Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums - Camaro5.com
 
Detroit Speed
Go Back   Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums - Camaro5.com > Engine | Drivetrain | Powertrain Technical Discussions > Camaro V8 LS3 / L99 Engine, Exhaust, and Bolt-Ons

Camaro V8 LS3 / L99 Engine, Exhaust, and Bolt-Ons Bolt-Ons | Intakes | Exhaust

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 06-30-2013, 03:00 PM   #1
alaskacamaro
 
alaskacamaro's Avatar
 
Drives: 2012 2SS 45TH EDITION
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Alaska
Posts: 353
Just got a tune w/mods. A little dissapointed...

Finally got my car into a shop to tune and install modds. Tuned was highly recommended and is the only shop in the area with a dyno. Just prior to taking my car in, he told me he just finished tuned another camaro with almost the exact same modds as me (I added meth injection) was getting 425whp in that car.

My baseline dyno was 365whp...

My car was tuned and the results were......400whp and 408tq.. :(

Modds were:

Roto-Fab CAI
Stainless works LTH and retro ZL1 exhaust
Snow stage 3 meth
ZL1 PFADT stage 3 suspension
3.91 gears
Diablo tune on a dynojet at 76 F

The cars sounds and handles soooooo much better now but the numbers were a little below what I was expecting. Are these results typical for what I have in modds?
alaskacamaro is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-30-2013, 03:06 PM   #2
Top Off
 
Top Off's Avatar
 
Drives: 2012 LS3 1SS/RS Vert
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Hamburg
Posts: 200
Auto or manual?
__________________
2012 1SS/RS Vert. BBK shorties, Solo cats, GHL catback
Top Off is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-30-2013, 03:13 PM   #3
The Stig



 
The Stig's Avatar
 
Drives: out of the ashes
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Northern VA
Posts: 26,649
You say "Diablo tune" do you mean that it was the canned tune from a Diablo handheld tuner?
__________________
Click to view my build thread
The Stig is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-30-2013, 03:34 PM   #4
alaskacamaro
 
alaskacamaro's Avatar
 
Drives: 2012 2SS 45TH EDITION
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Alaska
Posts: 353
Quote:
Originally Posted by Top Off View Post
Auto or manual?

LS3

Had 8300 miles on it.
alaskacamaro is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-30-2013, 03:36 PM   #5
alaskacamaro
 
alaskacamaro's Avatar
 
Drives: 2012 2SS 45TH EDITION
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Alaska
Posts: 353
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Stig View Post
You say "Diablo tune" do you mean that it was the canned tune from a Diablo handheld tuner?
Yes the handheld tuner. At least that is what I got charged. $400.00 for the unit and $500.00 for the tune.
alaskacamaro is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-30-2013, 03:39 PM   #6
The Stig



 
The Stig's Avatar
 
Drives: out of the ashes
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Northern VA
Posts: 26,649
Quote:
Originally Posted by alaskacamaro View Post
Yes the handheld tuner. At least that is what I got charged. $400.00 for the unit and $500.00 for the tune.
Ok so the tuner put your car on the dyno and spent a couple hours tuning it?
__________________
Click to view my build thread
The Stig is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-30-2013, 03:43 PM   #7
nyrfan
Let's go Rangers!
 
nyrfan's Avatar
 
Drives: 13' AGM 2SS/RS L99
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Orlando, FL
Posts: 9,135
Seems a bit low, I would have expected closer to 420 -430 range. What kind of dyno was it?

I just dyno'd 373 with my L99 on a mustang dyno which runs about 10% lower then a dynojet plus it was a 90 degree day with major humidity. I expect I am right around 400 on a dynojet on a decent temp day.

My mods:
ARH LT & HF
Corsa cat back
CAI, CAI
Ported TB



Sent from my 2SS/RS
__________________
Soprano 4/1/00-6/14/11, Gone but NEVER forgotten!
FSP tuned: 371/383

Last edited by nyrfan; 06-30-2013 at 04:16 PM.
nyrfan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-30-2013, 03:44 PM   #8
alaskacamaro
 
alaskacamaro's Avatar
 
Drives: 2012 2SS 45TH EDITION
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Alaska
Posts: 353
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Stig View Post
Ok so the tuner put your car on the dyno and spent a couple hours tuning it?
That's what he said. Told me it was low because the shop temp was 76 degrees when he was pulling it
alaskacamaro is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-30-2013, 03:45 PM   #9
alaskacamaro
 
alaskacamaro's Avatar
 
Drives: 2012 2SS 45TH EDITION
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Alaska
Posts: 353
Quote:
Originally Posted by nyrfan View Post
Seems a bit low, I would have expected closer to 430 range. What kind of dyno was it?

I just dyno'd 373 with my L99 on a mustang dyno which runs about 10% lower the a dyno jet plus it was a 90 degree day with major humidity.

My mods:
ARH LT & HF
Corsa cat back
CAI, CAI
Ported TB



Sent from my 2SS/RS
A dynojet
alaskacamaro is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-30-2013, 03:46 PM   #10
nyrfan
Let's go Rangers!
 
nyrfan's Avatar
 
Drives: 13' AGM 2SS/RS L99
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Orlando, FL
Posts: 9,135
Quote:
Originally Posted by alaskacamaro View Post
A dynojet
IMO something is wrong. I don't think a 76 degree day (really not that terrible) would cost you 20 rwhp.


Sent from my 2SS/RS
__________________
Soprano 4/1/00-6/14/11, Gone but NEVER forgotten!
FSP tuned: 371/383

Last edited by nyrfan; 06-30-2013 at 04:10 PM.
nyrfan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-30-2013, 03:49 PM   #11
EFI
 
EFI's Avatar
 
Drives: poop
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: home
Posts: 119
Quote:
At least that is what I got charged. $400.00 for the unit and $500.00 for the tune.
LOL, guy is a genius business man.

He not only sells you the tune, but the unit itself. Smart guy.

You basically just paid $400 for a glorified code scanner.
EFI is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-30-2013, 03:51 PM   #12
nyrfan
Let's go Rangers!
 
nyrfan's Avatar
 
Drives: 13' AGM 2SS/RS L99
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Orlando, FL
Posts: 9,135
Quote:
Originally Posted by alaskacamaro View Post
Yes the handheld tuner. At least that is what I got charged. $400.00 for the unit and $500.00 for the tune.
Holy crap $900! I won't even tell you what one of the best tuners (Matt from FSP) for these cars charged me. You'd be sick.


Sent from my 2SS/RS
__________________
Soprano 4/1/00-6/14/11, Gone but NEVER forgotten!
FSP tuned: 371/383

Last edited by nyrfan; 06-30-2013 at 04:01 PM.
nyrfan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-30-2013, 03:53 PM   #13
The Stig



 
The Stig's Avatar
 
Drives: out of the ashes
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Northern VA
Posts: 26,649
Quote:
Originally Posted by alaskacamaro View Post
That's what he said. Told me it was low because the shop temp was 76 degrees when he was pulling it
76 degrees isn't that hot, most shops during the summer are in the 90's.

What shop was this out of curiosity?
__________________
Click to view my build thread
The Stig is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-30-2013, 03:54 PM   #14
alaskacamaro
 
alaskacamaro's Avatar
 
Drives: 2012 2SS 45TH EDITION
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Alaska
Posts: 353
Quote:
Originally Posted by EFI View Post
LOL, guy is a genius business man.

He not only sells you the tune, but the unit itself. Smart guy.

You basically just paid $400 for a glorified code scanner.
That what thought when he told me the unit cost. He told me each unit was different and each tune required a separate tuner.
alaskacamaro is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-30-2013, 03:54 PM   #15
dixonk
 
dixonk's Avatar
 
Drives: 2011 Audi Q7
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Elk Grove, CA
Posts: 1,109
Send a message via Skype™ to dixonk
Quote:
Originally Posted by alaskacamaro View Post
Finally got my car into a shop to tune and install modds. Tuned was highly recommended and is the only shop in the area with a dyno. Just prior to taking my car in, he told me he just finished tuned another camaro with almost the exact same modds as me (I added meth injection) was getting 425whp in that car.

My baseline dyno was 365whp...

My car was tuned and the results were......400whp and 408tq.. :(

Modds were:

Roto-Fab CAI
Stainless works LTH and retro ZL1 exhaust
Snow stage 3 meth
ZL1 PFADT stage 3 suspension
3.91 gears
Diablo tune on a dynojet at 76 F

The cars sounds and handles soooooo much better now but the numbers were a little below what I was expecting. Are these results typical for what I have in modds?
Meth kit on stock N/A motor?
dixonk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-30-2013, 03:55 PM   #16
alaskacamaro
 
alaskacamaro's Avatar
 
Drives: 2012 2SS 45TH EDITION
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Alaska
Posts: 353
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Stig View Post
76 degrees isn't that hot, most shops during the summer are in the 90's.

What shop was this out of curiosity?
Underground performance in Anchorage Alaska.
alaskacamaro is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-30-2013, 03:58 PM   #17
alaskacamaro
 
alaskacamaro's Avatar
 
Drives: 2012 2SS 45TH EDITION
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Alaska
Posts: 353
Quote:
Originally Posted by nyrfan View Post
Holy crap $900!


Sent from my 2SS/RS
Welcome to the world of monopoly..
alaskacamaro is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-30-2013, 04:02 PM   #18
The Stig



 
The Stig's Avatar
 
Drives: out of the ashes
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Northern VA
Posts: 26,649
Quote:
Originally Posted by alaskacamaro View Post
Underground performance in Anchorage Alaska.
I would send Ted Jannetty a PM and ask for his thoughts on your situation. Doesn't hurt to get a second opinion.
__________________
Click to view my build thread
The Stig is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-30-2013, 04:04 PM   #19
nyrfan
Let's go Rangers!
 
nyrfan's Avatar
 
Drives: 13' AGM 2SS/RS L99
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Orlando, FL
Posts: 9,135
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Stig View Post
I would send Ted Jannetty a PM and ask for his thoughts on your situation. Doesn't hurt to get a second opinion.
Or Matt from FSP, He uses diablo tuners for his mail order tunes.


Sent from my 2SS/RS
__________________
Soprano 4/1/00-6/14/11, Gone but NEVER forgotten!
FSP tuned: 371/383

Last edited by nyrfan; 06-30-2013 at 04:50 PM.
nyrfan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-30-2013, 04:07 PM   #20
67motorcat
Blown Cool Breeze
 
67motorcat's Avatar
 
Drives: 2011 Black on Black 2SS M6
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Pinehurst NC
Posts: 1,025
With basically just an Intake and Headers you are rite where you should be.

Your 3.91 gears will show/read a little less on the Dyno.

I wouldn't worry about it much....just the price you were charged...
__________________
2011 Black on Black 2SS M6
Had a 2010 IBM 2SS M6
Enjoy life.Think of all the women on the Titanic who passed up dessert.
67motorcat is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-30-2013, 04:15 PM   #21
litle88
V8 Lounge member #2
 
Drives: 2001 Ws6
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Burbank,IL
Posts: 6,325
Yea there's something wrong. Why meth injection?
__________________
01 Ws6, m6, ASC#618 of 1583,40k Miles,shortblock built by AES the rest built by me,Ls3 416,FAST 102, NW102,LPE Ls3 heads

Join us:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/5138...3848358733509/
litle88 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-30-2013, 04:19 PM   #22
MrGs SS
 
MrGs SS's Avatar
 
Drives: 2013 Black SS/RS
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Florida
Posts: 126
meth as in crystal meth or meth meth?
__________________
2013 2SS Black~ L99

Performance Mods-CAI intake, APEX washer bottle relocate and scoop, Ported TB. SLP 160 degree stat, Norris Catch-can, Pfadt Tri-Y headers, BMR F/R sway bars and Arms, Corsa cat back exhaust.
Appearance Mods-Blackout kit (markers, tail lights), black tail light bezels, black chrome trunk lettering, LSR billet engine dress-up kit, sub box. Billet tensioner pulley and thermostat housing (Billetcustom), Heritage grille.

Tuned by Matt @ Florida Speed and Power
379/388 Mustang dyno
MrGs SS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-30-2013, 04:40 PM   #23
litle88
V8 Lounge member #2
 
Drives: 2001 Ws6
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Burbank,IL
Posts: 6,325
Lol breaking bad blue magic meth!

And yea the guy/tuner got the OP twice!

Matt at FSP is who I'd call as well for a better tune.
__________________
01 Ws6, m6, ASC#618 of 1583,40k Miles,shortblock built by AES the rest built by me,Ls3 416,FAST 102, NW102,LPE Ls3 heads

Join us:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/5138...3848358733509/
litle88 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-30-2013, 05:46 PM   #24
3rdgen3
10-bolt Destroyer
 
3rdgen3's Avatar
 
Drives: 2012 Camaro 2SS/RS - AGM, LS3/6M
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Mississauga, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 445
Ive never seen meth injection help make any power on a stock N/A motor w/ just bolt-ons.

Clearly your meth injections aint doing diddly squat because you should make more RWHP then that without meth, lmao.

Either way different day, different dyno, different conditions. Take it to the track and compare the results to what you ran prior to these mods.
__________________
3rdgen3 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-30-2013, 06:34 PM   #25
axis
Search Ninja
 
axis's Avatar
 
Drives: 2010 Black 2SS/RS A6
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Central Ark
Posts: 6,587
Quote:
Originally Posted by dixonk View Post
Meth kit on stock N/A motor?
Quote:
Originally Posted by litle88 View Post
Yea there's something wrong. Why meth injection?
Quote:
Originally Posted by 3rdgen3 View Post
Ive never seen meth injection help make any power on a stock N/A motor w/ just bolt-ons.
These.

Why on earth did you put meth injection on a NA car?
__________________
2010 Black 2SS/RS A6
Halltech Yellowjacket fed
GPI modded intake manifold
Kooks LT's/ Dynomax VT
Pfadted (springs/sways)
Dyno tuned by Rhino and GPI

I once parallel parked a train.
axis is offline   Reply With Quote
 
Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:16 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.