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Old 07-04-2013, 07:29 PM   #1
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Going for the cam upgrade

I just made an appointment with Vengeance Racing to have their Kaotik cam package installed and tuned(very excited) I still have a few weeks til the install and wanted to get opinions of this package
Vengeance Racing Custom Camshaft-Kaotik
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is there anything else i may be forgetting that would be a smart investment at time of install or any questions i should ask them
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Old 07-04-2013, 07:34 PM   #2
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You have a GOOD TUNER
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Old 07-04-2013, 07:37 PM   #3
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I should have mentioned the only modification so far is kooks long tubes with hi flow cats and magnaflow cat back
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Old 07-04-2013, 07:39 PM   #4
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Get a vararam or CAI.
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Looks like everything is covered! Your in good hands! Keep us posted!
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Old 07-04-2013, 07:49 PM   #6
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I have been thinking about the vararam or cai but my next upgrade (hopefully)in the next 12 months will be a Whipple install. so can i still use the vararam after that or will i be buying a new one?
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Old 07-04-2013, 07:51 PM   #7
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You won't be able to use either. Might as well get a rotofab iirc you can use those or a pipe replacement. Not sure. Check their website.
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Old 07-05-2013, 09:12 AM   #8
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If you know you're going f/i in the future, why not add a cam that's a little more blower friendly?
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Old 07-05-2013, 10:51 AM   #9
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Thats what I did. Saves you extra money when you decide you need a blower cam and have to get it all replaced. Im hoping to have mine in end of July beginning of August
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Old 07-05-2013, 02:38 PM   #10
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I asked the same question and was told that cam was built with the whipple in mind. If that info is not correct let me know
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I asked the same question and was told that cam was built with the whipple in mind. If that info is not correct let me know
It works good with a whipple! I guy on here skip1718 or something like that, has the same setup!!! You'll be fine!
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Old 07-05-2013, 04:48 PM   #12
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Thanks for the input. I just want to get it right the first time
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Thanks for the input. I just want to get it right the first time
An n/a cam that is capable of supporting 500 rwhp will have issues that a mild blower cam capable of 700 rwhp with boost won't have. With 10psi, you can get by with a very civilized cam and still make big power. If you like a little surge, buck, and shake, go for it. A big ole rumpy n/a cam can make big power with boost. Just know that a well designed blower cam can make just as much power and still have perfect manners.
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What kind of issues?
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I have been thinking about the vararam or cai but my next upgrade (hopefully)in the next 12 months will be a Whipple install. so can i still use the vararam after that or will i be buying a new one?
I would get the ADM Race CAI! You can use it now AND after you add your Whipple!
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Old 07-05-2013, 10:42 PM   #16
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I would get the ADM Race CAI! You can use it now AND after you add your Whipple!
Thanks. Reading up on it now.
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Thanks. Reading up on it now.
FYI, Adm made 910rwhp and 1000 tq thru this exact same CAI on a ZL1 for a customer. And several of the fastest cars on the fast list run the ADM CAI. Excellent choice for power and versatility in case you decide to go supercharged!
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Old 07-06-2013, 07:42 AM   #18
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What kind of issues?
Talk to Ron again about your cam choice to make sure you are comfortable. Vengeance knows what they are doing with LS engines in any configuration - be it n/a, boosted ( turbo or s/c ) - however you want to make the power. They developed the Kaotic and they know where and how it makes power be it n/a or boosted. Many replying here are just guessing.
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A cam with 13 degrees of overlap will have a few issues at slower speeds. Your car will have a bad assed idle, will shake a little at stoplites, will surge and buck a little at 1400 to 1700 rpm in high load low speed situations. Yes, you can shift to a lower gear to get away from that. If you're OK with that, you may be fine with the bigger n/a cam. I've seen it too often where folks get tired of the big cam issues after a while. The other side of that coin, is that some wouldn't have it any other way. It's a personal preference thing. All I'm sayin' is that you need to know what you're getting into.

A 222/234 116lsa blower cam will still have a mean sounding idle, will give you a nice bump in power n/a, won't do the surge shake and buck thing, and will get near stock like fuel eco (as long as you keep your foot out of it). That's the difference between a cam with 13 degrees of overlap and one with a negative 4 degrees of overlap. Less overlap is better manners wise.
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Thanks for the input. the car is not a daily driver it is just my weekend fun car. so i think i can live with the minor bucking on the low end. the rough idle is the biggest reason for choosing this cam. i think i would be happy with the power the whipple would give with a basic tune and the stock cam. but that sound of a big cam reminds me of when i was young and my dad and uncles were building hot cars. I really appreciate the input.it is nice to have fellow enthusiast help guide me in the right direction.
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Thanks for the input. the car is not a daily driver it is just my weekend fun car. so i think i can live with the minor bucking on the low end. the rough idle is the biggest reason for choosing this cam. i think i would be happy with the power the whipple would give with a basic tune and the stock cam. but that sound of a big cam reminds me of when i was young and my dad and uncles were building hot cars. I really appreciate the input.it is nice to have fellow enthusiast help guide me in the right direction.
Sounds like a killer combo. Enjoy
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What he said and yeah the Kaotic works great with a Whipple. Ron and the gang was going to put the Kaotic in my car but decided on going with one of their Spec Cams.Run an EForce here. A year later put gas and change the oil once in awhile and stomp on it.Couldn't be happier. They do great work.
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damn mine is closer to 20 degrees of overlap but I love it
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A cam with 13 degrees of overlap will have a few issues at slower speeds. Your car will have a bad assed idle, will shake a little at stoplites, will surge and buck a little at 1400 to 1700 rpm in high load low speed situations. Yes, you can shift to a lower gear to get away from that. If you're OK with that, you may be fine with the bigger n/a cam. I've seen it too often where folks get tired of the big cam issues after a while. The other side of that coin, is that some wouldn't have it any other way. It's a personal preference thing. All I'm sayin' is that you need to know what you're getting into.

A 222/234 116lsa blower cam will still have a mean sounding idle, will give you a nice bump in power n/a, won't do the surge shake and buck thing, and will get near stock like fuel eco (as long as you keep your foot out of it). That's the difference between a cam with 13 degrees of overlap and one with a negative 4 degrees of overlap. Less overlap is better manners wise.
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Old 08-02-2013, 08:56 PM   #24
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Vengeance finished my car today and I love the new attitude and sound. I will post Dyno sheets tomorrow. Just a lil feedback for those interested. The car does surge and buck just a little bit but I can live with it. It only happens on decel or very light throttle cruising. The traffic was really heavy today for my 2 hour drive home so I didn't really get a chance to play but I did notice she pulls very smooth and I can tell there is more power when driving in 6th on the highway. I never felt the need to downshift for a larger hill or to pass. And at least 3 different times I stopped at a red light and people were checking it out and rolling down the windows to hear it. Definitely gets attention
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Old 08-03-2013, 07:59 PM   #25
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