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Old 07-15-2013, 02:10 PM   #1
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Did my dealership polish and wax my car???

So my car has been getting a lot of swirl marks since I got it so I decided to get it polish. I left my car at the dealership, they charged me 100 bucks to polish and wax it. When I went to pick it up the next day it looked amazing most of the swirls were gone but after two washes all the swirl marks came back. Is it possible they just put some mirror glaze on it and it washed away??

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Old 07-15-2013, 02:13 PM   #2
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It's very likely that they threw some glaze on it with heavy fillers and it's disappearing.

How are you washing the car?
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Old 07-15-2013, 02:24 PM   #3
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It's very likely that they threw some glaze on it with heavy fillers and it's disappearing.

How are you washing the car?
From what your describing it sounds like they just put on a glaze and wax to mask the swirls and not really remove them.
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x3... and not terribly uncommon.

Lots of car lots use fillers to make cars look nice temporarily, soon as you wash it a few times the defects reappear as the fillers fade.
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Old 07-15-2013, 02:58 PM   #5
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I would bet they just washed and gave it a quick detail. for 100.00 at a dealer dont expect much. Me I do my own. dont trust anyone.
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Old 07-15-2013, 04:18 PM   #6
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It's very likely that they threw some glaze on it with heavy fillers and it's disappearing.

How are you washing the car?
I wash it by hand, two bucket method once a week
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Old 07-15-2013, 04:21 PM   #7
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I would bet they just washed and gave it a quick detail. for 100.00 at a dealer dont expect much. Me I do my own. dont trust anyone.
I wish I knew how to do it myself, last time I tried it I got holograms
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I wish I knew how to do it myself, last time I tried it I got holograms
What were you using? A rotary? It's pretty difficult to get holograms with a DA polisher.
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I wash it by hand, two bucket method once a week
You're on the right track then. Just wanted to make sure you weren't putting the swirls right back in it.

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I wish I knew how to do it myself, last time I tried it I got holograms
Explain your process here, if you would. If you were using a rotary buffer, I'd steer away from that and grab an orbital or dual action polisher. Those machines, with the right polishes/pads will finish down perfectly, hologram-free.
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Old 07-15-2013, 10:38 PM   #10
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Explain your process here, if you would. If you were using a rotary buffer, I'd steer away from that and grab an orbital or dual action polisher. Those machines, with the right polishes/pads will finish down perfectly, hologram-free.
I'd like to know this as well..
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Old 07-15-2013, 11:32 PM   #11
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Lol proper paint correction is going to run you hundreds.
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Old 07-15-2013, 11:36 PM   #12
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Paint correction SUCKS.

I paid to have 2 stage paint correction done w/ my opti-coating. Cost me like $600 total, but I have to say, best money I've spent. Wash/Dry done. No wax, no polish nothing. Love it.
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Old 07-16-2013, 12:53 AM   #13
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Paint correction SUCKS.

I paid to have 2 stage paint correction done w/ my opti-coating. Cost me like $600 total, but I have to say, best money I've spent. Wash/Dry done. No wax, no polish nothing. Love it.
Glad you're happy but most in this forum would have rather spent less on all the equipment and products, then did it ourselves. We'd have enough to do SEVERAL cars while we're at it.
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Paint correction SUCKS.

I paid to have 2 stage paint correction done w/ my opti-coating. Cost me like $600 total, but I have to say, best money I've spent. Wash/Dry done. No wax, no polish nothing. Love it.
Even after paint correction shouldnt there be a coat of wax on it?
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Even after paint correction shouldnt there be a coat of wax on it?
Opti-Coat is a permanent synthetic sealant. Many people now will only put selants on there cars and skip wax. With Opti-Coat, waxes won't have the longevity if it can't bond as well. With how good products are becoming you can get away without putting wax on if you put a quality sealant on, but you still can provided you give it the required curing time.
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Glad you're happy but most in this forum would have rather spent less on all the equipment and products, then did it ourselves. We'd have enough to do SEVERAL cars while we're at it.
Perhaps. For the paint correction though, I felt more comfortable having a pro do it, I wanted as close to perfect as possible, and dude had 14 hrs of time into correcting my paint alone. The opti-coat is also something that a pro should do... I've seen some bad opti-coat jobs, it's not pretty. That's just me though!

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Even after paint correction shouldnt there be a coat of wax on it?
As EC1990 said, it's a permanent sythetic sealant which is 10x harder than clear coat. no wax needed. You can clay bar it about once a year just to get off any excess gunk build up, but that's all that's needed.

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Opti-Coat is a permanent synthetic sealant. Many people now will only put selants on there cars and skip wax. With Opti-Coat, waxes won't have the longevity if it can't bond as well. With how good products are becoming you can get away without putting wax on if you put a quality sealant on, but you still can provided you give it the required curing time.
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Is Opti-Coat the same as Perma-Finish ?
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Is Opti-Coat the same as Perma-Finish ?
no, from the looks of it they seem to be similar products, but opticoat is the first product like that (circa 2005) and has a very good track history.

Why even think about something else? Especially when opticoat is only like $70.
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Is Opti-Coat the same as Perma-Finish ?
Possibly. I don't have much experience with it, but if it's something offered by a dealership I can honestly recommend against it. Why? Dealers add things on to make money and often don't have the training or expertise to make it worth it to have highly experienced detailers. Whereas there are semi-permanent sealants with a proven track record that can be done from home with the investment in quality detailing equipment. Coatings such as Opti-Coat, CQuartz, GTechniq EXO, etc...

So even if the product is quality, finding a good person to trust your paint with correction required (even if new, dealers are great at trashing your paint) and applying it correctly so it lasts can be difficult.
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Forbid your dealer from washing, drying or waxing your car.

They are not skilled and they simply do not have the time to do it right.
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Forbid your dealer from washing, drying or waxing your car.

They are not skilled and they simply do not have the time to do it right.

So true! I already had to hang this in my rear view mirror and my shifter, and still had the dealership call me because a bird shit on my car. AT least they had the sense to call before swirling the crap out of my car.

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Possibly. I don't have much experience with it, but if it's something offered by a dealership I can honestly recommend against it. Why? Dealers add things on to make money and often don't have the training or expertise to make it worth it to have highly experienced detailers. Whereas there are semi-permanent sealants with a proven track record that can be done from home with the investment in quality detailing equipment. Coatings such as Opti-Coat, CQuartz, GTechniq EXO, etc...

So even if the product is quality, finding a good person to trust your paint with correction required (even if new, dealers are great at trashing your paint) and applying it correctly so it lasts can be difficult.
Opti-coat has 2 versions, one for consumers, and "opti-gaurd" which is for professional application only... not sure the difference...
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Opti-coat has 2 versions, one for consumers, and "opti-gaurd" which is for professional application only... not sure the difference...
Opti-guard is the original. Cures faster and is a little bit thicker than opticoat.
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Opti-guard is the original. Cures faster and is a little bit thicker than opticoat.
Yep similar to CQuartz and their Finest line. I think it's also a way to authorize detailers.
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