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Old 07-16-2013, 10:22 PM   #15
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The ZL1 is not an average car, I have ran my Kawasaki Ninja 1400 many time at high speeds. My ZL1 makes me smile and excite every time I hit roads.
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Old 07-16-2013, 10:34 PM   #16
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And now I get my ZL1 around my Birthday next year.
First of all thanks to this guy for serving, you'll love your ZL1 when you get home.


Second, I don't know what to say to the OP. Some guys say if you need convincing don't get it. Truth is I hadn't driven an SS, last Camaro I really drove was a 2000 V6 and before that a 95 Z28. But given that it was the most powerful production Camaro ever produced I wanted one. I drove two hours, sat in it for maybe 30 seconds, told the salesman lets make a deal. I was buying the car, as long as some flaw that didn't show up on the internet wasn't present.

All that being stated, I went nannies off again today, whewwwwww. That is some experience, you can spin that car around in a second. I mean it is fast anyway, every single time I pull out of my neighborhood I kick the back end a little, with virtually no effort(nannies on).

Attention grabber, go wash one, being that mine is black doesn't hurt, set it out in a parking lot, walk away, and watch the people come up to it. I've been told there are several GT500's in my area, so the hell what, they don't look special, but there are only three ZL1's, and people gravitate to them.

It's a blast, as I tell people, I turn 16 again every time I get in it, and it's my daily driver and that still holds up.
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Old 07-16-2013, 10:54 PM   #17
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Maybe convince was the wrong word. Just asking opinions on those that have had SS models or other cars how they feel now after ZL purchase. Just recently traded my GrandSport and it felt faster than either ZL that I drove.
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Why wouldn't you just buy the faster one?

Neither had the exact options I wanted
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Old 07-16-2013, 10:57 PM   #19
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Convince you? Sounds like to me you can't afford the ZL1. Prove ME otherwise.
Lol, that's funny.
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Old 07-16-2013, 10:59 PM   #20
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Let me ask a question. Does the car feel like 4100 lbs to you guys?
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Old 07-16-2013, 11:02 PM   #21
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No, but I haven't torn up roads in a Vette either for comparison. But It handles a hell of a lot better than any much lighter 4th Gen I've driven.


I'll tell you where I can compare it to a SS. The SS's can't stop anywhere near like a ZL1. My experience is at the drag strip, after smoking a few SS's one thing remains constant, they nearly plow into my ass end near the tun off because they forget that when you upgrade the hp, you have to upgrade everything else including the brakes. ZL1 stops when and where you want it to.
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Old 07-16-2013, 11:06 PM   #22
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Let me ask a question. Does the car feel like 4100 lbs to you guys?

Does my butt look bigger?
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Old 07-16-2013, 11:11 PM   #23
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I've had this conversation with a friend about a year ago now. Here it is...
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Old 07-16-2013, 11:16 PM   #24
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Convince you? Sounds like to me you can't afford the ZL1. Prove ME otherwise.
HATE when this is brought up. Just because someone doesn't like it, doesn't mean they can't afford it. If you can afford a cammed SS, you can afford a ZL1. Problem is which would you be happier in. Sounds to me like the SS on the basis you want something YOU make fast versus coming fast from the factory. Only half a second and less difference in a SS and a ZL1 stock for stock. Half a second, and half the price.


Also, the ZL1 in the 10s is geared. Guess that, and slicks are considered "bolt ons." There is no mod list there either, so how is that known? To get to 10s, it takes a supercharger upgrade, gears, slicks, full exhaust, professional tuning, and great driving. A 4000 pound car does not run 10s with just bolt ons.

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Maybe convince was the wrong word. Just asking opinions on those that have had SS models or other cars how they feel now after ZL purchase. Just recently traded my GrandSport and it felt faster than either ZL that I drove.
That's because it WAS faster. All day.

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They then take it a step further and turn 11s ¼ mile times and run a 7:41 on the infamous Nürburgring putting it seconds behind the Z06 and ZR1.

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/1206_2012_chevrolet_camaro_zl1_vs_2013_shelby_gt50 0/viewall.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_N%C3%BCrburgring_Nordschleife_lap_times

Yeah. A ZL1 does 12s. Professional drivers get an average of 12-12.3 stock depending on stick or auto.


The Nurburgring again. The ZR1 slammed the ZL1 by almost 30 seconds. 7:19. I guess you could say that's "seconds" but I would prefer to call it "almost a half minute". As far as ZR1s over 100k, yes. Brand new, they are. Z06s though have run 11.8- 12.0s consistently on run flats and 75 less hp. I have seen new Z06s in the upper 70s low 80s after incentives. Used with 2k miles, you can get a ZR1 for 71,499 at Carmax all day long. We have one here in Texas for 68,000 with 12k miles on it. I would gladly take that instead of a ZL1 for strictly performance issues.

Don't get caught in fanboy drama. Get what you want, and go with it. You can always make an SS better than a ZL1. You have 30 grand difference to do it. As said before, there is only .5 second difference in a SS and a ZL1. BUT, you can never make an SS.....A....ZL1....if that makes any sense.
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Old 07-16-2013, 11:31 PM   #25
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i would damn near kill to be able to trade my ss for a zl1. it is definitely the best looking of the camaros and for sure a huge hear turner.
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Old 07-17-2013, 01:32 AM   #27
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Thank you sir!
Btw...he bought an SS...has been in my rear view ever since. Haha.

Not everyone can afford the ZL1. I feel blessed that I can. That said, if you can, it's so worth it.
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Old 07-17-2013, 02:16 AM   #28
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HATE when this is brought up. Just because someone doesn't like it, doesn't mean they can't afford it. If you can afford a cammed SS, you can afford a ZL1. Problem is which would you be happier in. Sounds to me like the SS on the basis you want something YOU make fast versus coming fast from the factory. Only half a second and less difference in a SS and a ZL1 stock for stock. Half a second, and half the price.


Also, the ZL1 in the 10s is geared. Guess that, and slicks are considered "bolt ons." There is no mod list there either, so how is that known? To get to 10s, it takes a supercharger upgrade, gears, slicks, full exhaust, professional tuning, and great driving. A 4000 pound car does not run 10s with just bolt ons.



That's because it WAS faster. All day.




http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/1206_2012_chevrolet_camaro_zl1_vs_2013_shelby_gt50 0/viewall.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_N%C3%BCrburgring_Nordschleife_lap_times

Yeah. A ZL1 does 12s. Professional drivers get an average of 12-12.3 stock depending on stick or auto.


The Nurburgring again. The ZR1 slammed the ZL1 by almost 30 seconds. 7:19. I guess you could say that's "seconds" but I would prefer to call it "almost a half minute". As far as ZR1s over 100k, yes. Brand new, they are. Z06s though have run 11.8- 12.0s consistently on run flats and 75 less hp. I have seen new Z06s in the upper 70s low 80s after incentives. Used with 2k miles, you can get a ZR1 for 71,499 at Carmax all day long. We have one here in Texas for 68,000 with 12k miles on it. I would gladly take that instead of a ZL1 for strictly performance issues.

Don't get caught in fanboy drama. Get what you want, and go with it. You can always make an SS better than a ZL1. You have 30 grand difference to do it. As said before, there is only .5 second difference in a SS and a ZL1. BUT, you can never make an SS.....A....ZL1....if that makes any sense.




You say an SS can be "better" than a ZL1? That would always be a matter of opinion (even then an arguable matter of opinion). Now to say faster...yes that is possible...but then again you can make ANY car faster than a ZL1 with the right upgrades. $30,000 might be a bit exaggerated. Base price 1SS vs base price ZL1 is about $23,000 difference. Then again base price 1SS still needs interior options as well as mechanical improvements to compare. I don't think there's any amount of money that would be worth investing in an SS in the "attempt" to make it "better" than a ZL1. You can't go out and buy the Performance Traction Management system that comes standard on the ZL1. You can't go out and buy the most advanced magnetorheological suspension system that most european automakers are envious of. Even if you went and found all the kit pieces to make an SS look like a ZL1, the facts of REAL Research support the aerodynamics of the ZL1 not the ZLwannabe. The car won't handle like the ZL1 or feel like the ZL1. So to say that he could make it better, is absolutely false. He could make it different but that's about all.

Oh and by the way, who determines who the professionals are here? We've got guys on this forum runing 11s BONE STOCK! Guess the pros need to take some lessons from those guys.

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