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Old 07-10-2013, 10:52 PM   #1
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Night Fury Cam

I wanted to get a few different opinions on the Night Fury Cam. It sounds amazing and the HP gains are great, but I'm curious as to the drive ability for people who have had it for a while. It is always nice to get the cam and it is ok to drive for a while (been there in general), but how about long term? Too loud, too much bucking, etc? I appreciate the opinions, I have a lot of mods ready to go on the car and am ready to pull the trigger on a cam as well and get the tune all at the same time.
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DO IT!!! Love mine. Wife loves hers. Neighbor loves hers. Shawn and Nick are great guys and have excellent customer service. Can't go wrong with Lethal. They will be at CamaroFest in a couple of weeks. My car and several others will be there as well if you want a ride or just hear it.
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Install it along with the 3.91s in your signature. It will drive like stock except when you get on the skinny pedal.
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Well I have an A6 and had to put a 3200 stall in, so I will say except cruising on the highway mine isn't much like stock. . For the mods I had done, my #'s also came in lower than I expected. I am hoping Shawn can look at it while he is here for the Fest. I do love the sound of the cam!

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Old 07-11-2013, 10:24 PM   #5
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Well I have an A6 and had to put a 3200 stall in, so I will say except cruising on the highway mine drives nothing like stock. Mine was installed and tuned by Mike Norris and I periodically have issues with the idle dropping down to 250 then shooting back up to 800-900 (still trying to tweak it). For the mods I had done, my #'s also came in lower than I expected. I am hoping Shawn can look at it while he is here for the Fest. I do love the sound of the cam!
That's a tune issue, not the cam. I have an L99 and if I did the conversion to LS3 i'd get it if Id stay vvt id get Rhino79's biggest cam and a 3600 stall FTW!
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Old 07-11-2013, 10:33 PM   #6
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I wanted to get a few different opinions on the Night Fury Cam. It sounds amazing and the HP gains are great, but I'm curious as to the drive ability for people who have had it for a while. It is always nice to get the cam and it is ok to drive for a while (been there in general), but how about long term? Too loud, too much bucking, etc? I appreciate the opinions, I have a lot of mods ready to go on the car and am ready to pull the trigger on a cam as well and get the tune all at the same time.
The cam will buck so be prepared for that. If you change the way you drive youll never notice it. I let the engine slow my car down to save some brake pad so Im more susceptible to the bucking than others may be. It only gets bad under 1400rpm. Cruising a parking lot requires more clutch work or you look like a tard going through the aisles. If I were to it over again, Id go smaller since this is a daily driver. It all depends on what you consider "driveable." Depending on your typical drive to work, your gas mileage will go down. When I lived in TX and drove 30 miles one way to work on the hiway, I averaged 16.8mpg. Now that I live in AZ and see no hiway since I live 6 miles from work, Im only averaging 11.4mpg. Gotta pay to play! Good luck!
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That's a tune issue, not the cam. I have an L99 and if I did the conversion to LS3 i'd get it if Id stay vvt id get Rhino79's biggest cam and a 3600 stall FTW!
Oh I completely agree litle88 - nothing wrong with the cam. Just frustrating when you don't see the results you were hoping for. Mike normally puts in a smaller cam (his own grind). I highly respect his knowledge and reputation, just having trouble getting it dialed in. Best I can figure is Shawn does something a bit different in the tune. I was at 460/414 (Night Fury, FAST, Stage 1 heads, UD pulley, Kooks Stepped Headers and Cats, Vigilante 3200). Shawn recommended pulling the FAST off to see if it was losing power. Put stock intake back on and dyno'd 460/412, so the FAST was not doing much. I am hoping to get a ported intake from Shawn to put on.

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Oh I completely agree litle88 - nothing wrong with the cam. Just frustrating when you don't see the results you were hoping for. Mike normally puts in a smaller cam (his own grind). I highly respect his knowledge and reputation, just having trouble getting it dialed in. Best I can figure is Shawn does something a bit different in the tune. I was at 460/415 (Night Fury, FAST, Stage 1 heads, UD pulley, Kooks Stepped Headers and Cats, Vigilante 3200). Shawn recommended pulling the FAST off to see if it was losing power. Put stock intake back on and dyno'd 460/412, so the FAST was not doing much. I am hoping to get a ported intake from Shawn to put on.
wow 460 thru a stalled Auto is no PUNK bud! But im sure the guys at Lethal will help you if they can. Were you using a Nw102 Tb? if not I bet you would of gained some! IMHO

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Thanks all, I love the sound and power as I stated, so I will just pull the trigger. I can work through the high rpm issues during slow drive so that should not be an issue.
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wow 460 thru a stalled Auto is no PUNK bud! But im sure the guys at Lethal will help you if they can. Were you using a Nw102 Tb? if not I bet you would of gained some! IMHO

Keep me posted let me know what happens with your tune.
Will do! I'm a semi lurker, I have been watching posts and idle videos for over 6mos knowing Night Fury was what I had to have! Certainly 460 is nothing to sneeze at considering it was 345 with just the CAI & Catback. That is an awesome gain for N/A no question about it. I was thinking maybe I would see 480hp, but the TQ reading lower is what puzzled me and Shawn. I know that no 2 dynos are alike and the stall could be affecting the numbers I suppose. I have ZERO regrets on my cam choice, and Shawn has even talked to Mike on the phone for me. Mike has made some adjustments for me, but I think I'm at the point where I need Shawn's expertise as he has more experience with this cam.

Here are my dynos, the first one is before/after (with the FAST). The 2nd one is with FAST vs. Stock Intake.
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Old 07-12-2013, 12:11 AM   #11
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114 rwhp is a huge jump. Also 460 rwhp with your A6 is like 480-490 if it was a M6. I may be wrong but did not think that cam would do much over that. Taking in to account you started at 345rwhp with. CAI.
Please keep us updated. I know Mike Norris is very good with the LS motors.

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This cam is no different to tune than any other one, 460 is about right for an auto car depending on the dyno. Everyone's dyno is going vary some.
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460 in a stalled A6 can be quite fun. But bad for tires though.
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114 rwhp is a huge jump. Also 460 rwhp with your A6 is like 480-490 if it was a M6. I may be wrong but did not think that cam would do much over that. Taking in to account you started at 345rwhp with. CAI.
Please keep us updated. I know Mike Norris is very good with the LS motors.
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This cam is no different to tune than any other one, 460 is about right for an auto car depending on the dyno. Everyone's dyno is going vary some.
Yeah, I think Shawn said with heads they have seen up to 480 with A6, but 460 is definitely in the ballpark. It was the torque he felt was off a bit as they normally see at least 430. If I recall Mike has it around 28-29* timing and 12.5-13 A/F. It was surging and bucking more in the 1200-1500 range while cruising but Mike adjusted the trans and that is better. Really the only issue I am having right now is sitting at a stoplight the idle will just drop from 900 to 250, catch itself and shoot back up. Doesn't do it all the time, but freaks me out thinking it might die lol. But I am pretty sure between Mike & Shawn that will get worked out

Shawn said he would port a stock intake for me and I could maybe see 5-10hp more, so since I sold the FAST I will go that route.

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460 in a stalled A6 can be quite fun. But bad for tires though.
I am still getting used to driving with the stall for sure

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what will a stall converter do?
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Here you go, reading this should help: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37093
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Mine was doing a similar thing at idle except in would do it just as the car would start to roll and it would keep getting worse until I stopped or accelrrated. It ended up being something with timing table at idle. Mike is the one figured it out though so I would think he would have tried the same fix on yours.

My numbers were lower on Mikes dyno than Livernois so it may read on the low side. It was 95* at Mikes and only 65* at Livernois but numbers were corrected.
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Do you have a dyno sheet OP? Nice gain.

I was 314 RWHP stock > 367 RWHP headers/cats/ cold air/ udp/tune, going from 367 to 459 would be a nice gain... Would that be 92 RWHP? Dang.
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I wanted to get a few different opinions on the Night Fury Cam. It sounds amazing and the HP gains are great, but I'm curious as to the drive ability for people who have had it for a while. It is always nice to get the cam and it is ok to drive for a while (been there in general), but how about long term? Too loud, too much bucking, etc? I appreciate the opinions, I have a lot of mods ready to go on the car and am ready to pull the trigger on a cam as well and get the tune all at the same time.
A custom grind will always be a better choice, every combo is different.
So it depends on your overall goals.
For a off the shelf, the cam sounds great, and has good peak numbers.
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Also, a dyno is a tuning tool.. Nothing more. Don't get all caught up with numbers, 460 is very good through a stalled auto.
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I have the Livernois 2R MAX cam in mine. 238/245 603/613 114lsa Is there any way to know how much advantage a custom grind cam would have?

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For a off the shelf, the cam sounds great, and has good peak numbers.
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I have the Livernois 2R MAX cam in mine. 238/245 603/613 114lsa Is there any way to know how much advantage a custom grind cam would have?
That's something you sit down and discuss with your tuner. Unless you're going for something different, there are plenty of tried and true off the shelf cams that will fit most needs. Just look at the plentiful dyno sheets to see where the HP and Tq come on and where they peak. Then see if that fits your needs/wants.
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Also, a dyno is a tuning tool.. Nothing more. Don't get all caught up with numbers, 460 is very good through a stalled auto.
I certainly understand and do agree. I think it is more a matter of wanting to get everything possible out of it (for what I spent). It was really my torque coming in lower that puzzled Lethal - and had me looking for a possible cause. But I do understand if I put it on Lethals dyno, it might fall right in line with what they expect. A lot of little factors can affect the final numbers!

For my particular car I did not have the option of getting a manual. So us L99 guys get hit a little harder to do a cam with conversion and stall! I always thought I would supercharge the car but the wife actually preferred I go with a cam. And I must say the result (and sound) is pretty awesome
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I agree 100% just want to be sure we are optimized for what we have spent. My numbers are also lower than expected but feels really good though.
I went from 329hp stock to 442 with my mods so its hard to be to disappointed

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I certainly understand and do agree. I think it is more a matter of wanting to get everything possible out of it (for what I spent). It was really my torque coming in lower that puzzled Lethal - and had me looking for a possible cause. But I do understand if I put it on Lethals dyno, it might fall right in line with what they expect. A lot of little factors can affect the final numbers!

For my particular car I did not have the option of getting a manual. So us L99 guys get hit a little harder to do a cam with conversion and stall! I always thought I would supercharge the car but the wife actually preferred I go with a cam. And I must say the result (and sound) is pretty awesome
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I have the Livernois 2R MAX cam in mine. 238/245 603/613 114lsa Is there any way to know how much advantage a custom grind cam would have?
Depending on your end goals, it makes all the difference. Since you already have a cam, it just comes down to how bad you really want to achieve those goals.

Are you gonna be using nitrous? How big of a shot? Direct port or plate?
Or you going supercharged? What brand? Centri or roots? How much boost?
What brand header? what size primaries? Offroad or high flow cats? 3" or 2.5" exhaust?
Stock gears? or 3.90's? other
Full weight? or stripped?
Stock wheels? or drag pack? 20"? 18"? 15"? Drag radials or slicks?
6l80? 4l80 swap? what brand stall? What stall speed? Have stall built around the cam? or the cam built around the stall? single disk? triple disk? 5 disk?
tr6060 swap? ok what clutch?
scale 1-10, what idle quality do you desire?
max effort cam? or streetability? ok on a scale from 1-10 how streetable?

List goes on.
big duration numbers dont mean anything, the bigger the cam doesnt necessarily translate into bigger numbers.

duration, lobe separation angle, exhaust/intake lift, and even the type of lobes all act differently on any given setup.
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