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Old 07-16-2013, 07:28 PM   #69
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Personally I see no reason why we couldn't make the Z28 just as powerful as some of C6Z06's that we build.
There's your answer.
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Old 07-16-2013, 07:45 PM   #70
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If people are touting the Z28 as a HPDE or track day car, and not for any sanctioned racing at all, why spend 70K on it if all you want to do is go fast around a track and beat your own time? You can do it for a lot less money, with a lot lighter platform, with a much better suspension if you don't care about being within rules of any race organization.
I would like to know what car Dekl thinks is going to best it for under 70k?

thepill and all these pony car folks are pretty funny on that site.

This car is going to hammer the zo6 and likely anything it comes across. A "better suspension"...wink wink.

The good folks at NASA Northeast WILL find a place for it if you want to cage it and race it.

And no pill, I didn't move up to racing from hpde...I moved across to hpde from racing and I will run this on the street THOUSANDS of miles and track it hard and will feel very comfortable in it compared to my last 2 cars...keep up yer bitchin it's fun to read!!!

and the poster who said "inside info" over 70k will not post any link as expected but I think it will be higher when you see the ring time and the big bowl of crow many will be eating. I can only hope to get one.

why are there so many threads and excitement???...because some are happy and some are scared it is likely to set the bar very high for ford and srt.

"We have never built ANYTHING as mean as this!!!"...if this is a true quote from a GM engineer...well well well.
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...Fun topic/comparison....(I gave up trying to do my own tune-ups and mods when they went with electronic ignitions and started doing smog checks...lol...)

...Sort of a lot of terminology similarities and ironys....the LS7 is a 427, but not a big block...ZL-1 was an aluminum big block, but for the drags only, not road racing....First z/28s had 305 cast iron small blocks for track and weight purposes....The LS7 is an aluminum block for the road-coarse, not drag races for the new Z/28...lol....all good...
Actually, the ZL1 engine was an afterthought on the Camaro...it was developed for the Vette for road racing, and was a production (read: warrantable) version of the Can Am 430/494 program. Dick Harrell and Fred Gibb encouraged/assisted Vince Piggins to consider the ZL1 for a Camaro drag race-specific program. 50 required (by Chev AND NHRA), 50 ordered, initially.

The 1st Z/28s needed under-305" engines to qualify for Trans Am. The resulting 302 was a shelf item: 327 (or 350) 4" bore block with a 283-spec 3" stroke forged steel crank. Presto! 302"!!

The limitation for drag racing the LS7 Camaro is its non-ZL1 carrier...which, for those interested, is a shelf item swap.

The beauty of Chev's program abilities, even today, comes from myriad parts availability/swapability...and that all stems from a memo written in late-'53...by Zora Arkus Duntov.

The exhorbitant cost of the '69 COPO 9560 (aka ZL1) Camaros, and the likely high-cost of the '14-'15 Z/28 are DIRECTLY related: A car has to cover its development co$t$, no matter how much and no matter how few are built...there's no free ride from some other department's budget(s).
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I think reason # 3 can get repeated lol. 427 Camaro, I don't care who you are, or what brand you prefer, 427 Camaro just sounds awesome
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If you just want a track day car, an Ariel Atom is only $56,500 and will smoke damn near anything on the course.
that's a lot of money for a go-kart
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The Pill is a medically retired military veteran that I have become acquainted with off line over the last few years. He is smart guy and true enthusiast. His only real fault? He loves the wrong brand for most on Camaro5.

When a new production car is built, rarely does the manufacturer take into consideration what class it will run as determined by whatever sanctioning body. The new C7 delivers higher levels of performance than any other previous generation base model Vettes. When the higher performance versions are built sanctioning bodies will be scratching their heads to accommodate existing cars their members have built and the new cars. They will take a guess in year one and revise from there. If you want to race a Z/28 I am confident there will be classes to accommodate you.

BTW: If you think Washington is political you haven't been watching racing where they spend their OWN money.

The Z/28 will be what is is designed to be: an amazing version of the 5th Gen with the last of the normally aspirated fuel injected 427s under the hood. Anyone who doesn't understand what a 2014 Z/28 is won't be an owner. Z/28 owners are already lined up at Chevy stores across the country without knowing or caring what the MSRP will be. The next batch of owners are just like the first, but they have a maximum price in mind. Then there are the hopeful owners hoping the price will be less than many of us think it will be.

I could be wrong, but my guess is the number of Z/28s built will align closely with the number of owners, everyone of them thrilled.
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Old 07-17-2013, 01:02 AM   #75
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I would like to know what car Dekl thinks is going to best it for under 70k?
Plenty of cars that you can modify under that price range to just throw around at HPDE events. All I was saying is, with all the money they are asking for it, other then the fact that people would buy it because it's a Z28, there are cheaper ways to dominate other cars at HPDE.
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I would LOVE to have mine up at Laguna Seca and have Randy Pobst do a comparison to the new Z/28 when it comes out. It would be interesting to see what mine would do in the hands of a real pro.
This NEEDS to happen!
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"Some men just want to watch the world burn"

Maybe that's why he posted it with "the Joker" photoshopped behind the wheel? lol

I wish he would have provided links to the SCCA regulations he pointed out, either way the Z/28 is still a beastly beast and I like where the Camaro is going in the future.

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either way the Z/28 is still a beastly beast and I like where the Camaro is going in the future.
The car is very '00 Cobra R'esque and I love it.

Wouldn't buy one even if I could, but I love the point of the car.

I can't wait to see if Ford waits a few years, or jumps right into it with the new platform, to make a GT350/something "R" rated to be comparable and take back the road course throne from GM at the present time.
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The car is very '00 Cobra R'esque and I love it.

Wouldn't buy one even if I could, but I love the point of the car.

I can't wait to see if Ford waits a few years, or jumps right into it with the new platform, to make a GT350/something "R" rated to be comparable and "TRY" to take back the road course throne from GM at the present time.
Fixed that for ya.
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"Some men just want to watch the world burn"

Maybe that's why he posted it with "the Joker" photoshopped behind the wheel? lol

I wish he would have provided links to the SCCA regulations he pointed out, either way the Z/28 is still a beastly beast and I like where the Camaro is going in the future.

Nick C.
That's not the Joker.....that's an actual pic of "The Pill". He said it was taken at a mascarade party a few years back & even posted the original pic.

Creepy eh??
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Fixed that for ya.
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That's not the Joker.....that's an actual pic of "The Pill". He said it was taken at a mascarade party a few years back & even posted the original pic.

Creepy eh??
hahahah

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Fixed that for ya.
Youre right, my bad.

my silly self should have know what happens when you say zomething will happen...like when GM said theyd make a car faster than the gt500...

Bazinga!! :-)

Im interested to see just how well Fords first independent rear mustang stacks up to the likes of a 1le....

ford did such an excellent job nearly mastering their solid rear, but gms already several years into their irs camaro program (non zl1 here) and their new platform isnt likely to hit until after the mustang, im really excited to see how a track pack equivilant gt handles compared to this or next years 1le.

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Back on topic.... "the Pill"

Speaks with precision, intellect, and yes, some bias. However, generally never accused of integrity problems. So, why censor discussion that, depending on "your perception" is very informative, educational, and argumentatively challenging even to the best of engineers and simple hobbyists? I do believe he was banned because his points were too biased in opinions of mods... Who cares? I would have preferred to "filter" out the biases on my own volition and reap the good information he did and does serve up. We're all big kids here eh?
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Back on topic.... "the Pill"

Speaks with precision, intellect, and yes, some bias. However, generally never accused of integrity problems. So, why censor discussion that, depending on "your perception" is very informative, educational, and argumentatively challenging even to the best of engineers and simple hobbyists? I do believe he was banned because his points were too biased in opinions of mods... Who cares? I would have preferred to "filter" out the biases on my own volition and reap the good information he did and does serve up. We're all big kids here eh?
+1 censorship is lame
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