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Old 06-29-2013, 11:01 PM   #1
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HPTuners -v- SCT

Very simple question, which is better to work with as far as doing my own tuning. SCT or HPTuners? im looking at getting the programs for one of them and start doing my own tuning, so which would be the best to work with?
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Old 06-30-2013, 12:26 AM   #2
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Nice response time over here huh solomon? Who needs a lounge???

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Old 06-30-2013, 12:28 AM   #3
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Oh I saw yesterday and didn't realize it was after midnight!

Get HPT. I'm selling off the SCT handheld and switching over to HPT solely because of the online community on their forums.
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Old 06-30-2013, 12:36 AM   #4
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Well actually 10 my time lol. But seriously I've looked at this forum and there is hardley ever any responses. But that's what I'm thinking I just don't wanna have to start all over again. And I was looking at thetuningschool.com and they sell everything to teach you to tune your own vehicles. For both of them.
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Old 06-30-2013, 01:14 AM   #5
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I figure sell the sct for 200-250, pay the difference for hpt, and off we go. It's not rocket science... Just gotta dig in.
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Old 06-30-2013, 01:16 AM   #6
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Also if you buy from birm you get a free tune from matt to put you back where you were with sct. Birm is awesome.
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Old 06-30-2013, 01:17 AM   #7
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My understanding is hptuners is the way to go for our cars, especially if you want to diy
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Old 06-30-2013, 02:15 AM   #8
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If you have knowledge of tuning then HP Tuners will have a lot more flexibility. If you have no knowledge of tuning then HP Tuners will be completely useless for you until you learn what you are doing. With that said HP Tuners and/or EFI Live are the most powerful and versatile tuning systems available for GM Cars. I personally use HP Tuners and have been using HP Tuners for almost 10 years now.
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Old 06-30-2013, 04:32 AM   #9
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HPT or EFILive. I use both, mostly EFILive. But if you guys ever have a question or need some help along the way, shoot me an email or pm. Always glad to see people take on the tuning challenge.

Just don't get frustrated, their is a steep learning curve. And you will find with tuning, you will get varied opinions on how to get it right...lol.
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Old 06-30-2013, 04:34 AM   #10
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Download both for free, and open some files up and check them out! Can go wrong with either bud.
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Old 06-30-2013, 07:57 AM   #11
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Well thanks guys, I guess I have to dig in my pockets and get HPTuners then. I was hoping to stay with SCT since I have the handheld, but it seems as though that's kinda on the dark ages as far as tuning nowadays.
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Old 06-30-2013, 09:39 AM   #12
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I wouldn't say it's weaker functionally... I just know i'll need a strong community to aid the learning process. HPT wins that hands down. Their forum is a treasure trove of info with lots of knowledgeable members willing to give you a boost.
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Old 06-30-2013, 11:24 AM   #13
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I wouldn't say it's weaker functionally... I just know i'll need a strong community to aid the learning process. HPT wins that hands down. Their forum is a treasure trove of info with lots of knowledgeable members willing to give you a boost.
Most of us over there helps where we can. I've been on a few different platforms with HPT and had a good mentor help me at first.
I think all tuning has a bit of a steep learning curve if you want to do it right.

If you decide HPTuners, get the Pro version as you will need a wideband O2 sensor and the ability to interface it with the logging software. Most over there recommend an NGK. I use the output from an Autometer (Bosch) gauge pod mounted on the column. Sadly our cars only have narrowbands from the factory. (Mustangs use WB sensors stock)
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Old 06-30-2013, 12:29 PM   #14
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I had planned on taking over the a/c pressure signal and splicing the wideband in there. I haven't bought my stuff yet, but litle88 already picked up standard. If we can make it work on his then i'll follow the same path.
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I did that on my LS1 WS6 using the unused EGR input to the ECM. Had to add the pin into the ECU harness on my '02. (no EGR stock).

I had HPT standard when I started tuning since my 4 cyl Cobalt turbo LNF came factory with a WB. Upgraded to pro on the LS3.
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Yeah i have heard upgrading is a little more expensive than just buying pro in the first place. Definitely would make things easier!

I think we're all pretty excited to get started. Good to know you guys are willing to help.
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HPTuners -v- SCT

How much is an upgrade does anyone know? I sold my pro with the corvette since the license was tied to it and the new owner needed it...3 bar speed density tune with a ton of boost.

Have the standard now that I had laying around. Not much good unless I'm on a dyno with a wideband using the air/fuel graph.

And PS the HP Tuners forum alone is worth the price of admission. It's basically free classes and best of all the engineers actually post in there and give out help and advice!
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Old 06-30-2013, 05:11 PM   #18
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I think it's around $265. Not sure on that.
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Eek seems more cost effective to unload the standard on fleabay and buy the pro with 2 new licenses.
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Maybe so. Like we were talking about briefly, you can fudge it with a little ambition.
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HPT comes with 8 credits, enough for 4 vehicles in most cases.
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I was wondering how many vehicles/credits was average. Good to know.
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We use EFI Live here at the shop. I am very fluent in both EFI and HP and those are the two choice I would suggest. If you ever have any questions feel free to call or send me a pm.

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Old 07-01-2013, 12:19 PM   #24
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Cool! Thanks Shawn. Sounds like we might be able to infuse camaro5 with a little more technical conversation. Looking forward to it.
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If you have a SCT tuner allready,you can also look at the SCT Pro Racer software.The Pro Racer is design to do custom changes similar as HP tuners.It will only work with the vin number you provide though.
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