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Old 07-02-2013, 01:51 PM   #26
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a friend of mine is a machinist and rebuilds engines, i told him i bought a good wrench v-6 camaro engine for my s-10, he told me to drop the pan and replace the oil pump before installing the new engine..
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Old 07-02-2013, 01:53 PM   #27
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Yeah. They are stubborn for sure. Like they always say.. you have to admit there's a problem before you can find a solution!
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Old 07-02-2013, 02:20 PM   #28
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I spoke with the dealership, and GM this morning. The dealership says that it is GM policy not to warranty any of it if engine components have been changed out with aftermarket parts. Oddly enough, GM customer service said that IS NOT the policy. The dealership says they have to get it in and diagnose it first (understandable) but have already said that they won't cover it even if they find that the mods have nothing to do with it. Good to know they are willing to go in objectively, right? They want $100 an hour to diagnose it, and they are saying $1700 to fix it. This is what they tell me even after GM customer service calls them. At this point, knowing that I am dealing with dishonest people, I'd rather just pay the performance shop the $600, get a better pump, and know that it will be done right.

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Sorry you are having some difficulties and seem to be getting some confusing information. Following the verbiage of our warranty policy, the dealer is correct, as any modification can void your warranty. In many cases, the dealer will consider the potential effect of the modifications to the vehicle. This is not a certainty though, as every case must be diagnosed to make that decision. Considering the modifications listed, it is very likely that most dealers would considered the warranty voided. Each dealer operates independently as well. If you feel a second opinion is necessary then I recommend seeking another diagnosis with another dealer.

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Old 07-02-2013, 05:12 PM   #29
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you can't blame GM for not wanting to warrant a modified product..

if the oil pump needs to be replaced (and it sounds like it) i would drop the pan and put in a quality part...or higher it done by a reputable mechanic.
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Haha... what litle is so tactfully trying to say is... you can't drop the pan without cutting the frame, and there is no need to drop it anyways. The pump slides right off the crank snout with some TLC .
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Old 07-02-2013, 05:58 PM   #31
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Old 07-02-2013, 06:55 PM   #32
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Haha... what litle is so tactfully trying to say is... you can't drop the pan without cutting the frame, and there is no need to drop it anyways. The pump slides right off the crank snout with some TLC .
You have to drop it a little to get to the pick up tube right...
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If I had something wrong with the internals of the engine, I would understand that not being warrantied. The problem I have is that they know, and admitted to me this morning, that there is no possible way that any mod I have could have possibly caused the oil pump to go bad. At this point, it is what it is, and I've learned a valuable lesson about GM that many have learned before me. It's not about customers. Oh well. Honestly, I have no desire to have them put another garbage oil pump back in anyway. I'd never trust my car again. I called the speed shop and he told me he'd order any pump I wanted, so I had him order a Melling. Not thrilled about having to drop $600 to fix something that never should have failed, but it'll be done, better, and I can move on. Only bummer at this point is that they can't get me in until Monday, and I will start my trek to Cali the very next day. Sure hope they get everything right with the install or it could make for a long trip.
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Sorry you are having some difficulties and seem to be getting some confusing information. Following the verbiage of our warranty policy, the dealer is correct, as any modification can void your warranty. In many cases, the dealer will consider the potential effect of the modifications to the vehicle. This is not a certainty though, as every case must be diagnosed to make that decision. Considering the modifications listed, it is very likely that most dealers would considered the warranty voided. Each dealer operates independently as well. If you feel a second opinion is necessary then I recommend seeking another diagnosis with another dealer.

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It's not even worth the trouble at this point. I have talked to both dealers in town. One of them I already didn't trust, now I don't trust either of them, and the closest one out of town is a good 30+ minutes away. I don't have time to waste, so I'll call it a loss and get it done by somebody I trust, that will put a better part in for 1/3 the cost.
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That's why I always recommend an oil pump with the installation of a cam. I know maybe you didn't know bud. But we liv and learn. Just sucks your in a crunch but now you'll have that piece of mind after the Install. Then you'll see that pressure shoot up nice after start up all the time.
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It's not even worth the trouble at this point. I have talked to both dealers in town. One of them I already didn't trust, now I don't trust either of them, and the closest one out of town is a good 30+ minutes away. I don't have time to waste, so I'll call it a loss and get it done by somebody I trust, that will put a better part in for 1/3 the cost.
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Really sorry about the course of action we would have to take. I appreciate my colleague Reggie B. for calling the dealerships on your behalf this morning. If you have any other questions, do not hesitate to let us know.

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That's why I always recommend an oil pump with the installation of a cam. I know maybe you didn't know bud. But we liv and learn. Just sucks your in a crunch but now you'll have that piece of mind after the Install. Then you'll see that pressure shoot up nice after start up all the time.
No real harm done, but I'll know for next time. I'll just be happy to have it done so I don't have to worry about it again.
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Had a buddy rip it apart yesterday. Sure enough...pressure relief valve is stuck open. Easy enough to replace. Picked up a Melling the other day. Timing chain is good, already have a cam so I'm just having him replace that tensioner while he's in there replacing the pump. I'll have it back tonight.
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Had a buddy rip it apart yesterday. Sure enough...pressure relief valve is stuck open. Easy enough to replace. Picked up a Melling the other day. Timing chain is good, already have a cam so I'm just having him replace that tensioner while he's in there replacing the pump. I'll have it back tonight.
Did you get the Ls2 dampner or another tensioner?
I hope you went with a dampner bud. The tensioners break ALOT. just my .2
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Did you get the Ls2 dampner or another tensioner?
I hope you went with a dampner bud. The tensioners break ALOT. just my .2
That is exactly what he told me so I made a trip to Mobile to pick up the LS2 dampner. He buttoned everything up last night and it is running like a champ again. The stock tensioner was already showing stress lines on it, so I'm glad I made the trip and spent the extra $23. Well worth it, I think.
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^^^ that's awesome Secret!

God speed on your trip!
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^^^ that's awesome Secret!

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Not to highjack, but what is the prefered Melling oil pump for the LS3 ? If, or when it goes I'd like to have one on hand. NA and gonna stay that way.
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Not to highjack, but what is the prefered Melling oil pump for the LS3 ? If, or when it goes I'd like to have one on hand. NA and gonna stay that way.
10296 is the one you want. *in my Litle88 voice*
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