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Old 07-03-2013, 08:20 AM   #1
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Trouble with passenger window: '05 EXT Trailblazer

Passenger window will not roll down. Button on neither door will work to roll it down and I cannot hear the motor even trying to roll the window down so I'm hoping it may be the motor.

Anyone have any experience with this type deal? What do I need to look for to start troubleshooting?

If it is just the motor, would you go ahead and change out the entire regulator?
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Old 07-03-2013, 03:15 PM   #2
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Passenger window will not roll down. Button on neither door will work to roll it down and I cannot hear the motor even trying to roll the window down so I'm hoping it may be the motor.

Anyone have any experience with this type deal? What do I need to look for to start troubleshooting?

If it is just the motor, would you go ahead and change out the entire regulator?
Tayap79,

Sorry to hear about the issue with your passenger window. I understand the displeasure this causes for you. If you'd like me to schedule an appointment for you to have this inspected, please let me know. There may be some options I can explore for you if this is fixed at a certified dealer.

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Old 07-03-2013, 03:28 PM   #3
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Before changing the motor out make sure you are not getting any power to it, I had an astro van that one of the wires in the drivers side door broke and the passenger side window would not work from either button. It could be a bad switch in the drivers door or a bad wire, or the motor itself. The motor is the most expensive thing so check all other possibilities first.
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Old 07-29-2013, 09:40 PM   #4
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So come to find out the motor and regulator are fine, cannot find a fuse that is no good anywhere. From what I can tell, the switch for the driver's side module is not working to the passenger window. Anyone know a good way to double check?
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Old 07-30-2013, 12:33 PM   #5
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Well my wife has a '99 Lumina and my son has a '98 so I just swap them temporarily, doesn't help you any though does it? You are on the right track though, my son's drivers window switched messed up again to I had to fix it. I'll try and explain this so it makes some sense.
Each drivers door window switch is a DPDT switch, Double Pole, Double Throw. On each of the two poles of the switch there is a NC and NO contact (Normally Closed, Normally Open hence two "throws") When you press the button to open the window the "NO" contacts of the switch close and the "NC"s open. The drivers door switches are the "Masters switches, if the driver operates a window switch none of the other switches can work. The other switches go through the masters and rely on their NC contacts to pass the window motor current.
In a nutshell I believe one of the NC contacts on the drivers door switch for the passenger window has failed. That make any sense?
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Old 07-30-2013, 03:26 PM   #6
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Well my wife has a '99 Lumina and my son has a '98 so I just swap them temporarily, doesn't help you any though does it? You are on the right track though, my son's drivers window switched messed up again to I had to fix it. I'll try and explain this so it makes some sense.
Each drivers door window switch is a DPDT switch, Double Pole, Double Throw. On each of the two poles of the switch there is a NC and NO contact (Normally Closed, Normally Open hence two "throws") When you press the button to open the window the "NO" contacts of the switch close and the "NC"s open. The drivers door switches are the "Masters switches, if the driver operates a window switch none of the other switches can work. The other switches go through the masters and rely on their NC contacts to pass the window motor current.
In a nutshell I believe one of the NC contacts on the drivers door switch for the passenger window has failed. That make any sense?
Yea, bringing back my college courses on me. So if this is the contact is bad the passenger window won't work because the NC contact is no good right?? Hate it cause these things are expensive to replace if I can't get the module apart to try and fix it.
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There is a recall on the door switch module. Not sure if it applies to 2005 or not, but you might want to check that out.

edit: just noticed you're in Altoona -- I'm originally from State College
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The window power circuits usually have a circuit breaker instead of a fuse for overload protection. I've seen them fail before and they can be in odd locations.

On my Tahoe for example, they're small silver boxes hidden in a junction box above the drivers left foot.
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Yea, bringing back my college courses on me. So if this is the contact is bad the passenger window won't work because the NC contact is no good right?? Hate it cause these things are expensive to replace if I can't get the module apart to try and fix it.
It is a possibility. I'll post a picture of what I've worked on, probably similar. The switch tops have a catch on either side in the middle, they all need to be pried off. Most of the little catches are broken on my son's since I've done it twice but they still will stay on enough. Once you have all the rockers tops off you can pull out the white bottom portion and then pull the whole module out of the black casing. Then each switch rocker can be removed to access the switch contacts. Pay close attention to the location and orientation. I was able to clean up the contacts on my son's and get it working. The drivers window rocker had one of the little spring loaded nibs worn down, filed a point back on it and stretched the little spring a bit and swapped that rocker for a back window one that doesn't get used much.
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Old 08-07-2013, 05:51 PM   #10
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Welp...update: There are no actual switches on for these windows. The windows are controlled by modules in the doors. I thought I narrowed down my problem to being a faulty passenger door module. I showed power to the module but nothing coming to the motor wires whenever pressing up or down on the windows. I replaced the modules today with another one...no dice. What am I missing?
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There is a recall on the door switch module. Not sure if it applies to 2005 or not, but you might want to check that out.

edit: just noticed you're in Altoona -- I'm originally from State College
The recall was on 2006 and 07 models.
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Old 08-07-2013, 06:09 PM   #12
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Welp...update: There are no actual switches on for these windows. The windows are controlled by modules in the doors. I thought I narrowed down my problem to being a faulty passenger door module. I showed power to the module but nothing coming to the motor wires whenever pressing up or down on the windows. I replaced the modules today with another one...no dice. What am I missing?
Just wondering is your child lockout switch on the drivers door pushed in? Do any of the other windows not work from their switches?
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Old 08-07-2013, 06:16 PM   #13
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Just wondering is your child lockout switch on the drivers door pushed in? Do any of the other windows not work from their switches?
Every other window works from the driver's door except for the right front. Perhaps the DDM not communicating properly with the passenger door module?
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Every other window works from the driver's door except for the right front. Perhaps the DDM not communicating properly with the passenger door module?
So the right front works from the switch on that door but not from the drivers switch?
You say you changed the passengers module. How about the drivers module?
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Old 08-07-2013, 06:23 PM   #15
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So the right front works from the switch on that door but not from the drivers switch?
You say you changed the passengers module. How about the drivers module?
No, passenger side does not work from the passenger side nor the drivers side. I swapped the door modules to 'test' them....the driver's side door worked on the passenger side and rolled down the window, so the motor and regulator are good. The passenger side module test on the driver's side window did nothing however, which lead to me to think it was a bad module since I had power to the thing.
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No, passenger side does not work from the passenger side nor the drivers side. I swapped the door modules to 'test' them....the driver's side door worked on the passenger side and rolled down the window, so the motor and regulator are good. The passenger side module test on the driver's side window did nothing however, which lead to me to think it was a bad module since I had power to the thing.
I know usually the drivers side switch is wired differently than the passengers side. And the power has to go through the drivers side switch before it goes to the other switches, I think it still may be in the drivers module.
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Try swapping the module out to the passenger side, roll the window down with it, then swap it back, see if the window will then roll up with either button.
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check the data wire in the door jamb - common occurrence on the trucks so I imagine the trail blazer is similar in routing. Tech 2 can find it - if you have power and ground to the module I am going to bet this is where you will find your problem.
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check the data wire in the door jamb - common occurrence on the trucks so I imagine the trail blazer is similar in routing. Tech 2 can find it - if you have power and ground to the module I am going to bet this is where you will find your problem.
Think it would be in the passenger side or driver side since both do not work?
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crap shoot really guessing which one without the Tech 2
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