, if I can't find an answer then I make a thread about it and usually within a few posts I get my answer. As members I wish the OP had the ability to delete any thread he starts. That way after you get your answer you can delete the thread and reduce the clutter.
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Old 06-30-2013, 09:10 AM   #27
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Did you originally come to C5 for information? Or to make friends? Be honest...

It's cool to have friends on here, but when all the good info is in one big thread, a noob does a google search for "best exhaust for a v8 camaro", google will take him somewhere else, not here.

Here, on C5, is where he belongs.
I did come to C5 looking for information. I stayed on C5 because I wanted to make friends and talk to people who are like me. As far as "scaring off" people, that was happening long before the lounges even existed and will continue to happen with the lounges moved into into the basement. I can only speak from my experience, I did not exactly feel welcome when I first got here. You mentioned I should PM people. I don't think the average C5 user would feel comfortable PMing people, vendors yes, people no. When I first got here there is no way in hell I would PM people I didn't know, and in some cases that were rude to me. But I got it, I was the new guy.
Outside C5 I am a very respected business man. This current business model is set up to be a one and done model. Come in, get info and leave. In the business world that's a doomed model. You need people to stay. The lounge would be the vehicle to keep members. That's why I mentioned 3 lounges. Demographically "gear heads" are going to want to talk to other "gear heads"." Ultimately , somewhere along the line C5 is a business and the lounges are good for business. If there is no lounge I probably won't hang around for long, because once you get your info, what reason is there to hang around. And as far as business goes I am probably a very common and profitable demographic.
I think we are going to have respectfully agree to disagree.
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Well stated garrison.
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I did come to C5 looking for information. I stayed on C5 because I wanted to make friends and talk to people who are like me. As far as "scaring off" people, that was happening long before the lounges even existed and will continue to happen with the lounges moved into into the basement. I can only speak from my experience, I did not exactly feel welcome when I first got here. You mentioned I should PM people. I don't think the average C5 user would feel comfortable PMing people, vendors yes, people no. When I first got here there is no way in hell I would PM people I didn't know, and in some cases that were rude to me. But I got it, I was the new guy.
Outside C5 I am a very respected business man. This current business model is set up to be a one and done model. Come in, get info and leave. In the business world that's a doomed model. You need people to stay. The lounge would be the vehicle to keep members. That's why I mentioned 3 lounges. Demographically "gear heads" are going to want to talk to other "gear heads"." Ultimately , somewhere along the line C5 is a business and the lounges are good for business. If there is no lounge I probably won't hang around for long, because once you get your info, what reason is there to hang around. And as far as business goes I am probably a very common and profitable demographic.
I think we are going to have respectfully agree to disagree.
I don't see the 'off topic' area as a basement, I see it as more of an area to develop friendships above & beyond the technicals of the car.

A good thread will BTT on it's own merit without setting it apart for exclusive use.

As a business model I think it has done very well, google would agree.
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Yep. Agree to disagree.
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You didn't address my questions.

77 persons posting 3,200+ times in one thread, with the top 10 persons responsible for well over the majority of the thread... ~2500 posts.

How many V8 engine related posts? (legitimate problem/solution posts)
I'm not sure why don't you go count them?

The point is that the V8 lounge did the SAME thing as the help desk. GTA said that the help desk is a great idea. So people will have to look through that entire thread to get answers as well. The lounge and help desk are for stupid questions that people don't search for. Like "what headers should I get?" And "what CAI is the best?" Instead of people wasting space with those questions which have been answered thousands of times, they can pop in, ask, and leave. Complex issues that haven't been answered before deserve a thread.
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I'm not sure why don't you go count them?

The point is that the V8 lounge did the SAME thing as the help desk. GTA said that the help desk is a great idea. So people will have to look through that entire thread to get answers as well. The lounge and help desk are for stupid questions that people don't search for. Like "what headers should I get?" And "what CAI is the best?" Instead of people wasting space with those questions which have been answered thousands of times, they can pop in, ask, and leave. Complex issues that haven't been answered before deserve a thread.
Because he would be counting all freakin day! There are TONS of on-topic posts and TONS of good information in there.

Since when does info have to be contained in a perfectly titled thread/file/package to be useful? Google sure as hell doesn't work that way. It finds text in the thread body regardless of what it's titled. That thread was standing on its own merit. The only reason it collapsed is because it's primary contributors are pissed off about it being screwed with.

In reality... the mods appear to have backed off on their threat to heavily trim the help desk thread. I appreciate that. I hope we don't end up in this situation again.
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Because he would be counting all freakin day! There are TONS of on-topic posts and TONS of good information in there.

Since when does info have to be contained in a perfectly titled thread/file/package to be useful? Google sure as hell doesn't work that way. It finds text in the thread body regardless of what it's titled. That thread was standing on its own merit. The only reason it collapsed is because it's primary contributors are pissed off about it being screwed with.

In reality... the mods appear to have backed off on their threat to heavily trim the help desk thread. I appreciate that. I hope we don't end up in this situation again.
After 100 posts, so far all I have is:

V8's ROCK
Fast6 is GREAT
Detroit got their @ss kicked
V8 or GO HOME
God bless our troops!

All it is, is a post whore thread with a V8 bias...

As far as the poll goes, I can already tell you who most of the folks are that voted to restore it, even if it is a private poll. If you want an un-biased (somewhat) poll, post it in off topic.
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After 100 posts, so far all I have is:

V8's ROCK
Fast6 is GREAT
Detroit got their @ss kicked
V8 or GO HOME
God bless our troops!

All it is, is a post whore thread with a V8 bias...

As far as the poll goes, I can already tell you who most of the folks are that voted to restore it, even if it is a private poll. If you want an un-biased (somewhat) poll, post it in off topic.
If we put it in the off topic, it would be in the wrong section
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I think there may be some confusion between two different threads here... the help desk thread is a GREAT idea, as long as it stays on point....

..... the V8 Lounge thread, you can call a pig Rosie, but that don't make it smell pretty.

Admit it, you're just a bunch of post whores, you just haven't come to terms with it yet..... That's why I'm here, to help.
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I think there may be some confusion between two different threads here... the help desk thread is a GREAT idea, as long as it stays on point....

..... the V8 Lounge thread, you can call a pig Rosie, but that don't make it smell pretty.

Admit it, you're just a bunch of post whores, you just haven't come to terms with it yet..... That's why I'm here, to help.
You're clueless. If we just wanted to post whore we wouldn't be complaining about this.
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After 100 posts, so far all I have is:

V8's ROCK
Fast6 is GREAT
Detroit got their @ss kicked
V8 or GO HOME
God bless our troops!

All it is, is a post whore thread with a V8 bias...

As far as the poll goes, I can already tell you who most of the folks are that voted to restore it, even if it is a private poll. If you want an un-biased (somewhat) poll, post it in off topic.
Nice 3% sample. Definitely some post whoring going on in there too. Skip to page 5 or so after everyone settled down.
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You're clueless. If we just wanted to post whore we wouldn't be complaining about this.
Yeah, that's me, the village idiot.
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Nice 3% sample. Definitely some post whoring going on in there too. Skip to page 5 or so after everyone settled down.
I'm done trying to reason with you... NO ONE goes thru 3 pages of whoring to try & find information, and mods don't have time to run behind you cleaning up threads to try & make them useful. Even when they do, everyone bitches because their post was deleted.


Good luck with your quest.

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Thanks for your insights.
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I've never actually posted in the V8 Lounge and just now realized it's only been here barely over a month. The name itself screams chat room and doesn't seem to me that it would draw questions like a Help Desk would. Forgive me, as I'm probably missing something because the OP has changed and I've never read it.

I for one do like to see all the new people post "what is the best CAI" and then hear answers from everyone not just 5 or 6 in a lounge. Some of their crazy questions sometimes end up as the best threads and I hate slow that down. Can't tell you how many times I've rolled my eyes at a new thread and then posted in it 20 times.

It also helps to have individual threads for the search engine. Don't get me wrong, I like what you guys are doing in the lounge and the service you provide to members both in the lounge and other threads. This is what makes C5 tick. People learn to respect certain members advice and you guys have attained this type respect. I like to see it spread out among specific targeted subject threads instead of one place. Maybe use the V8 Lounge in Off Topic to discuss and alert your crew to threads that need answers.

I've never been a lounge person myself, despite what my post count says. I guess because I get sidetracked and end up moving around many different threads. If I do end up chatting in a lounge I miss a lot of stuff in other threads.
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That is a fair point of view mlee. I might see things a little differently, but i wouldn't call any of your points wrong. I can see we're not going to win you guys over. Can i request some leniency on the help desk thread trimming? No one is going to browse that looking for answers anyways. They can just ask, and the thread is titled and marketed appropriately so that people understand how to use it. We'll leave the OP alone so it remains evident.
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That is a fair point of view mlee. I might see things a little differently, but i wouldn't call any of your points wrong. I can see we're not going to win you guys over. Can i request some leniency on the help desk thread trimming? No one is going to browse that looking for answers anyways. They can just ask, and the thread is titled and marketed appropriately so that people understand how to use it. We'll leave the OP alone so it remains evident.
Don't read anything into my post... just me expressing my view of chat threads... I also had no idea the V8 help desk was out there. Wouldn't it have been better to just re-brand the old thread...
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Don't read anything into my post... just me expressing my view of chat threads... I also had no idea the V8 help desk was out there. Wouldn't it have been better to just re-brand the old thread...
With all do respect. I don't see what was so wrong with our other thread. Why it was so important to move it. Obviously since its been moved its been destroyed.
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Thanks for posting mlee. I was never a lounge type either until here. Weird for me, but it is what keeps me active i have to admit. Too bad that doesn't jive with forum ideals i guess.
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Thanks for posting mlee. I was never a lounge type either until here. Weird for me, but it is what keeps me active i have to admit. Too bad that doesn't jive with forum ideals i guess.
Actually now that I've looked through it I could enjoy that lounge too. I however don't look at the link path and don't really care where it's at. The information and talk can still remain the same. That's sort of up to you guys IMHO.
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With all do respect. I don't see what was so wrong with our other thread. Why it was so important to move it. Obviously since its been moved its been destroyed.
Yeah, that's where i get stuck too. I think the answer is "Because". Now it's a situation where it is done, and moving it back has to make it through an unwinnable debate.

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Actually now that I've looked through it I could enjoy that lounge too. I however don't look at the link path and don't really care where it's at. The information and talk can still remain the same. That's sort of up to you guys IMHO.
We picked up Solomon, FosterSS, DarkneSS (just off the top of my head) by being where we were. A certain type of person frequents the V8 technical section (as opposed to the general discussion forum), that is the type of person that we have managed to create a collection of. They are actively modifying their cars and grow to be contributors in a very short amount of time. I would argue that a lounge in the off-topic section doesn't champion that mentality at all.

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Technically speaking... we picked up all posting members by being where we were at. I have never been to the off-topic section until this past week.
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Don't read anything into my post... just me expressing my view of chat threads... I also had no idea the V8 help desk was out there. Wouldn't it have been better to just re-brand the old thread...
I agree. Can we jut merge the two and name the lounge the help desk?
Thanks for your opinions Mike, it's nice to see someone looking into it
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Old 06-30-2013, 02:16 PM   #50
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Just did a quick survey of threads over 1000 posts. You guys have a lot more cleaning up to do. I'm not throwing anyone under the bus.
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