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Old 07-06-2013, 08:17 PM   #1
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Post Lowering question for 1LE

I replaced the factory springs with a set of Eibach Pro Kit springs today. Once I finished up, I took it around the block to feel the ride and let the suspension settle. After parking it I noticed that the front wheels are sticking out past the fender. It may have been that way before and I just never noticed. It is not a negative or positive camber issue as it is pretty uniform. It kind of has me worried in the event that I hit a large bump and the wheel hits the upper fender. Anyone else notice this on their car? It will be getting a four wheel alignment on Tuesday at my local Chevy dealership.





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Old 07-06-2013, 08:38 PM   #2
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Hmmm...mine is sitting on Pfadt 1.25" and just looked, flush with fender like the rear (305s on mine). Dunno
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Old 07-06-2013, 08:40 PM   #3
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Im dropped on Pfadts 1 - 1 1/4" drop springs and no real issues with rubbing and have full turn radius.
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Old 07-06-2013, 09:48 PM   #4
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I think the turn radius is going to be fine, it just looks weird. The rear tires are flush. I just can't see how swapping out springs would push both of the wheels outward.
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Old 07-06-2013, 11:05 PM   #5
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If you have not done so already you mite post this in the Suspension , chassis part of the forum you mite get more help there .
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Old 07-07-2013, 06:37 AM   #6
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I went ahead and posted it over in the suspension section. I initially posted it over here since our cars have a wider front wheel than the standard SS.
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Old 07-07-2013, 09:26 AM   #7
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When you swapped springs the upper slotted Strut bolt hole probably didn't get lined up in the exact position it was before.

Once you get it aligned with the correct negative camber,it won't look to be sticking out from the fender anymore.

It has nothing to do with your spring swap.
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Old 07-07-2013, 10:16 AM   #8
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When you swapped springs the upper slotted Strut bolt hole probably didn't get lined up in the exact position it was before.
This.

Even in the pictures it looks like the cambers are actually positive (when what you want them to be is slightly negative). Negative camber will pull the tops of the tires inward.


FWIW, if the strut fasteners had been put back exactly where they were originally, the lowered ride height would pull the cambers more negative, not less (and certainly not over into positive).


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Old 07-07-2013, 11:47 AM   #9
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When you get the alignment,first time the bushings!
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Old 07-08-2013, 09:01 AM   #10
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FWIW, if the strut fasteners had been put back exactly where they were originally, the lowered ride height would pull the cambers more negative, not less (and certainly not over into positive).
How would you fix this, if that happened?

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Old 07-08-2013, 09:51 AM   #11
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Adjust cambers using the adjustment method shown in one of the Pedders pages. It doesn't appear to be very difficult to do, and you could use a digital angle finder to measure your results if you're up to making a DIY attempt at this (seriously).

Keep in mind that as camber varies, toe usually does as well, and you really want to get that fixed. Bad toe is quite a lot harder on tires than a similar amount of camber error.


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Old 07-08-2013, 11:57 AM   #12
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If you have not had the alignment and bushings timed since your spring install,I would have it done ASAP.
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Old 07-08-2013, 12:01 PM   #13
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Old 07-08-2013, 02:53 PM   #14
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I made the alignment appointment for Wednesday morning. It will be parked until then!
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Yep an alignment should cure the issue. What happened most likely, is the bolts were tightened while the suspension was drooping. I will sometimes even put a jack under the rotor to lift everything into place and then tighten the bolts. Let us know how it goes after the alignment!

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Old 07-17-2013, 12:16 AM   #16
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Did the alignment solve your issue ?
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Old 07-17-2013, 12:39 PM   #17
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Sorry for the delayed post, were out of state on vacation. The alignment did not tuck the wheels back in. I looked at a ZL1 on the lot and the wheels stick out like my car. I think it is just the wider wheels on the 1LE.
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Sorry for the delayed post, were out of state on vacation. The alignment did not tuck the wheels back in. I looked at a ZL1 on the lot and the wheels stick out like my car. I think it is just the wider wheels on the 1LE.
Please post your alignment specs.
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Old 07-17-2013, 02:19 PM   #19
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Its not with me. I had them just align it back to factory specs. I bought the car for looks, not the track!!!!
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Old 07-31-2013, 07:32 PM   #20
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Sorry for the delayed response to my own thread! We took the kids to the mountains and have been busy catching back up with work. I took a few photos of the front wheels this evening to show the front tires. I forgot to get a spec sheet from the dealership after it was aligned. The same guys that work at my local dealership also work at a local speed shop. I asked them to align it to factory specs since I wont be tracking the car. I called to see if they could give me a spec sheet and it had already been wiped from the system. After looking at the photos, it seems as if I may have a little positive camber which is not good.







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Old 07-31-2013, 08:14 PM   #21
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After looking at your car and while standing in my garage staring at mine it appears to be 100% a camber, or lack of negative camber situation. I have -1.3/-1.4 in the front of mine and both tires are barely tucked under the fender. My car came with right about -1.0 from the factory so it looked similar to the way it does now. It has never looked like yours. The thread link below you can see my alignment sheet and that the factory setting starts at -0.3 which is virtually straight up and down to an aggressive -1.8. The tech very well may have it "in spec" but you may want to ask for a little more performance oriented alignment with closer to the -1.0 degree mark.

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Use a roofing square so that you'll have better confidence that what you think is perpendicular to the pavement really is (that narrow width base on a yardstick will be more susceptible to local pavement roughness and unevenness which introduces error). Then see where the gap is.


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Old 07-31-2013, 08:23 PM   #23
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That's perfectly normal. Nothing wrong with your car, that is how these wheels fit. They are 20x10 with 23mm offset. They will stick out on any camaro 1/2" to 1" passed the fender. You probably just didn't notice it before because the tires weren't that close to the fender. After a drop they get a lot closer and that made you notice it.
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I would bet a dollar all the alignment shop did was adjust the Toe

It is much more time consuming to adjust the Camber if the shop does not have the Air Bag "thingy" or know about the threaded holes to accept bolts to adjust,especially if they are not familiar with the Zeta Chassis.

I would confront them about that because it is very obvious the Camber is not correct from the pics as it certainly looks to be positive.
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That's perfectly normal. Nothing wrong with your car, that is how these wheels fit. They are 20x10 with 23mm offset. They will stick out on any camaro 1/2" to 1" passed the fender. You probably just didn't notice it before because the tires weren't that close to the fender. After a drop they get a lot closer and that made you notice it.
I agree... I will say with certainty that your car sits like all other ZL1's I have seen with these wheels. I have 275/40's on the same wheels and they do not stick out. The fact that the OEM wheels are 10mm's wider and have very pronounced lip protection makes them stick out like they do. My wheel and tire set up (275/315 Nitto NT05's) will likely not handle as well, but do appear to "fit" better...
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