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Old 06-30-2013, 06:11 PM   #18
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I think it's around $265. Not sure on that.
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Old 06-30-2013, 06:16 PM   #19
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Eek seems more cost effective to unload the standard on fleabay and buy the pro with 2 new licenses.
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Old 06-30-2013, 07:22 PM   #20
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Maybe so. Like we were talking about briefly, you can fudge it with a little ambition.
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Old 06-30-2013, 09:16 PM   #21
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HPT comes with 8 credits, enough for 4 vehicles in most cases.
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Old 06-30-2013, 10:56 PM   #22
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I was wondering how many vehicles/credits was average. Good to know.
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Old 07-01-2013, 09:13 AM   #23
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We use EFI Live here at the shop. I am very fluent in both EFI and HP and those are the two choice I would suggest. If you ever have any questions feel free to call or send me a pm.

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Old 07-01-2013, 01:19 PM   #24
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Cool! Thanks Shawn. Sounds like we might be able to infuse camaro5 with a little more technical conversation. Looking forward to it.
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Old 07-02-2013, 06:28 AM   #25
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If you have a SCT tuner allready,you can also look at the SCT Pro Racer software.The Pro Racer is design to do custom changes similar as HP tuners.It will only work with the vin number you provide though.
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Old 07-02-2013, 08:50 AM   #26
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If you have a SCT tuner allready,you can also look at the SCT Pro Racer software.The Pro Racer is design to do custom changes similar as HP tuners.It will only work with the vin number you provide though.
Yep. That's true. $349 for a seat of pro racer. I was going to do that for the longest time, then thought better of it.

I haven't heard much at all about their forum other than it's Ford-biased. I wouldn't know though because it's locked to the public!
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Old 07-02-2013, 09:34 AM   #27
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A friend of mine was basically forced into SCT for his new 5.0 since HPT doesn't support it. He was not too pleased since he's used HPT for 5 years.
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Old 07-02-2013, 09:42 AM   #28
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Everything I have read/learned thus far has been HPT based. The concepts are difficult enough for a newbie... I definitely don't want to try and translate it to another software that I've never seen before, can't get a demo of, and can't see the help resource I'll have access to once purchased. I'm sure it works great... but I'll never find out.

Try searching "VE table SCT pro racer". Not very encouraging .
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Old 07-02-2013, 02:26 PM   #29
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You can't directly massage our VE tables, it's a virtual calc thing. There is software for calculating the 4 or 5 dimensions needed. Never tried. You can upgrade the ECU OS to a special one with a real VE table if you desire for another 2 or 3 credits.

I plugged in the ID850 data and tuned the MAF. Stock internals.
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Old 07-02-2013, 02:45 PM   #30
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You can't directly massage our VE tables, it's a virtual calc thing. There is software for calculating the 4 or 5 dimensions needed. Never tried. You can upgrade the ECU OS to a special one with a real VE table if you desire for another 2 or 3 credits.

I plugged in the ID850 data and tuned the MAF. Stock internals.
Interesting. So what would be the real benefits of blowing the credits and getting a real VE table then? The ability to smooth the data over? I understand roughly how it works. Monitor changes and amounts in the fuel trims, then adjust cells working the hardest, rinse and repeat.

I guess you could accomplish the same thing by factoring the data yourself. Maybe that's what you mean when you say it's a virtual calc thing.
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Old 07-02-2013, 03:25 PM   #31
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Interesting. So what would be the real benefits of blowing the credits and getting a real VE table then? The ability to smooth the data over? I understand roughly how it works. Monitor changes and amounts in the fuel trims, then adjust cells working the hardest, rinse and repeat.

I guess you could accomplish the same thing by factoring the data yourself. Maybe that's what you mean when you say it's a virtual calc thing.
Its 2 credits and the benefits are outlined here

http://www.hptuners.com/forum/showth...evtest-results

Basically makes tuning alot easier whether for boosted applications or NA, also extends your fan temp table.

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Old 07-02-2013, 03:31 PM   #32
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HPTuners hands-down... The interface is better IMO, but the SCT interface is also nice. However, with SCT you'll need to purchase their custom tuning software (If you want to go further than the small things that a handheld can change) + the handheld, rather than with HPT you are in when you just buy the suite (No handheld required).

We are an HPTuners reseller with an awesome sale going on now that includes a free custom tune. So you can compare off of what I changed from your factory file, to the custom file, and see what changes have been made to start learning.
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Thanks Bill, as always.

I'll upgrade someday, just haven't popped for more credits yet. I figured when I go with a cam I'll need to. The temp settings for the fan would be a big plus also. Lowest stock turn on point is 192*f iirc.
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Old 07-02-2013, 03:56 PM   #34
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Its 2 credits and the benefits are outlined here

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Basically makes tuning alot easier whether for boosted applications or NA, also extends your fan temp table.

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Thanks Bill. I'll give it a read.

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HPTuners hands-down... The interface is better IMO, but the SCT interface is also nice. However, with SCT you'll need to purchase their custom tuning software (If you want to go further than the small things that a handheld can change) + the handheld, rather than with HPT you are in when you just buy the suite (No handheld required).

We are an HPTuners reseller with an awesome sale going on now that includes a free custom tune. So you can compare off of what I changed from your factory file, to the custom file, and see what changes have been made to start learning.
Birm already got to me . I have a few more rough weeks to get through with the kid going off to college, then my SCT handheld to sell off, then it's business time.

I was wondering if you left your tune unlocked so I could use it as a reference agains the stock tune. Good to know.
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