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Old 07-03-2013, 09:38 PM   #35
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I will agree with you, I own both as well. The ZL1 looks bad ass, but the GT500 is more fun to drive and feels like its got A LOT more power. The thing is a monster. I have the track pack on my GT500 and drive in southern Ontario where it gets really hot, the car never has a heat problem. In fact, the rads never get that hot. The ZL1 is a different story but it looks sooo HOT, I lobe the look of the ZL1. Also not to be picky but the recaros in the mustang are great quality, I wish I could say the same about the camaro seats. I find I try to hop in so I don't rub the sides on them. Just my two cents
Never owning a 660hp+ car I couldn't imagine how fun it is to drive. For me though mentally it would be hard pill to swallow on buying a $65-70k vehicle that would get man handled on a road course by a $36-40k 1LE. Sure the GT500 is sexy but outside of that it just looks good in a garage.
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Old 07-03-2013, 10:17 PM   #36
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Never owning a 660hp+ car I couldn't imagine how fun it is to drive. For me though mentally it would be hard pill to swallow on buying a $65-70k vehicle that would get man handled on a road course by a $36-40k 1LE. Sure the GT500 is sexy but outside of that it just looks good in a garage.
Thats the thing, I could care less about a road course because I don't drive the car on a road course. 99% of the population see the power of a car on the street. For me I bought the car for fun. The ZL1 handles better hands down, and looks a lot better. Personally I think that the Camaro is a better looking car, but the mustang is more fun. The Camaro feels like a souped up cadillac, its quiet, reserved, and predictable. The Mustang is raw. I don't drive on a track and I don't street race, but every now and then I accelerate hard to the speed limit and the GT500 is much more fun doing it. In a straight line it will put my ZL1 to shame (I can say that as I own a ZL1) I actually enjoy when a tap off the gas can make the rear wag its tail with the traction control off, even when rolling at speeds of 40 or 50mph.

Different people want different things but to say that "For me though mentally it would be hard pill to swallow on buying a $65-70k vehicle that would get man handled on a road course by a $36-40k 1LE" I think is a little shallow. If your not tracking your car, then a road course has no bearing. On the street there is no way a 1LE would even compare to the GT500. While I have not driven the 1LE, I did own an SS (which I enjoyed) but it would never compete on the street with my GT500.

I am a Chevy guy at heart, but the GT500 got to me. Both cars are great, but for fun I give it to the Shelby. For looks/handling I give it to the ZL1. They are both great cars, they are just very different cars. FYI - I did buy the ZL1 prior to the GT500

The most fun car I have ever owned was my 74 454 Corvette. Handling, crappy(compared to these new cars), but it was just a real fun car to drive. My GT500 reminds me of it. A muscle car.
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Old 07-03-2013, 10:20 PM   #37
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This. Fully Loaded ZL1 58000, Fully Loadet gt500 72000.
Also, the ZL1 comes with handling covered very well. Adding power is much easier. With the Shelby, you have a lot of work to do to match the ZL1's Magnetic Ride.
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Old 07-03-2013, 10:26 PM   #38
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Also, the ZL1 comes with handling covered very well. Adding power is much easier. With the Shelby, you have a lot of work to do to match the ZL1's Magnetic Ride.
The Mag ride on the ZL1 is superb.
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Old 07-07-2013, 11:43 PM   #39
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I too am currently in the dilemma of the snake or the Z.... I sold my 2SS about a year and a half ago and finally got a truck I'm happy with and had to get the gf a car.... Now I'll have my gf's '12 v6 stang paid off in Nov and a looking for a muscle car for myself. I loved my SS and have no doubt I would love the Z but megans Lil v6 stang is a fun little car to drive! I can only imagine how much a similar car with over double the hp would be. Having said that the ZL1 would only be about 100rwhp over that of my SS. I understand comparing my old SS and her stang is an unfair comparison but its what I've got to work with.... Don't get me wrong... I'm a Bow tie man through and through and I'm really not a fan of the blue oval but the Shelby in my mind is in a different category than just another Ford stang. I don't run road courses or track at all unless it's an 1/8 or 1/4 mile track. So racing is more my style. I also have an obsession with nodding. Either way I figure I'll end up with 700-800rwhp but not sure what platform to stay with?
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Old 07-08-2013, 01:37 AM   #40
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Also, the ZL1 comes with handling covered very well. Adding power is much easier. With the Shelby, you have a lot of work to do to match the ZL1's Magnetic Ride.
You're a set of coil over and tires away from that. Modding arguments are pointless. You can make 700whp in a GT500 with an X pipe, tune and intake, and very reliably at that. Once modding gets thrown in, all bets are off, and the deepest pockets win. ZL1 is the road course machine, but if I was buying a brand new car for that kind of duty, I would honestly go with a 1LE if I wanted a high horsepower RWD v8 car for cheap. Most of the guys I see at HPDEs that are seasoned vets don't drive a new car there, since daily driven new cars don't hold up very well to the abuse.

OP, go drive both and get what you like.
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Never owning a 660hp+ car I couldn't imagine how fun it is to drive. For me though mentally it would be hard pill to swallow on buying a $65-70k vehicle that would get man handled on a road course by a $36-40k 1LE. Sure the GT500 is sexy but outside of that it just looks good in a garage.
First off it wouldn't get man handled on a road course. Second the 500 will show it's pretty little behind to that 1LE in the following real world venues. 0-60 mph, 1/8, 1/4, 1/2, full mile, stop light to stoplight, highway pull, top speed. The beat down by the 500 would truly be embarrassing for the 1LE Camaro. Getting beat by 1.5 seconds in the quarter mile may make somebody think twice about their purchase.
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Old 07-08-2013, 08:19 AM   #42
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Y? Shes not driving it? Ive already bought her a car...
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Old 07-08-2013, 10:59 AM   #44
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ZL1 accolades speak for themselves, compare reviews of the two and see who really wins.
Depends on what you want. The Camaro ZL1 is the better car. But the Shelby is so much more than that and the last built why old Carol himself was still alive. I think any true car guy would want both, and left to choose just one would be better served with the toss of a coin.

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If you are worried about the price difference, then you are missing the point. At that level a few grand either way should not make the difference. You really have to drive them to see what you like better. I looked for a Shelby and couldnt find one, but I did find a Roush Stage 3 for 56K. I drove it, and with 565 Hp and light weight, it ran like a raped ape. The sound on the exhaust was awesome. What I didn't like was the rear end -- way too hoppy on an unstable road. When I drove the ZL1, it just seemed a lot more balanced -- enough HP to get scary but well controlled and solid.
drive them both - then just pull the trigger....
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If you are worried about the price difference, then you are missing the point. At that level a few grand either way should not make the difference. You really have to drive them to see what you like better. I looked for a Shelby and couldnt find one, but I did find a Roush Stage 3 for 56K. I drove it, and with 565 Hp and light weight, it ran like a raped ape. The sound on the exhaust was awesome. What I didn't like was the rear end -- way too hoppy on an unstable road. When I drove the ZL1, it just seemed a lot more balanced -- enough HP to get scary but well controlled and solid.
drive them both - then just pull the trigger....

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Old 07-15-2013, 10:46 PM   #47
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I drove both back to back same day when I got t ZL1. Driving both didn't help as much as I had hoped. I loved both of them. The big things I liked about the Shelby were the power, the rear tail lights, and the seats. The ZL 1 looked better up front, handles better, liked the wheels and tires better, and was $12,000 less with both cars optioned the way I wanted. Also, I couldn't find a Shelby in the colors I wanted within 500 miles.
I love my ZL1, I picked the right car and color for me! Also the ZL1 seems more rare where I live.
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Old 07-16-2013, 12:02 AM   #48
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pick which ever one make you happy ! You should ask the same question on the mustang
forum just to see what they say. That would be interesting
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I'm with everybody who makes sense. Get what you want. Our opinions mean nothing to you. We all have individual interests and things that set us off about each car. I will say this though....someone mentioned earlier about the GT500s being more valuable at resale....GT500s have been running every model year for how long now??? The ZL1 is still the more rare of the two seeing as how these are the first 2 model years since 1969. Either way, it's always been your choice dude. Pick a beast and burn rubber!!!
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GM is even discounting 2013 ZL1 now. It's now included in the $1500 cash back offers since July 14. No longer says "excluding ZL1" on the offer.
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Old 07-16-2013, 01:00 PM   #51
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.....I considered both(actually 4 cars) cars before making my final choice. Roll back the clock to a few months before the ZL1 was released, I was looking to sell my 2006 GTO (6M) and was considering an SRT Challenger with the 6.4 Hemi and 6-speed manual (manual only for me, so I won't have to repeat that for the rest of this posting) and the ZL1. I wanted to drive both because of the rumor of a 570 hp supercharged Challenger in the near future...I always plan ahead. I test drove a new Challenger with the 470HP Hemi and was disappointed when I tried to power shift, even with the TC off, there was a torque management program that killed timing between shifts, and no way to tune the 6.4 (at that time). Eliminate the Challenger.
.....Next I drove a 2010 SS (no ZL1 was available yet), but the interior was so ugly (for my tastes, sorry), mainly the dash board, that I could not consider the ZL1 for me. I happen to stop at the Cadillac dealership down the street and saw a CTS V Coupe, and fell in love with the interior and overall looks of the car (probably not for everyone), but since it was an automatic I did not drive it. After some long searching I found a used 6-speed CTS V to test drive ( I had never driven a supercharged manual car before) and I had a couple of friends who had GT500's. They did not power shift because they said you loose boost (in the Shelby) as soon as you push in the clutch. The CTS V has a "no lift shift" feature in the program.....well I was impressed.....now to find a good deal on a new CTS V Coupe.
.....But wait , there's more. Before I can find the best deal on a CTS V....Ford announces a 662 hp GT500...Wow. Back to square 1, so I wait. I won't buy until I can test drive one for myself. My needs are simple, 99% street driving, NO road courses for me, Test and Tune 1/4 mile racing once or twice a month at the local Drag Strip...I love acceleration. Several months pass and I finally get a ride in a 2013 GT500, the owner won't let me drive, but gives me a ride, I will be honest it was not that impressive, he got on it hard, but did not power shift or break traction (we went from about 40-100), but my SRT-10 Ram felt quicker (stock engine, but lightweight tricks, headers and tuning, runs 11.60's @118)....I expected a lot more with 662 hp.
.....So I was back to finding a CTS V (love the interior). Then Evolution Performance releases a video of their GT500 with most of the changes I would do if I bought the GT500 (4.10 gears, lower pulley, headers, catless X-pipe, CobraJet TB, CAI, tune, slicks......and does 9.95 @ 142) incredible....OH the sound of that car! So now I'm back to considering the GT500. I wanted a Base model and recaro seats, stripe delete in Impact Blue, as the SVT Package and the Track Package only add expense and weight to a car that I will only drag race occasionally. Plus the Torsen rear end is NOT ideal for drag racing. I still needed to drive a GT500 before my final decision. Finally found a used one the owner would let me drive, I liked the way it drove, almost lost it when I powered into 2nd gear with the TC on, fishtailed all over the road, but still lots of fun.
.....In the end it came down to what I really needed, I have to pick up the grandkids a few times each week, the CTS V has a better back seat, a better ride, and the best interior. I have the SRT-10 Ram I race, a 2000 Firehawk that LME in Houston is finishing a 433" LS motor for, so I didn't need a 3rd race car. I found a new 2012 CTSV Coupe at orange Coast Cadillac (crystal red, recaro seats, suede pkg, wood trim, moonroof,) with an MSRP of $71,605, and I got a great deal @ $58,500 (probably because of the 6-speed).
.....I'm very happy with my purchase....and just to make things sweeter....last Friday test and tune at Famoso Raceway.....I raced a 2014 Shelby GT500, both cars on street tires, he was pure stock, I have a tune and CAI. The weather was HOT, 98 degrees at 10pm and 3500' DA, so the times were not great ( GT500 12.69@116.53, CTSV 12.63@116.23)....but my .002 reaction time gave me the win by 3 car lengths. Here's the video shot by my fiend who owns a 2011 GT500.

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