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Old 07-18-2013, 03:08 PM   #101
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your answer illustrates GM's lost vision. making cars the average person cannot obtain = fail. anything chevrolet is supposed to be for the average person.
For purposes of direct comparisons in the Marketplace, Chev = Ford (for argument's sake, which I'm sure is your objective...)

Ford built 750 BOSS LSs, which was their stated plan from the beginning, correct?

Using your logic (?!), Ford FAILED. I guess if you include that handful of Ford GTs from a few years' back (at more than TWICE the Z/28's price, with little/nothing for it on a road course) was EPIC FORD FAIL NUMBER 2! (again, using your well-thought-out logic)

Again, for argument's sake, let's say the Z/28 Program co$t$ $10KK, BEFORE product additions/deletions. Based on a 1,000 units, that's $10 GRAND per car, just to arrive at the dealers' doors, before anyone makes a dime. Now, let's build 2,000...which brings development/certification/validation co$t$ alone all the way down to $5 GRAND per car, before anyone makes a dime...and 2,000 would be 3 TIMES as many as Ford decided to build of the failing BOSS LS...

Now, add in the additions/deletions (and yes, deletions co$t!)...

Now, the target for the Z/28 is NOT the defunct BOSS LS. THAT was accomplished by the lowly, and much less-expen$ive, 1LE...game, set, match, trophy!

No, the Z/28 has bigger fish to fry...and the wok is warming up...

What's Ford's answer? A whole new Generation of car is necessary...and even THAT may not be enough... Hell, a GT 500 with similar weight and 230-some extra ponies can't trounce a 1LE on a road course, as per Lightning Lap...[heads hang in Dearborn]

Hail the ULTIMATE CORNER-CARVING STREET-LEGAL PONY CAR, the all-conquering Z/28! Line up for yours, now...if it's not already too late...

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BTW, $10KK for total Program co$t$ for something akin the Z/28 would be LOW...as I'm sure some here can confirm...

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For purposes of direct comparisons in the Marketplace, Chev = Ford (for argument's sake, which I'm sure is your objective...)

Ford built 750 BOSS LSs, which was their stated plan from the beginning, correct?

Using your logic (?!), Ford FAILED.

Again, for argument's sake, let's say the Z/28 Program co$t$ $10KK, BEFORE product additions/deletions. Based on a 1,000 units, that's $10 GRAND per car, just to arrive at the dealers' doors, before anyone makes a dime. Now, let's build 2,000...which brings development/certification/validation co$t$ alone all the way down to $5 GRAND per car, before anyone makes a dime...and 2,000 would be 3 TIMES as many as Ford decided to build of the failing BOSS LS...

Now, add in the additions/deletions (and yes, deletions co$t!)...

Now, the target for the Z/28 is NOT the defunct BOSS LS. THAT was accomplished by the lowly, and much less-expen$ive, 1LE...game, set, match, trophy!

No, the Z/28 has bigger fish to fry...and the wok is warming up...

What's Ford's answer? A whole new Generation of car is necessary...and even THAT may not be enough...

Hail the ULTIMATE CORNER-CARVING STREET-LEGAL PONY CAR, the all-conquering Z/28! Line up for yours, now...if it's not already too late...
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I wonder if it will come with OnStar. Delete the AC, radio, speakers, but leave big brother OnStar.
Yes...OnStar will automatically contact the local/national media every time a Z/28 sets a New Lap Record (can't you just hear that, from that baritone-voiced announcer from Indy?)

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Old 07-18-2013, 03:39 PM   #104
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nope...we all know NOTHING. I suggest 3...2...1...type in "Multimatic" to google and start there. Don't forget geometry and pick up points have changed too. The z/28 will easily best a c7 and likely best any zo6 on a road course and yes a better ring time is coming to youtube...until the next version zo6 with the same suspension technology...this is my "know nothing" prediction.



this z/28 pulled me in and I never would have considered a camaro or vette before and if you think there aren't many many more PCA, FCA, VCA, BMWCCA folks like myself very interested for track day fun you have missed the point…this is the meanest track car gm has ever made…btw….the C6-Rs are made by Pratt & Miller.

and if it does wipe up the competition with a blistering ring time under 7:19 can they sell every one for @100k...I think yes. What do you think?
3/sec lap faster than zl1 at Milford last time I heard. About 1 sec per mile. No way it will lap Nurburgring in 7:19, even if they are still making tweaks.
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3/sec lap faster than zl1 at Milford last time I heard. About 1 sec per mile. No way it will lap Nurburgring in 7:19, even if they are still making tweaks.
I'm not feeling the 7:19 either (I'm thinking mid 7:20's), however the 3 seconds mentioned was months and months ago...they're still developing it.
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And that means exactly... Squat.
2 different drivers and that is a very old z06 2005 model.

Put the same driver in both with same year car and that vette will trounce that heavy camaro.

I'm sorry stock for stock you can't compare the 2.
One is a street brawler and the other a sports car made for the higher speeds and better handing.

Sure you shove enough aftermarket crap in anything it can be fast.. but it's going to cost you.

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I'm pretty sure that's what Ford tried to do with the GT500...mod it with a lot of HP. Surely by now they're embarrassed at the lack of all around performance it has shown.

C5 cried for a couple years for a faster Camaro and got the ZL1 that ate it's targeted competition (the 2011 GT500) alive. And we continued asking for a Z28. Chevy and GM made sure we didn't do what Ford did with the GT500 by developing a "whole" car using the current platform. I think they did well and whatever the cost, it will be ok with many.

Chevy made a wide variety of Camaros back in the day including SSs, RSs, COPOs and a bunch of others, including 6 cylinders, 2 barrel V8s and lots of increments all the way up to a 454, I think. If the 1LT, SS, ZL1, 1LE, Z28 doesn't fit your needs, buy the next best thing...if there is such a thing...but, Corvette comes to mind.
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For purposes of direct comparisons in the Marketplace, Chev = Ford (for argument's sake, which I'm sure is your objective...)

Ford built 750 BOSS LSs, which was their stated plan from the beginning, correct?

Using your logic (?!), Ford FAILED. I guess if you include that handful of Ford GTs from a few years' back (at more than TWICE the Z/28's price, with little/nothing for it on a road course) was EPIC FORD FAIL NUMBER 2! (again, using your well-thought-out logic)

Again, for argument's sake, let's say the Z/28 Program co$t$ $10KK, BEFORE product additions/deletions. Based on a 1,000 units, that's $10 GRAND per car, just to arrive at the dealers' doors, before anyone makes a dime. Now, let's build 2,000...which brings development/certification/validation co$t$ alone all the way down to $5 GRAND per car, before anyone makes a dime...and 2,000 would be 3 TIMES as many as Ford decided to build of the failing BOSS LS...

Now, add in the additions/deletions (and yes, deletions co$t!)...

Now, the target for the Z/28 is NOT the defunct BOSS LS. THAT was accomplished by the lowly, and much less-expen$ive, 1LE...game, set, match, trophy!

No, the Z/28 has bigger fish to fry...and the wok is warming up...

What's Ford's answer? A whole new Generation of car is necessary...and even THAT may not be enough... Hell, a GT 500 with similar weight and 230-some extra ponies can't trounce a 1LE on a road course, as per Lightning Lap...[heads hang in Dearborn]

Hail the ULTIMATE CORNER-CARVING STREET-LEGAL PONY CAR, the all-conquering Z/28! Line up for yours, now...if it's not already too late...

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BTW, $10KK for total Program co$t$ for something akin the Z/28 would be LOW...as I'm sure some here can confirm...
hmmm
please check some facts:
I understand 750 Boss LS and 3500 Boss 302 per year was built
so a total of 8500 Boss over 2 years
....epic failure???

I have yet seen a Camaro 1LE at the track I go to
...I run about once a month

I'd love to see a 1LE at the track
I run at Eagles Canyon Raceway just north of Dallas

yes the Z28 so far sounds impressive, now lets see the price?
I know MSRP on Bosses were in the low to mid 40's
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hmmm
please check some facts:
I understand 750 Boss LS and 3500 Boss 302 per year was built
so a total of 8500 Boss over 2 years
....epic failure???

I have yet seen a Camaro 1LE at the track I go to
...I run about once a month

I'd love to see a 1LE at the track
I run at Eagles Canyon Raceway just north of Dallas

yes the Z28 so far sounds impressive, now lets see the price?
I know MSRP on Bosses were in the low to mid 40's
I think the Boss LS's were almost $50K if you could get one at MSRP.
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hmmm
please check some facts:
I understand 750 Boss LS and 3500 Boss 302 per year was built
so a total of 8500 Boss over 2 years
....epic failure???

I have yet seen a Camaro 1LE at the track I go to
...I run about once a month

I'd love to see a 1LE at the track
I run at Eagles Canyon Raceway just north of Dallas

yes the Z28 so far sounds impressive, now lets see the price?
I know MSRP on Bosses were in the low to mid 40's
Well, well, now we're playing tag-team, Texas-style, are we?

Ford built 750 BOSS LSs per year, as mentioned. BUT, and it's a not-so-inconsequential one, they diluted the Brand by building a bunch of clones for clowns who wanted the look and style, relatively, but NOT the ultimate experience of a BOSS LS. In other words, they built about 8500, total, BOSSes for poseurs. And 1500, total, REAL BOSS LSs.

BOSS clones started @ $42,200 + Freight/PDI + Options which, as poseurs will, were added to the vast majority of those cars. Sunroofs, for instance. Very popular with poseurs. Super Duper Sound, again for the faint-of-heart who are terrified of mechanical sounds.

BOSS LS started @ $49,195 with, thankfully, few options. Other than a Friendly Ford dealer's $5,000 detailing, in many cases.

Value: Checking my GM website, I see you can build a 1SS 1LE with Dual Mode Exhaust and Short Throw Shifter for $36,710 + Freight/PDI. No secret handshake required. In fact, reasonable expectation of a DISCOUNT. Maybe even a rebate or super-rate financing; things the LS was exempt from.

When the magazines rounded up their Pony Car Comparo victims, which BOSS was used? The Real Deal, or the poseur? Real Deal, every time. So it's a wee bit disingenuous to suggest the "low-$40s" BOSS (or should that be boss) is the halo-wearer. It's NOT. It's the non -poseur $50+ version that earned the accolades. Which, with its expensive dealer detail job (in many cases) knocks on the door of the $54,995 ZL1. Which beat it.

But wait, there's more: That same $50+ BOSS LS was beat, at VIR in the Lightning Lap, by the abovementioned $36,710 1LE. The one that's $5,000+ LESS than the POSEUR. And $12,485 LESS than (we better italicize this) the REAL DEAL.

Z/28 Pricing: If Ford hadn't diluted the BOSS Brand with those 8500 poseur ponies, what do you think the price of a REAL DEAL BOSS LS would have been? More than the Chili Sauce salesman's GT 500? More than 5 times as many poseurs were "marketed" as real LSs (kind of like the 1LE vs. Z/28?). How much did that additional volume dilute the Brand AND price?

GM could have done the same: 1LE as the "Base" Z/28. At $45K or so. 1,000s would have lined up. Even MORE than lined up for the almost-BOSS and the LS. The REAL DEAL would then have the hotter engine (like a Track Key, only better!), the really-really- great brakes, the better seats, and the R-compound tires. And less weight (remember, the LS weighs 5 lb more than the poseur). But, as Ford should have known, GM diluted the Z/28 a time or two before, to their shame. THIS TIME? No poseurs need apply. At any price, high-low-otherwise.

Only one Texas Tall Tail, but NO longhorn cattle, were killed in the making of this movie. Sorry, SPCA.

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Last I checked, Ford expected to make 10,000, total, BOSS Mustangs: 5000/yr, with the split 4250 poseur/750 real deal. If this breakdown in inaccurate, contact Ford. It was their p.r.

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Well, well, now we're playing tag-team, Texas-style, are we?

Ford built 750 BOSS LSs per year, as mentioned. BUT, and it's a not-so-inconsequential one, they diluted the Brand by building a bunch of clones for clowns who wanted the look and style, relatively, but NOT the ultimate experience of a BOSS LS. In other words, they built about 8500, total, BOSSes for poseurs. And 1500, total, REAL BOSS LSs.

BOSS clones started @ $42,200 + Freight/PDI + Options which, as poseurs will, were added to the vast majority of those cars. Sunroofs, for instance. Very popular with poseurs. Super Duper Sound, again for the faint-of-heart who are terrified of mechanical sounds.

BOSS LS started @ $49,195 with, thankfully, few options. Other than a Friendly Ford dealer's $5,000 detailing, in many cases.

Value: Checking my GM website, I see you can build a 1SS 1LE with Dual Mode Exhaust and Short Throw Shifter for $36,710 + Freight/PDI. No secret handshake required. In fact, reasonable expectation of a DISCOUNT. Maybe even a rebate or super-rate financing; things the LS was exempt from.

When the magazines rounded up their Pony Car Comparo victims, which BOSS was used? The Real Deal, or the poseur? Real Deal, every time. So it's a wee bit disingenuous to suggest the "low-$40s" BOSS (or should that be boss) is the halo-wearer. It's NOT. It's the non -poseur $50+ version that earned the accolades. Which, with its expensive dealer detail job (in many cases) knocks on the door of the $54,995 ZL1. Which beat it.

But wait, there's more: That same $50+ BOSS LS was beat, at VIR in the Lightning Lap, by the abovementioned $36,710 1LE. The one that's $5,000+ LESS than the POSEUR. And $12,485 LESS than (we better italicize this) the REAL DEAL.

Z/28 Pricing: If Ford hadn't diluted the BOSS Brand with those 8500 poseur ponies, what do you think the price of a REAL DEAL BOSS LS would have been? More than the Chili Sauce salesman's GT 500? More than 5 times as many poseurs were "marketed" as real LSs (kind of like the 1LE vs. Z/28?). How much did that additional volume dilute the Brand AND price?

GM could have done the same: 1LE as the "Base" Z/28. At $45K or so. 1,000s would have lined up. Even MORE than lined up for the almost-BOSS and the LS. The REAL DEAL would then have the hotter engine (like a Track Key, only better!), the really-really- great brakes, the better seats, and the R-compound tires. And less weight (remember, the LS weighs 5 lb more than the poseur). But, as Ford should have known, GM diluted the Z/28 a time or two before, to their shame. THIS TIME? No poseurs need apply. At any price, high-low-otherwise.

Only one Texas Tall Tail, but NO longhorn cattle, were killed in the making of this movie. Sorry, SPCA.

PS:

Last I checked, Ford expected to make 10,000, total, BOSS Mustangs: 5000/yr, with the split 4250 poseur/750 real deal. If this breakdown in inaccurate, contact Ford. It was their p.r.
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Lucy, you have some 'splaining to do!

Assasinator asserts that Chev is failing by only building a few Z/28s. Just like Ford only built a few BOSS LS/yr. 1500 total. Tat for tit. Pot calling kettle "black".

IF (capitalized) Chev wanted to marginalize the Z/28 name (again?), they could have used it (appropriately) on the 1LE, and called it the "Base" Z/28. Just as Ford did with the "Base" BOSS, which btw was NOT the actual car used in all the magazine comparos. 8500 Base BOSSes allowed Ford to lower the price of the BOSS LS by spreading the engine development costs over a far greater number of cars. Even though those greater number of cars do NOT share performance capabilities equally, as produced by Ford.

1LE meets/exceeds the BOSS LS in cornering capabilities, let alone the Base BOSS, as per Lightning Lap with independent drivers, non-aligned with any specific Manufacturer.

Z/28 will exceed the capabilities of anything Ford attaches a VIN to, today, and will likely exceed the Ford GT as well. A car built by Ford, who was making cars the average person cannot obtain = fail. And the Z/28 will cost well less than HALF of the "birthday present to itself" Ford GT.

So who's really failing, here?

Understand now, Ricky?
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Assasinator asserts that Chev is failing by only building a few Z/28s. Just like Ford only built a few BOSS LS/yr. 1500 total. Tat for tit. Pot calling kettle "black".

IF (capitalized) Chev wanted to marginalize the Z/28 name (again?), they could have used it (appropriately) on the 1LE, and called it the "Base" Z/28. Just as Ford did with the "Base" BOSS, which btw was NOT the actual car used in all the magazine comparos. 8500 Base BOSSes allowed Ford to lower the price of the BOSS LS by spreading the engine development costs over a far greater number of cars. Even though those greater number of cars do NOT share performance capabilities equally, as produced by Ford.

1LE meets/exceeds the BOSS LS in cornering capabilities, let alone the Base BOSS, as per Lightning Lap with independent drivers, non-aligned with any specific Manufacturer.

Z/28 will exceed the capabilities of anything Ford attaches a VIN to, today, and will likely exceed the Ford GT as well. A car built by Ford, who was making cars the average person cannot obtain = fail. And the Z/28 will cost well less than HALF of the "birthday present to itself" Ford GT.

So who's really failing, here?

Understand now, Ricky?
You're basing this all on one comparison that wasn't same day same driver. The Boss LS time was from a year earlier
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You're basing this all on one comparison that wasn't same day same driver. The Boss LS time was from a year earlier
Are you familiar with the test methodology, and published results, of Lightning Lap? Several drivers test each vehicle, and the BEST LAP TIME is what's credited to the car.

All tests on the same course at VIR. This year, last year, next year. 5 years ago. A "fast time" at VIR is a pretty valid time, over the same course. And the $37,000 1LE beat the BOSS LS, which is without doubt quicker than a Base BOSS, the Ford Fans' favorite when quoting that $42,000 price. And, of course, the ZL1 beat the 500, which beat the LS. None of which stand a chance against the Z/28.

Even if, for argument's sake, we say the 1LE is only a MATCH for the LS, you're still $12,500 in pocket with the purchase of the 1LE. Speaking of who failed.
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hmmm
please check some facts:
I understand 750 Boss LS and 3500 Boss 302 per year was built
so a total of 8500 Boss over 2 years
....epic failure???

I have yet seen a Camaro 1LE at the track I go to
...I run about once a month

I'd love to see a 1LE at the track
I run at Eagles Canyon Raceway just north of Dallas

yes the Z28 so far sounds impressive, now lets see the price?
I know MSRP on Bosses were in the low to mid 40's
We get it. You have no skin in the Camaro game, CTS driver. It's cool about your observations. Maybe other manufacturers have more track drivers, it does not mean the Camaro product lacks any credibility. It might just lack drivers. But the sales to the manufacturer make all the difference, in the end, everyone enjoy's their car to their own liking.
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Are you familiar with the test methodology, and published results, of Lightning Lap? Several drivers test each vehicle, and the BEST LAP TIME is what's credited to the car.

All tests on the same course at VIR. This year, last year, next year. 5 years ago. A "fast time" at VIR is a pretty valid time, over the same course. And the $37,000 1LE beat the BOSS LS, which is without doubt quicker than a Base BOSS, the Ford Fans' favorite when quoting that $42,000 price. And, of course, the ZL1 beat the 500, which beat the LS. None of which stand a chance against the Z/28.

Even if, for argument's sake, we say the 1LE is only a MATCH for the LS, you're still $12,500 in pocket with the purchase of the 1LE. Speaking of who failed.
lol there is no helping you. You do realize they ran the 13 GT500 on a damp track this year, right? So much for the testing consistency. And the base Boss and the LS are the same car, just with an X brace on the LS, different tires, and a larger rear sway bar. A lot less differences then between the 1LE and the Z28, which has a different engine, transmission, suspension pick up points, etc. Like it has been mentioned, an LS hasn't been tested against a 1LE, and the only test of a Boss 302 vs the 1LE that was done at all was by popular mechanics.
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And that means exactly... Squat.
2 different drivers and that is a very old z06 2005 model.

Put the same driver in both with same year car and that vette will trounce that heavy camaro.

I'm sorry stock for stock you can't compare the 2.
One is a street brawler and the other a sports car made for the higher speeds and better handing.

Sure you shove enough aftermarket crap in anything it can be fast.. but it's going to cost you.

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Exactly....different drivers, track conditions. Sorry...Keep dreaming that the Z28 will outrun the Z06. 3800lbs vs 3100lbs with the same engine and hp? same track same driver. Will not even be close.
http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/laguna_seca.html

if we go by his reasoning then the 2013 GT500 is just as fast as a Corvette ZR1? The Z28 is going to be the best performing Camaro on a road course, it sure will be.
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lol there is no helping you. You do realize they ran the 13 GT500 on a damp track this year, right? So much for the testing consistency. And the base Boss and the LS are the same car, just with an X brace on the LS, different tires, and a larger rear sway bar. A lot less differences then between the 1LE and the Z28, which has a different engine, transmission, suspension pick up points, etc. Like it has been mentioned, an LS hasn't been tested against a 1LE, and the only test of a Boss 302 vs the 1LE that was done at all was by popular mechanics.
Yes and those tires are "R" compound and they added a racing style front splitter. It also has different shocks, springs, and weren't the bushings a harder compound? What about the Torsen differential, brake and transmission cooling?

I believe the transmissions are the same for the 1LE and Z/28. And it was Ford that didn't want the comparison test between the 1LE & Boss, otherwise it would have been done numerous times. Why didn't Ford want to compare? For review see comments from Popular Mechanics below:

"At GingerMan Raceway we fitted a Boss 302 and a Camaro SS 1LE with VBox testing gear, and after an afternoon of testing, the Camaro emerged victorious. The 1LE was 2.5 seconds faster per lap, with higher cornering grip. Subjectively, the Camaro is easier to drive very fast, with loads of traction and dead-on balance."

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Old 07-23-2013, 12:05 PM   #120
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The Z/28 is NOT a pure track car. I'm a fan of GM and everything they stand for but this is simply not true.
Yes we all understand that your just trying to justify your ZL1 finally satisfied. Once this Z/28 hits the lots you won't be satisfied any more you sorry soul.
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Old 07-23-2013, 12:10 PM   #121
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"I have yet seen a Camaro 1LE at the track I go to
...I run about once a month

I'd love to see a 1LE at the track
I run at Eagles Canyon Raceway just north of Dallas"


Send me some gas money and I will be happy to come down...
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Old 07-23-2013, 12:28 PM   #122
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my though is: a car must be driven everyday... its stupid to buy a 60K+ car and keep it hidden... but... this car doesnt make sense to me... and thats fine because I just go to the drag race 2 or 3 weakends per month... and this kind of car would be a none sense, The z/28 is an awsome car... but it never going to be compared to a GTR or other super car because you can easly use a GTR, AMG SLS, as your DD... because they arent a overpowered striped down version of the standard car ... I prefer 100 times an 1LE, ZL1, or a Hennesey camaro over this...
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Old 07-23-2013, 03:34 PM   #123
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Price Z28

Just talked to a dealership nere me, not telling you who....hahaha but below is what he stated (i had an allocation on a new ZL1 in 2011 with them but didnt go through; VERY stand up group, they quoted the ZL1 right on the nose when i was going to buy one.)

Doug!

My favorite bendonian! So we have two Allocations
For z28s. Should be placing the orders in August . Now we aware these things are pretty
Much race cars.... 1 speaker stereo system. .. Ac is an option
Stripped down pretty good. However it is gonna be one
Bad mother!
Pricing is a bit of a mystery at the moment but we r guessing
It will be much like the zl1 and hang In the 60's

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"At GingerMan Raceway we fitted a Boss 302 and a Camaro SS 1LE with VBox testing gear, and after an afternoon of testing, the Camaro emerged victorious. The 1LE was 2.5 seconds faster per lap, with higher cornering grip. Subjectively, the Camaro is easier to drive very fast, with loads of traction and dead-on balance."

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Oh, NO!! Don't inject FACT into this discussion, 'cuz the whiny wieners won't have anything to base their argumentative rhetoric on.

The basis of this thread was "Z/28 Price", right? And the hypothesis was raised that the BOSS LS, if only built in a 1,500-total series, would have been very expensive, as well. Another 8,500 versions, festooned with different components and a wealth of available options, did little for the BOSS Brand except lower the Unit Cost/BOSS.

Suffice to say, to those fortunate few who actually secure a Gen-5 Z/28, their investment and results will make them smile a super-ultra-perma-grin. No poseurs need apply.
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Old 07-23-2013, 06:55 PM   #125
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Yes and those tires are "R" compound and they added a racing style front splitter. It also has different shocks, springs, and weren't the bushings a harder compound? What about the Torsen differential, brake and transmission cooling?

I believe the transmissions are the same for the 1LE and Z/28. And it was Ford that didn't want the comparison test between the 1LE & Boss, otherwise it would have been done numerous times. Why didn't Ford want to compare? For review see comments from Popular Mechanics below:

"At GingerMan Raceway we fitted a Boss 302 and a Camaro SS 1LE with VBox testing gear, and after an afternoon of testing, the Camaro emerged victorious. The 1LE was 2.5 seconds faster per lap, with higher cornering grip. Subjectively, the Camaro is easier to drive very fast, with loads of traction and dead-on balance."

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Ford didn't want to? But yet they compare it to the ZL1 that was going to be a puppy kick anyways? Ford had nothing to do with it, the magazines could have done it if they wanted to, and Popular Mechanics and Automobile did. None of them compared the LS, and the only place it has been run is VIR for LL 2012.
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