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Old 03-02-2008, 07:43 PM   #1
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Headers on a V6?

I've heard a lot of people say that it's really not worth it to put headers on the V6, but I've heard just as many people say it is, so I ask you guys, what do you think? Any recommendations on specific models/places to buy the necessary parts, and problems one might run into.

(And we're talking high-performance cat, and probably a flowmaster cat-back, not just slapping headers on the engine, and having garbage behind them.)

edit: The 3800 V6.
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Old 03-02-2008, 07:51 PM   #2
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do not, I repeat, DO NOT buy the RK Sport headers if they are still offered... a friend of mine bought some from them for his '97 RS and it was the worst mistake he ever made... it took a million and one tries to get them in and they never fit correctly and constantly blew out gaskets... so I can for sure steer you away from them... other than that, its just another engine, so I'm sure that it would gain some hp and tq by adding them.
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Old 03-02-2008, 08:49 PM   #3
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I had a V6 camaro I just traded in and it had 150K+ miles on it and I got 5K for it. Headers are worth it. get the Jet Hot Pacesetter headers 3" down pipe and 3" Y pipe. I had a 3" random tech high flow cat, and 3" magnaflow cat back. Ive had to pop my hood to show people that I had a V6 under the hood. the only thing is theres a wait for those headers because people dont buy a lot of 3.8L headers so theyre made to order. After you install them wait a 2-4 weeks and tighten down the header bolds again. google full throttle performance parts, Josh York (5025525467 is his #)is the sells manager, they have everything you can think of for the 3.8L even internals.

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Old 03-02-2008, 09:12 PM   #4
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headers are worth it (long tubes anyway...) for any vehicle. do you have to worry about emissions? swap all that crap out. tho if you can go with magnaflow over blowmaster. just keep in mind, you cant make a v-6 sound like a v-8. tho i have heard some decent v-6's with catbacks. but they get whiny as the rpms go up
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but they get whiny as the rpms go up
my exhaust never sounded whiney????
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Old 03-03-2008, 03:54 PM   #6
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my exhaust never sounded whiney????
maybe not in every instance, but there will always be a tonal difference between v-8 and v-6 exhaust notes. do you have a clip of yours? ill throw one of mine up so we can compare....lol
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Old 03-06-2008, 03:21 PM   #7
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Awesome advice guys, and no, I don't have to worry about emissions.
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t-ford.... my exhaust clips are up...where's urs? lol
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Old 09-27-2009, 08:58 AM   #9
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Installed V-6 headers years ago. Just FYI give a visual check first at what your getting into. One car we did was a MAJOR pain in the a$$ due to old rusted bolts...ended up giving them an overnight soak in KB Blaster and then using our easy tool to get those bolt heads that were no longer existant. Not something you want to tackle after you have a few bolts out but had to be completed once we were into the install that far. Car was noticably louder/faster after install. For the cost of the parts and some DIY elbow grease, I say go for it!
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Old 09-27-2009, 02:12 PM   #10
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I like v6 4th gens. Just feel more nimble and easier to toss around than either the LT1 or LS1 I've owned. Very different dynamic, even though they arent as fast they are still fun as hell to drive.
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Old 09-27-2009, 06:42 PM   #11
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Do u even know what rice is? its some sort of honda civic crap with a custom exhaust not a v6 camaro. And shouldnt u be on some high class forum cus the rest of us might not be up to ur standards. i mean seriously
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Old 09-27-2009, 06:54 PM   #12
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t-ford.... my exhaust clips are up...where's urs? lol
Well here is a good sounding v6

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Old 10-01-2009, 01:02 PM   #13
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and by the way it is a 3800 V6 ....
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Old 10-03-2009, 11:24 AM   #14
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RK headers worked fine for me

SilverTurtle wrote advising to stay away from RK Sports headers.

I respecfully differ. I bought a set for my '95 Bird from RK Sports (based in California).

I recall that the box and the invoice pointed to an specific maker which was not RK Sports, i.e., RK Sports simply ditributed them.

I will have to look in my car log to be specific, but from the top of my head I seem to recall the name of the manufacturer was JBL or something very close to it.

I got ceramic coated headers, a Random Tech "Cat"-Converter, and TFX CATBACK SYSTEM (these are the pipes going from the cat-converter to the exhaust silencer) that is about 4 1/4 inches wide, plus a Pace Setter silencer/muffler with chromed tips.

There was a tremendous improvement on the car's performance across the whole range of revs. Even though I did some timming back then and also used a G-Tech device to messure the improvements there were also several other modifications I did before I installed the exhaust mods and some other done simultaneously so I cannot offer an specific indication on what was achieved by the exhaust system alone.

Only drawbacks are: (1) the gaskets between the headers and the engine exhaust ports are destroyed at a rate much higher than you would expect and (2) both the clamp attaching the cat-converter to the back pipe and the crosspipe which connects the driver side headers to the y pipe that collects the right side headers and goes to the cat-back become the lowest points of the car.

This means that if you have also lowered the suspension on your pony car (like I did mine) these points will scrap continuously at parking/garage ramps, street traffic bumps, etc..

The clamps issues are not so bad as you can replace them easily but the crosspipe is a real problem : it will get a lot of hits.

Seems to me that in the effort to stay clear of the oil pan the manufacturer gave the pipe a forward bent or twist that unnecessarily lowers it 3/4 of an inch from where it should have rested.

I got so many bumps and bruises on mine that I bought another one just in case (whcih was not cheap since to buy that back-up pipe I had to buy another y-pipe as well as they were sold as a set).

Also I have to contiuously order and keep a personal stock of gaskets as they are not always available!!! (I got them mostly from SUMMIT)

However all this is ancient history as I did it more than 10 years ago!!

The real problem you will be facing Justin, I believe, is the difficulty to find anybody still selling exhaust modification parts for the 4th generation V-6.

You will either have to have them custom made (always expensive but you will get a much better fit) or take what you can find and live with it.

Good luck!!

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Old 10-05-2009, 03:53 AM   #16
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The real problem you will be facing Justin, I believe, is the difficulty to find anybody still selling exhaust modification parts for the 4th generation V-6.

You will either have to have them custom made (always expensive but you will get a much better fit) or take what you can find and live with it.

theres quiet a few people still making parts for the 4th gen V6, you need to check out some of these forums

www.firebird*******

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www.v6f-body.com

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Old 10-05-2009, 04:24 AM   #17
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I have just a flowmaster cat back on my 97 rs 3.8 and ppl dont believe its a v6. if i had headers,,,wow, i could def get away with puttin z28 badges on it lol [would never do that btw]
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Old 10-05-2009, 11:19 AM   #18
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To Fbodyrs96:

Thank you for the links to manufacturers/distributors still caring for the 4th Gen F-Body V6.

In my experience is harder and harder getting improvement parts/mods for this vehicle.

That's why I pointed out the custom build option.

To Legend17:

I have had the same experience. A complete cat-back system changes the sound in a dramatic manner.

However there is another fact which I forgot to write about: there is a distinct difference in the sound made by a V6 set up with regular headers, a V6 withceramic coated headers or one with chromed headers.

Somebody else referred to a sound reminiscent of japanese/corean built 4 cylinders (rice beaters?? - no derogatory remark intended).

I'm not sure if those engines sound the same, but the sound of a V6 with regular headers and even that of some chromed headers tends to be high pitched...no one will be fooled into thinking it is a V8.

All the ceramic coated V6 headers I have heard on 4th Gen F-Bodies and most chromed ones do seem to have a deeper sound, plus there is something about the V6 SFI timing that definitely confuses people about the number of cylinders in your engine bay.

I got mine ceramic coated trying to maintain low temperature ranges in the engine compartment (I did this and many other mods in consideration of the predominant high air temperatures and humidity of the area where I live).

The deeper and richer sound was an unexpected (lucky!) and welcomed reward to my efforts!

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I got the full intake, headers, and exhaust on my 3800 and people always ask me if I have an SS. By the way totally worth it, will post sound clip later.
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Whisper Lid Carbon fiber look, Pacesetter Headers with 3 in. Y-Pipe all Ceramic coated , SLP loudmouth 2, 3 in. pipes all the way through, stock cat(CARB).
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almost forgot, Fast Toys ram air intake duct.
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I had Pacesetter headers and Flowmaster Exhaust, dual pipe exhaust on my 96 Camaro, V6.... and it sounded AMAZING ... everyone thought it was a V8...

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How much of an increase in horsepower? How much of a decrease in gas mileage?
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How much of an increase in horsepower? How much of a decrease in gas mileage?
with doing full exhaust you only get gas mileage loss if you cant keep your foot out of it. I had an 89' chevy PU with full exhaust and was getting around 19 city and about 21-22 highway. It willl only improve if you can contain yourself
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