Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums - Camaro5.com
 
HeadlightArmor
Go Back   Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums - Camaro5.com > General Camaro Forums > 5th Gen Camaro SS LS LT General Discussions

5th Gen Camaro SS LS LT General Discussions General 5th generation Camaro topics not covered by other subforums.

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 07-02-2009, 12:10 PM   #1
TAG UR IT
www.Camaro5store.com
 
TAG UR IT's Avatar
 
Drives: 2014 ZL1 #705
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: SA, Texas
Posts: 26,272
My thoughts on the 5th Gen...from a 9 year 4th Gen owner

Well, the wait is finally over...and after putting 2,100 miles on my new SS over the past week, I can say that I'm thoroughly impressed. Now, where in the world to start....

The looks of this car just blow me away. I've said it from day one. Pictures do not do this car justice. And...I've heard it from so many people as well. Peoples faces just light up when they lay eyes on this car for the first time. They can't stop walking around it, looking inside, standing back, just to take it all in. It REALLY IS that much better in person.

But, we all know this car has the amazing looks already. So, let's get down to the nitty gritty.

PERFORMANCE.

I've driving 4th Gens for 9 years now. I know how they handle and I know what I can do when and where to make my 02 SS react in certain ways. So, the best comparison for the new 5th Gen is it's predecessor, the 4th Gen.

For starters, when I first got into the new 5th Gen, it felt a little sluggish in the low end. I was actually kind of worried. There didn't seem to be much torque and I didn't get that neck snapping feeling when I pushed down on that go peddle. That kind of scared me. Here I was in a perfectly good 4th Gen that took me from 0 to WOAH!!! in no time. And now? I've gotten myself into something that didn't give me that same reaction. Well, THAT CHANGED.

I only got on it once out of Toms dealer just to see (since I was concerned about break in period). We drove it out to Carlisle and back...and were VERY easy on it. I'll get to the long trip info in a sec.

After putting about 550 miles on the car, it was time to head home. THIS is where I found out what the LS3 is capable of.

It feels like the car could use some low end gearing, right? Well, in my opinion, it's almost the same. I could toss in different gears. For now, I'm happy. But, compared to the 4th Gen, it's almost the same. I'm thinking the traction control might be messing with me a bit and as I learn it more, won't have the same issues. I do feel that the 4th Gen spun the wheels a bit easier. But, give it time...

The top end on this car is where it's at. From 70 on up in 3rd, this car SCREAMS. You could EASILY get this car from 80 to 130 in no time (not that I'm saying I've done that.....just saying....). It pulls like the 4th Gen in the top end AND THEN SOME. For those of you who like to bracket race and always had the other guy in the opposite lane pull out in front of you only to have you chase him down in the end......yeah....and then he turns around and says, "I had no idea how much pull that LS1 has in the top end! It just doesn't stop!!!" Yeah...the LS3 gives those same results...BUT WITH EVEN MORE PULL. It is INCREDIBLE.

The power is there in the 5th Gen. You just have to break in the motor properly and loosen it up, if you know what I mean. At least, this is my experience. I know for a fact that with a CAI, this car is going to move that much quicker. That will be all the power that I need at this time. After the warranty goes, I think a CAM would be in my future to bring up that low end torque. I also think I might add in some gears.

But for now........GM got this right. The LS3 is AWESOME.



COMFORT:

Hands down, the most comfortable Camaro ever built. Yeah, I loved the old "sitting in a cockpit of an aircraft" feeling of the 4th Gen. But, in this car, it's like you are actually sitting a little higher and you can tell this is NO 4th Gen. This is a completely different car. THIS is what it should feel like.

The seats are beyond my expectations. The leather....WOW....the comfort....HOLY CRAP....!!! I sat in those seats for 10 hours each day and I have to say, the only part of me that got sore/tires, was my right knee (from being in the same position). I moved the seat all the way back to stretch out (since I'm 6'2" and I have to move the seat forward to get the right positioning). That stretched out my knee and really helped. But, my back was GREAT. These seats are awesome....and I can't say enough about them. My wife LOVES the fact that there is no longer a hump in the floor board where she sits now... Big improvement there too.

The controls are out of this world. I didn't expect a rubber like feeling to the controls. It is easier to hold, makes it feel more "grippable," and makes the dials feel "real." The controls are not of a 4th Gen. They are of a much higher quality NEW vehicle. I was blown away by the center stack controls as well.

The dash gauges...oh...the colors are BRIGHT. And, you can turn down the brightness if you want....straight to turning of the ambient lighting as well. But, with beautiful blue and orange colors like those, who in the world would want to not show them off??? I had people speeding up to get next to me so they could see the dash colors of my car at night! They loved it!

The Ride:

One MILLION times better than that of the 4th Gen. THIS is where GM outdid themselves. It's like, you can tell this car was not just built to go fast....it was built for the everyday driver as well. The IRS and suspension makes the regular bumps in the roads that I go over every day nearly disappear. The ride is....how can I explain.... My dad owned BMW's and Mercedes cars for a while. He also owned a Cadillac CTS. All of them had WONDERFUL rides. I would put the ride of the Camaro in the same catagory as these cars. I've said it a few times, but it's like driving dads Mercedes. It is SOLID. The window indexing makes the ride QUIET. The cabin noise virtually disappeared compared to the 4th Gen. At 70 mph, it was super quiet in the cabin. I then rolled down the windows and WOOOSH!!!! It was like super noisy, wind blowing, etc. COMPLETELY different and was unexpected. You get used to having the windows up since it is no quiet and nice.

The ride of this car is superior to ANYTHING I have ever owned. All you owners out there know exactly what I'm talking about.

The steering wheels seems larger...a bit different in gripping...and I can't put my hand at the bottom center of the wheel where I usually put i on long trips. It is just comfortable there. But, you have a spoke there making that choice void.

Anyone remember how the front 4th Gens seat belt snap (next to the center console) would rub front to back on the console leaving a white moon like shape from the rubbing? Not on the 5th Gen. The belt snap hook is away from the center console. There will hopefully be no rubbing over time.

I like how the cup holders seem to be lower in the center console than the previous holders. That puts the drink further down in the center console and doesn't mess with your arm when shifting. COOL!

Windshield wipers are freakin cool. They are completely covered by the metal so they don't look like snap on's. Much nicer and much CLEANER.

I LOVE having a trunk. Nuff said, there.

------------------


After 2,100 miles, I can say that the comparison between 4th Gen and 5th Gen is an easy one. Ride, handling, comfort, technology (usb, homelink, etc), top end, EASILY go to the 5th gen. Since I had a couple upgrades to my 4th Gen's intake, I have to say the bottom end goes to my 4th Gen. But, with a CAI, I think the 5th Gen is going to take that cake too.




WINNER: 5th Gen!




Thanks, GM ....for putting out such a great sports car. The fit and finish is beyond my expectations. The quality is out of this world...and the ride....is PHENOMENAL.

I LOVE IT. 100% LOVE IT.

You really out did yourselves!

TAG UR IT is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-02-2009, 12:13 PM   #2
FenwickHockey65
General Motors Aficionado
 
FenwickHockey65's Avatar
 
Drives: 2003 GMC Envoy SLE/2007 Ford F-150
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Florida
Posts: 31,513
Send a message via AIM to FenwickHockey65
__________________
FenwickHockey65's GM Thread!

My Cars: 2003 GMC Envoy SLE, 2007 Ford F-150 XL (State-issued)
Extended Family: 2013 GMC Terrain SLE, 1998 GMC Sonoma SLS Extended Cab

FenwickHockey65 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-02-2009, 12:16 PM   #3
SuperDurski
Co-Founder UCF Car Club
 
SuperDurski's Avatar
 
Drives: 2009 Cobalt SS/TC Sedan
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: UCF
Posts: 29
Great write up TAG, well put.
SuperDurski is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-02-2009, 12:17 PM   #4
LosXC451

 
LosXC451's Avatar
 
Drives: 2010 SS SIM w/ RS
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Miami, Fl
Posts: 1,222
Lol how can You not love a 5th gen?
LosXC451 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-02-2009, 12:18 PM   #5
35th02ss
 
35th02ss's Avatar
 
Drives: 02 SS
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Wallops Island, VA
Posts: 743
Very well written Tag.....Although I've not had that much seat time in a 5th gen I can tell you the change that got my attention was the cockpit. The designers did such an awesome job with this. Funny how you mentioned the knobs and controls. GM spent alot of time on the fit and feel...

Dam I want to go home and get that thing out of the garage now!!!!!!
35th02ss is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-02-2009, 12:20 PM   #6
2010SSRSM6
SoCal C5 Family Member
 
2010SSRSM6's Avatar
 
Drives: My wife crazy with my C5 usage.
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: SoCal
Posts: 5,864
Nice write up Tag! Thanks for the info. Sounds line the ride home went smothly for you. Congrats on finally getting your car home.
__________________
Powered by Cunningham MotorSports
2010SSRSM6 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-02-2009, 12:23 PM   #7
GMtothecore
"That Guy"
 
GMtothecore's Avatar
 
Drives: Camaro SS...........what else?
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: OOOOOOOklahoma where the wind comes sweepin' down the plains.
Posts: 2,402
Sounds awesome TAG, it's finally HOME!
__________________
GMtothecore is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-02-2009, 12:26 PM   #8
super60
Built with Pride "Oshawa"
 
super60's Avatar
 
Drives: 2011 Chev Silverado Z71 Crew
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Camaro Build Team , Oshawa
Posts: 1,357
I'll pass your positive comments to my fellow build team members. Thank You
super60 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-02-2009, 01:40 PM   #9
TAG UR IT
www.Camaro5store.com
 
TAG UR IT's Avatar
 
Drives: 2014 ZL1 #705
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: SA, Texas
Posts: 26,272
^Thanks!

Yeah...it really is that great of a car. I'm still so amazed.

I can't wait to get it to the track for a couple runs to see what it can do. I'm thinking high 12's in this weather.
TAG UR IT is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-02-2009, 01:43 PM   #10
Vash


 
Drives: 00 Blazer
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Texas
Posts: 5,128
Nice report. I can't wait to sit in one myself to check out the seat comfort.
Vash is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-02-2009, 01:50 PM   #11
Outrun
Miss SS ;)
 
Outrun's Avatar
 
Drives: ...
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Pewaukee, WI
Posts: 144
Send a message via AIM to Outrun
WOW! Awesome review!! Thanks for sharing.
__________________
Outrun is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-02-2009, 02:06 PM   #12
PQ
1st State Chevy supporter
 
PQ's Avatar
 
Drives: Hybrid SS Camaro
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Mobile, AL
Posts: 36,761
Send a message via Yahoo to PQ
I never drove a 4th Gen. Rode in plenty but never drove. I would have been SHOCKED if someone put a 4th, over this car.

Great review. You had ME scared when you started in on the power.
__________________
PQ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-02-2009, 02:08 PM   #13
chevy 3
NEcamaro5
 
chevy 3's Avatar
 
Drives: Black 2ss rs 1LE
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: mass
Posts: 3,837
con grats on getting her home. my 1982 z28 has a cool feel also but the 5th gen for me has to be 100 times better. i ask my brother to stand 30 feet from garage wile i pulled her out for fist veiw. i said when you fist see her you will feel tingly but dont worry that will be followed by an uncuntroled smile. try this!!! chevys rule!!!!!!
chevy 3 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-02-2009, 02:14 PM   #14
2SSRS@Gen5diy
Salt & Pepper 2014 Z/28

 
2SSRS@Gen5diy's Avatar
 
Drives: 2010 2SS IOM ,2014 Z/28, 66 Nova
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: By the lake in AZ
Posts: 11,570
Nice you also need i shifter for the car and the CAI from Vararam.
__________________
2SSRS@Gen5diy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-02-2009, 03:03 PM   #15
Dano
 
Dano's Avatar
 
Drives: 2014 Camaro 2SS/RS
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Hubert, NC
Posts: 121
Tag great write up. I agree with you 100%. Like someone else said, I wish I was home so I could drive mine. Only 26 more days then I will be home again.
__________________
Red Hot 2014 2SS/RS LS3, Dual Mode Exhaust, Short Throw Shifter, Mild 2 Wild Exhaust controller, CAGS eliminator and Halo Tunnel Brace.
Dano is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-02-2009, 03:11 PM   #16
speedster
SST...
 
speedster's Avatar
 
Drives: SST Camaro 2010
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: East Coast of Florida
Posts: 6,057
TAG -

Great write-up. The 5th gen is a Grand Slam, Home Run. GM really knocked it out of the park on this one and Mike and his Team Camaro guys put it all together the RIGHT way !!!

Thanks for the 4th gen comparison and review.
__________________
speedster is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-02-2009, 03:36 PM   #17
radz28
Petro-sexual
 
radz28's Avatar
 
Drives: Ultra-Grin
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Crapramento, Crapifornia
Posts: 13,039
Great review TAG'. I guess I won't be looking into adding SFCs to this car now, LOL. I bet the more you run that baby in, over the next couple thousand miles, the better it will feel yet! After only sitting in a 2SS this week, I can see where you're coming from on the interior and feel.

I can't wait to finally get mine
__________________
"...What IS true: We anticipated that this would happen - we are never finished - and yes, Ford DOES deserve to win now and then. To think that GM can come out with a car to make ford throw in the towel is simply foolhardy..." - fbodfather
radz28 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-02-2009, 03:54 PM   #18
CamaroSpike23
Mr. Nitpicky
 
CamaroSpike23's Avatar
 
Drives: anything I can get my hands on
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: anywhere and everywhere
Posts: 22,861
Send a message via Yahoo to CamaroSpike23
so when you coming to SC?
__________________
Never race anything you can't afford to light on fire and push off a cliff
Quote:
Originally Posted by BowtieGuy View Post
Nobody makes CamaroSpike happy. You just disgust him a little less than other people.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bulldogwinters View Post
Read that link that Spike posted, it'll tell you everything you need to know.
Quote:
Originally Posted by WheelmanSS View Post
Post count is truly an accurate measure of how cool someone is on the Internet.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Greg Norris View Post
I piss excellence
and fart awesomeness
Quote:
Originally Posted by BowtieGuy View Post
Nobody makes CamaroSpike happy. You just disgust him a little less than other people.
"You can think I'm wrong, but that's no reason to quit thinking.”
Quote:
Originally Posted by Overflow View Post
But not all people were born awesome like you, Spike.
CamaroSpike23 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-02-2009, 05:01 PM   #19
myblackcamaros
 
myblackcamaros's Avatar
 
Drives: #156 ZL575, 97 SS, 87 IROC-Z
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: EUSTIS, FL
Posts: 490
Quote:
Originally Posted by 35th02ss View Post
Very well written Tag.....Although I've not had that much seat time in a 5th gen I can tell you the change that got my attention was the cockpit. The designers did such an awesome job with this. Funny how you mentioned the knobs and controls. GM spent alot of time on the fit and feel...

Dam I want to go home and get that thing out of the garage now!!!!!!
Me too, I'm trying to keep the miles off but I want to drive the freaking tires off this thing!
__________________
myblackcamaros is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-02-2009, 05:36 PM   #20
Kyle.Gilmour
Charter Circle Member
 
Kyle.Gilmour's Avatar
 
Drives: 427 LSX- with TWINS
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Back in Michigan!! Do miss ATX and my Tejas friends
Posts: 2,748
Send a message via AIM to Kyle.Gilmour
enjoyed the read.

Only got to drive my sisters for 6 miles this past weekend.... but it felt good. I can't wait to feel my car.

Did you mention somewhere else that you turned the AC on and the Seat heaters? How did that work out for you?
__________________
Kyle.Gilmour is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-02-2009, 05:47 PM   #21
volboy23
 
volboy23's Avatar
 
Drives: an SS.....
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: virginia
Posts: 723
Great write up. I can't wait to drive one. I got the chance to sit it one and was amazed by the comfort and the feel of the interior.
volboy23 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-02-2009, 06:00 PM   #22
CWI
Helping Build America
 
CWI's Avatar
 
Drives: 2010 2SS/RS,LS3 2013 Duramax 3500HD
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Nationwide
Posts: 3,736
Quote:
Originally Posted by TAG UR IT View Post
The top end on this car is where it's at. From 70 on up in 3rd, this car SCREAMS. You could EASILY get this car from 80 to 130 in no time (not that I'm saying I've done that.....just saying....). It pulls like the 4th Gen in the top end AND THEN SOME. For those of you who like to bracket race and always had the other guy in the opposite lane pull out in front of you only to have you chase him down in the end......yeah....and then he turns around and says, "I had no idea how much pull that LS1 has in the top end! It just doesn't stop!!!" Yeah...the LS3 gives those same results...BUT WITH EVEN MORE PULL. It is INCREDIBLE.
:
Doug, it's so funny you said that. I got my car last Thursday evening after flying home from work in Wyoming. After my trip down the Oregon coast to see my daughter and grandchildren on Friday, I headed back to Wyoming on Saturday. By the time I got somewhere west of Billings, MT, my car had a bit over 1000 miles on it in different conditions. I had been driving 75 to 80 and getting 23 mpg. To this point I had not had the car over 80mph.

So anyway, while driving through Montana, I looked over at my girlfriend and ask, "wanna see how quick it will go from 80 to 120?" She didn't say a word, just nodded her head yes. So since i am not in law enforcement, I can admit to this. I grabbed 5th gear and floored it, at 120 I backed out for a moment and thought, why not 130? So back to the floor with the throttle, I didn't really time it, but it didn't seem like more than ten seconds. I was watching the speedo more than the tach, but the tach wasn't much over 4500 at 130, in 5th gear!! WOW. The power band is amazing, the pull was still increasing while approaching max HP and still had rpm left over and another gear. In the right place and right conditions, this car is probably capable of around 190. I hit the brakes back down to 80 and it seem as if I was going 40. It was very quiet the whole time and very smooth. I did do this on an interstate with no traffic in front of me, so no risk to others. I just thought it too funny those were the same numbers you posted. Hypotheticly of course.
__________________
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit, what a ride!"
CWI is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-02-2009, 06:02 PM   #23
tones2SS


 
tones2SS's Avatar
 
Drives: 13 Roush S3 05 Dodge Ram Daytona
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Massachusetts
Posts: 2,812
Thumbs up

Hello Tag. Excellent write up. Glad you had a safe/fun trip.
I am an owner of a 4th gen Camaro and can relate to "exactly" some of the points you pointed out here. One would be the "cockpit" feel of the 4th gen. Not too crazy about it, but not too bad. Next, would be the "hump" that the passenger would have to "sit" on if they wanted a ride. lol And lastly would be the trunk. There is actually a trunk in the 5th gen. (Not like I drive my 99 HO SS anyways, so I don't run into these problems.) All excellent points that you hit on.
After reading your review, my mind is still torn between a '69 Camaro that will get the full pro-touring treatment or a 2010 2SS/RS. I know the LS3 is a dynamite engine. (What LSx engine isn't, right??) Man decisions, decisions!!
Thanks for the review. Welcome back!
tones2SS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-02-2009, 06:21 PM   #24
InfernoOrangeSS
VERITAS AEQUITAS
 
InfernoOrangeSS's Avatar
 
Drives: 2012 IOM SS/RS/L99
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Birmingham, AL
Posts: 317
Quote:
Originally Posted by TAG UR IT View Post
Well, the wait is finally over...and after putting 2,100 miles on my new SS over the past week, I can say that I'm thoroughly impressed. Now, where in the world to start....


I LOVE IT. 100% LOVE IT.

You really out did yourselves!

I am glad you are loving your new Camaro! I am hoping to get one maybe early next year.

InfernoOrangeSS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-02-2009, 06:33 PM   #25
CWI
Helping Build America
 
CWI's Avatar
 
Drives: 2010 2SS/RS,LS3 2013 Duramax 3500HD
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Nationwide
Posts: 3,736
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vash View Post
Nice report. I can't wait to sit in one myself to check out the seat comfort.
You shouldn't be dissappointed if you like firm seats. They are firm but very comfy. I drove 1250 miles back to Wyoming and never got uncomfortable, except when I forgot to take my wallet out of my back pocket.
__________________
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit, what a ride!"
CWI is offline   Reply With Quote
 
Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
I'm not sure if I'll buy a 5th Gen. Camaro Moose 5th Gen Camaro SS LS LT General Discussions 68 06-13-2009 05:18 PM
5th Gen Newbie StealthMan 5th Gen Camaro SS LS LT General Discussions 2 02-22-2009 09:48 AM
spotted first 5th gen in TO? Mike88 Canada 4 02-18-2009 03:50 PM
5th gen Cargo space rray200 5th Gen Camaro SS LS LT General Discussions 81 02-05-2008 10:00 AM
5th gen and winter driving rray200 5th Gen Camaro SS LS LT General Discussions 28 03-08-2007 01:55 PM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:43 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.