Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums - Camaro5.com
 
Rick@Livernois
Go Back   Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums - Camaro5.com > General Camaro Forums > Camaro Z/28 Forum - Z/28 Specific Topics


Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 07-15-2013, 07:29 PM   #69
Blackkaz04
 
Drives: In the market
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Tucson
Posts: 622
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cheveey57 View Post
Most people here don't appreciate a true hot rod. They want back up camaras, memory seats etc. back in the day you would order a car with radio and heater delete. The AC was an option you wouldn't want. That being said if they were making these Z28 with 2013 tail lights I would buy one in a heartbeat. Since the the prototypes came out I wanted lighter cars. I don't want all the extra crap. In fact if I could sign a waiver and get one without the bull**** airbags I would.
so you appreciate a true hot rod...and the Z/28 is it...te ONLY REASON you won't buy one is because of the tail lights.....lmfao
Blackkaz04 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-16-2013, 08:06 AM   #70
assasinator
1 n the head,2 n da chest
 
assasinator's Avatar
 
Drives: 2002 cadillac deville
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: huntsville al.
Posts: 656
Quote:
Originally Posted by Blackkaz04 View Post
so you appreciate a true hot rod...and the Z/28 is it...te ONLY REASON you won't buy one is because of the tail lights.....lmfao


thousands of people didn't but a 2011mustang because of it's hideous tail lights. you think the average person ignores styling. not fanbois. the average purchaser? hardly. his point is valid.
__________________
rides:2002 Caddy DeVille, 1996 turbo stang gt,1999 jeep wrangler,1999 454 powered GM motorhome,,
2011GT Brembo brake package, RapidSpec 300A, Candy Apple Red, Charcoal interior, 3.73 gears, spoiler delete..1 of 29-E85, offroad X, 82.5mm throttle body, CAI, axleback, E85 TUNE, 420ish rwhp.
assasinator is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-16-2013, 08:45 AM   #71
LOWDOWN
Downright Upright
 
Drives: Daily
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Cruisin'...
Posts: 4,145
Quote:
Originally Posted by assasinator View Post
thousands of people didn't but a 2011mustang because of it's hideous tail lights. you think the average person ignores styling. not fanbois. the average purchaser? hardly. his point is valid.
1000s of people will NOT have the opportunity to own a Gen-5 Z/28, regardless of their intent, or the shape of the tail lights, or...

BTW, this is NOT a car for the "average person", in any regard...
LOWDOWN is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-16-2013, 11:07 AM   #72
FINALLYSATISFIED
Est.1775
 
FINALLYSATISFIED's Avatar
 
Drives: '15 Challenger Hellcat
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: SoCal
Posts: 5,440
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sven59 View Post
So if I pull my backseat will it meet your definition?
Lol. Don't forget, taking out your stereo too.
FINALLYSATISFIED is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-16-2013, 11:11 AM   #73
HeadonaStick
 
HeadonaStick's Avatar
 
Drives: 2011 Camaro V6
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Sebastian, FL
Posts: 126
Quote:
Originally Posted by LOWDOWN View Post
1000s of people will NOT have the opportunity to own a Gen-5 Z/28, regardless of their intent, or the shape of the tail lights, or...

BTW, this is NOT a car for the "average person", in any regard...
Why isn't it for the average person?

Even though I like to think of myself as above average the truth is that I'm pretty average and I want one. Can't afford one but that is a different story.
HeadonaStick is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-16-2013, 11:42 AM   #74
Iron Lung Jimmy
 
Drives: Iron Lung, Jimmy
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Louisiana
Posts: 556
Quote:
Originally Posted by HeadonaStick View Post
Why isn't it for the average person?

Even though I like to think of myself as above average the truth is that I'm pretty average and I want one. Can't afford one but that is a different story.
You answered your own question.
Iron Lung Jimmy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-16-2013, 11:46 AM   #75
grocerygetter
instigator
 
grocerygetter's Avatar
 
Drives: Black on black 2009 C6
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: 72034
Posts: 3,966
70k plus...bwahhhahahaha...what the F ever. Keep that crap.
__________________
-John S.

2014 GMC CC Z71, 2009 C6 vette (672/639 at the wheel and less than 3300lbs)
2010 Camaro 2ss/rs---SOLD 4/15/14
-654whp with a few cosmetic things, Pfadt suspension, Vortech, CircleD, GPI ss3 vvt bump stick, gears, stuff in between,18" TSW N'rings for drag duty, 20" Forgestar F14s for street.

Thanks to:
Tony@ dv8motoring
rhino@ Gwatney Chevrolet/GPI Jacksonville AR
TCAudio in Benton AR
grocerygetter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-16-2013, 11:56 AM   #76
cbass

 
Drives: .
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Phoenix
Posts: 1,008
Quote:
Originally Posted by Denis View Post
The cost of the car doesn't depend on what's in it or what's not. It's the car itself. A lot of R&D has gone into this vehicle. Just because it doesn't have AC or wires for the fog lights doesn't mean this car isn't gonna pull a premium price. It's not like they said "we'll we can subtract the cost of the AC and speakers from the cost of the vehicle".

Personally I think if this car sells for under 70k it's a hell of a deal!
How is it a hell of a deal? That's Z06 territory. I would rather have the lighter vette than the camaro at the same price point. Unless the Z/28 can beat a Z06, it's not worth that kind of money.
cbass is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-16-2013, 01:10 PM   #77
LOWDOWN
Downright Upright
 
Drives: Daily
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Cruisin'...
Posts: 4,145
Which Z06? In what performance metric? 1/4-mile, or slalom-road course?

Base...or Z06/Z07?

And a Z06/Z07 is $90K+...

Unless you're interested in the Ultimate-to-Date cornering-capable OEM-equipped Gen-5 Camaro aka Z/28, this car at ANY price is NOT for you...
LOWDOWN is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-16-2013, 01:54 PM   #78
HeadonaStick
 
HeadonaStick's Avatar
 
Drives: 2011 Camaro V6
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Sebastian, FL
Posts: 126
Quote:
Originally Posted by Iron Lung Jimmy View Post
You answered your own question.
I guess you have a point, but I thought the post I was replying to was discussing the performance of the car at this point...

As a teacher, I am way below average in the ability to buy stuff category so you can't use me to make the argument
HeadonaStick is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-16-2013, 03:32 PM   #79
Falundir

 
Falundir's Avatar
 
Drives: 2012 45th Anniversary Edition SS
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: East Bay
Posts: 2,126
Quote:
Originally Posted by LOWDOWN View Post
And a Z06/Z07 is $90K+...
A few comments on this. IMHO you can't view MSRP on the C6 Z06 as the comparable price as it is very easy to get a Carbon Edition Z06 for low 60s practically new. In this note a Z06 is cheaper.

HOWEVER

The Z06 platform was developed in 04 vs the Z28, which 'may' be considered newer. The reason for the 'may' is the zeta platform is dated, however with the changes that GM is making to accommodate the Z28 we cannot make a direct comparison until after the Z28 has been released and tested.

All in all, IMHO, if GM fails to have the Z28 outperform the older C6 Z06 (production ceased), then they will have failed in their vision of the Z28.
Falundir is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-16-2013, 04:40 PM   #80
RonnieG
 
RonnieG's Avatar
 
Drives: 2013 AGM 1LE/2SS/RS
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Lakeland, Florida
Posts: 289
i get to be the popcorn guy!


Last edited by RonnieG; 07-16-2013 at 04:45 PM. Reason: titled
RonnieG is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-16-2013, 06:10 PM   #81
littlecammi
 
littlecammi's Avatar
 
Drives: '87 Pontiac Fiero GT
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Illinois
Posts: 614
Quote:
Originally Posted by orthojoe View Post
Maybe the ugly green color made everything worse on that new C7.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Slapshot View Post
Anything that color would be hideous.
Maybe that green color looks bad in your opinion. But the '67 was the most beautiful Corvette ever made (all the mid-years are spectacular) and the most popular color that year was a very similar color called Goodwood Green.

That green may not be as popular on the new C7 because tastes have changed. Many people love black sporty cars nowadays, and black was the least popular color choice (fewest made) for '67 Corvettes.
littlecammi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-16-2013, 06:20 PM   #82
Mgizzle

 
Mgizzle's Avatar
 
Drives: 2013 Camaro 1LE 1SS
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Detroit
Posts: 850
Quote:
Originally Posted by Falundir View Post
A few comments on this. IMHO you can't view MSRP on the C6 Z06 as the comparable price as it is very easy to get a Carbon Edition Z06 for low 60s practically new. In this note a Z06 is cheaper.

HOWEVER

The Z06 platform was developed in 04 vs the Z28, which 'may' be considered newer. The reason for the 'may' is the zeta platform is dated, however with the changes that GM is making to accommodate the Z28 we cannot make a direct comparison until after the Z28 has been released and tested.

All in all, IMHO, if GM fails to have the Z28 outperform the older C6 Z06 (production ceased), then they will have failed in their vision of the Z28.
I kind of understand your statement but I don't think people realize the capability of a C6 Z06/07. The weight to power ratio is about 6.2lbs/hp (3150/505). I own a 1LE and after driving one of these I feel like I could smoke my camaro with a mountain bike, doesn't even have to be 21 speed. Now I understand my 1LE is not a Z/28 but still, a weight/power ratio in the low 6's brings terror in you every time you floor it.

A Z/28 is, best case, 3700/505 = 7.3 lbs/hp. This is a HUGE difference in simple straight line and we all know the C6 Z06/07 with equal tires (which are offered) will do better laterally. It is significantly lower CG and of course lower mass yet has massive tires front and rear as well.

The Z/28 will be an amazing car and I would probably pick it before any C6, but that is because I love the camaro and that character it has. It is a muscle car and it ooooooozes it, american muscle combined with world class systems. Just wow.

The C6 Z07 ran a 7:22 'Ring laptime. The ZL1 camaro ran 7:41. I would be shocked and in denial if the z/28 could even get into the high 20's (that would be amazing) but would still have to pick my jaw up if it was in the mid 30's. A 458 Italia Ferrari was in the 30's, that's how awesome a lap time in the 30's would be.
__________________
I work for General Motors and am not an official spokes person for General Motors. My views and opinions are my own and not those of General Motors.
Mgizzle is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-16-2013, 07:24 PM   #83
Number 3
Hail to the King baby!
 
Number 3's Avatar
 
Drives: '13 ATS 2.0T & '14 Chevrolet SS
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Illinois
Posts: 9,467
Quote:
Originally Posted by Falundir View Post
A few comments on this. IMHO you can't view MSRP on the C6 Z06 as the comparable price as it is very easy to get a Carbon Edition Z06 for low 60s practically new. In this note a Z06 is cheaper.

HOWEVER

The Z06 platform was developed in 04 vs the Z28, which 'may' be considered newer. The reason for the 'may' is the zeta platform is dated, however with the changes that GM is making to accommodate the Z28 we cannot make a direct comparison until after the Z28 has been released and tested.

All in all, IMHO, if GM fails to have the Z28 outperform the older C6 Z06 (production ceased), then they will have failed in their vision of the Z28.
Prepare for failure in 3.......2.......1

Unless you are expecting GM to add gobs of HP to the LS7 for the Z/28, there is no way that the /28 beats the 06. Yes I'm partial to the Z06 as I managed the Aluminium frame project and all that wonderful Carbon Fiber. Yes, the Ceramic brakes will help against a base Z06 just like they give the Z/28 a 3 second per lap advantage over the ZL1. But you aren't going to convince me (until we have data) that the awesomest Camaro ever built for the track can over come a 500 pound weight penalty and less tire but only having the same engine. That defies something.

This will be the best Camaro ever on a track IMO. But GM never said it would be their best car on the track PERIOD.
__________________
"Speed, it seems to me, provides the one genuinely modern pleasure." - Aldous Huxley Link to Every Camaro photo I've taken in Hi-Resolution
Number 3 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-16-2013, 07:44 PM   #84
LOWDOWN
Downright Upright
 
Drives: Daily
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Cruisin'...
Posts: 4,145
LOWDOWN is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-2013, 09:53 PM   #85
OldScoolCamaro


 
Drives: Camaro's, always have, always will.
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Home of the brave
Posts: 4,857
...wowzers....there isn't even any info, tangible info alebit, on what the C7 Z06 or ZR1 will have, and using any comparison to a C6 Corvette in any configuration is mute. Corvette is Camaro's bigger brother, that's widely known and accepted. How about this? Maybe GM will use the next Gen Camaro architecture and some new DI powerplant < shared no doubt from the Corvete upper tier> and make a Super Camaro in a two years...but at the end of the day it's still gonna take a back seat to the Vette in a hi-po trim.
__________________
In Scott We Trust...all others must show proof.
OldScoolCamaro is offline   Reply With Quote
 
Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:04 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2016, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.