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Old 07-17-2013, 11:33 AM   #35
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Payments arent the issue and the car is definitely badass, just asking from having three C6 vettes and a modded SS, if the car was as fast initially as you guys/gals thought it would be. One just seemed like an average car and not a 580hp.


You've owned the others what's preventing you from buying this one? The car is already fast you have to adapt to it's feeling. It lulls you into thinking there's nothing happening. This car can be modded also. The thing I like about that is you start off with a better package to start modding.



I actually just did research, looked at ZL1's at three different dealers and bought the third one I saw off of the showroom floor after getting the dealer to discount! I believe the majority of owners on here that really want a ZL1 just locate what they want and buy it.

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Old 07-17-2013, 11:37 AM   #36
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You say an SS can be "better" than a ZL1?
Faster, It's best to ignore this guy, he's a H8R that confuses his facts to make his arguments seem okay

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You've owned the others what's preventing you from buying this one? The car is already fast you have to adapt to it's feeling. It lulls you into thinking there's nothing happening. This car can be modded also. The thing I like about that is you start off with a better package to start modding.
Great point, the ZL1 is a great platform to start with, I mean intake, pulleys, and a tune turn the car into more of a beast, because it sure already is one.
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Old 07-17-2013, 11:55 AM   #37
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Faster, It's best to ignore this guy, he's a H8R that confuses his facts to make his arguments seem okay



Great point, the ZL1 is a great platform to start with, I mean intake, pulleys, and a tune turn the car into more of a beast, because it sure already is one.

People that OWN the car know that for a fact! I focused on suspension mods first. The difference is amazing. If you think the car handles well stock it handles even better when modded correctly. It allows you to understand the car even more and enjoy the changes done to it. It appears from what I am reading about engine mods the feeling is the similar, as in you can "feel" the changes immediately. I will eventually get to engine mods for my car after roll bar and seats are done.
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Old 07-17-2013, 11:59 AM   #38
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All I have to say after reading everybody's posts ,my next camaro will be a ZL1.
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Great point, the ZL1 is a great platform to start with, I mean intake, pulleys, and a tune turn the car into more of a beast, because it sure already is one.
Agreed. Just needs a tad more power. About 75 rwhp. Every other performance area is good to go stock.
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Old 07-17-2013, 02:58 PM   #40
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I am always amazed at how the ZL1 runs next other cars because it feels slow to me but it is not.
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Old 07-17-2013, 04:51 PM   #41
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Agreed. Just needs a tad more power. About 75 rwhp. Every other performance area is good to go stock.
Well there you go. Amazingly Jannetty has a 75rwhp package ready to go
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Old 07-17-2013, 05:14 PM   #42
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Dude your smoking crack !!! There was just a shootout a few months a go. The ZL1 came in 3rd, right behind a Lexus LFA. It ate the M6 and not just a little. Oh and the the Baron's car that you claim to be running "gears" for his sub 10sec run ... Ya he 's running gears, the STOCK ones. Also btw the Shelby does in fact beat the ZL1, only in a straight line and 1 or 2 hot laps on a road course, after that it fades.
All of that doesn't matter if you can't even beat a LIVE AXLE SPORTS CAR! It's GM's rival, and they failed. The ZL1 costs more. Strike one. The ZL1 loses the quarter. Strike two. The ZL1 has "supreme handling" but still loses on the road course. Strike three, they are out. One or two hot laps? Who is going to enter their car into ANY race with an extended period of time without changing the brakes anyway? Point is, one test lap, one quarter test, and two victories for the GT500. Any way you slice the pie, its still pie. As for gears, that car is in fifth before half the strip is gone. Umm...geared. There is also a highly modded ZL1 on this forum with 760whp. No nitrous. Found the thread this morning, can't find it again. He ran high tens. Same as this so called "bolt on ZL1." If bolt ons get the ZL1 to 760whp I will eat the whole car in its entirety. Isn't going to happen.

The M6? Really? I'm the one smoking, huh? The M6 pulls 13s. European versions are rated at 14. Wonder which will win. My freaking stock CSRT4 pulled a 14. That is a very poorly put together "shoot out."
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Old 07-17-2013, 05:15 PM   #43
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Well there you go. Amazingly Jannetty has a 75rwhp package ready to go
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Well there you go. Amazingly Jannetty has a 75rwhp package ready to go
Just got back from LMR in Houston. Tune, pulley, intake averages in their shop around 100 rwhp. That will do it for me. Cost including install is around 1900.00.
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All of that doesn't matter if you can't even beat a LIVE AXLE SPORTS CAR! It's GM's rival, and they failed. The ZL1 costs more. Strike one. The ZL1 loses the quarter. Strike two. The ZL1 has "supreme handling" but still loses on the road course. Strike three, they are out. One or two hot laps? Who is going to enter their car into ANY race with an extended period of time without changing the brakes anyway? Point is, one test lap, one quarter test, and two victories for the GT500. Any way you slice the pie, its still pie. As for gears, that car is in fifth before half the strip is gone. Umm...geared. There is also a highly modded ZL1 on this forum with 760whp. No nitrous. Found the thread this morning, can't find it again. He ran high tens. Same as this so called "bolt on ZL1." If bolt ons get the ZL1 to 760whp I will eat the whole car in its entirety. Isn't going to happen.

The M6? Really? I'm the one smoking, huh? The M6 pulls 13s. European versions are rated at 14. Wonder which will win. My freaking stock CSRT4 pulled a 14. That is a very poorly put together "shoot out."
The ZL1 costs less and where did it loose in the road course test?
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I like the overall drive of the ZL1 but the acceleration never feels brutal. Balanced cars tend not to feel brutal though.

I would rather have the ZL1 than an SS or 1le hands down though even moded. Mag ride and robust drivetrain. Speed comes easy to these cars.

the nice thing on a boosted car about wanting more power is it just does not get much easier to add. I have seen people run high 10's with 600whp and that is 3k away from any tuner.
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All of that doesn't matter if you can't even beat a LIVE AXLE SPORTS CAR! It's GM's rival, and they failed. The ZL1 costs more. Strike one. The ZL1 loses the quarter. Strike two. The ZL1 has "supreme handling" but still loses on the road course. Strike three, they are out. One or two hot laps? Who is going to enter their car into ANY race with an extended period of time without changing the brakes anyway? Point is, one test lap, one quarter test, and two victories for the GT500. Any way you slice the pie, its still pie. As for gears, that car is in fifth before half the strip is gone. Umm...geared. There is also a highly modded ZL1 on this forum with 760whp. No nitrous. Found the thread this morning, can't find it again. He ran high tens. Same as this so called "bolt on ZL1." If bolt ons get the ZL1 to 760whp I will eat the whole car in its entirety. Isn't going to happen.

The M6? Really? I'm the one smoking, huh? The M6 pulls 13s. European versions are rated at 14. Wonder which will win. My freaking stock CSRT4 pulled a 14. That is a very poorly put together "shoot out."
Where is the GT 500's Nurburing time? We know they ran it. The test was done with a 2012 ZL1 and a 2013 GT 500. They couldn't even compare the same model year. And the nice thing about the ZL1 is they made it with room for much more power and the GT 500 is already pushing its limits.
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Whatever VETT guy's or STANG guy's say's i love my ZL1, just the look of it beats them all !.. may be its not faster then a GT500 on quater miles but in my case i can mod and add HP ,in GT500 case whatever i would do, i wouldn't be able to change the skin to get the look that i want(you could have a PINTO whit 1000HP and beat my Z like if i was driving a scooter...i wouldn't want it anyway ...and for the Vett guy's GT-R's beat Vett's.. like GT500 beat ZL1...would you change your mind for a GT-R,,i doubt.......
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..and for the Vett guy's GT-R's beat Vett's.. like GT500 beat ZL1...would you change your mind for a GT-R,,i doubt.......
I would.
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All of that doesn't matter if you can't even beat a LIVE AXLE SPORTS CAR! It's GM's rival, and they failed. The ZL1 costs more. Strike one. The ZL1 loses the quarter. Strike two. The ZL1 has "supreme handling" but still loses on the road course. Strike three, they are out. One or two hot laps? Who is going to enter their car into ANY race with an extended period of time without changing the brakes anyway? Point is, one test lap, one quarter test, and two victories for the GT500. Any way you slice the pie, its still pie. As for gears, that car is in fifth before half the strip is gone. Umm...geared. There is also a highly modded ZL1 on this forum with 760whp. No nitrous. Found the thread this morning, can't find it again. He ran high tens. Same as this so called "bolt on ZL1." If bolt ons get the ZL1 to 760whp I will eat the whole car in its entirety. Isn't going to happen.

The M6? Really? I'm the one smoking, huh? The M6 pulls 13s. European versions are rated at 14. Wonder which will win. My freaking stock CSRT4 pulled a 14. That is a very poorly put together "shoot out."
Who is this guy? This must be amateur night? Misquoting, not believing. Why are you here? Troll? I stopped reading after he thought the ZL1 didn't beat the following cars at VIR's lightning lap:

1 2:45.9 MOSLER MT900S LL3 11/08
2 2:48.6 DODGE VIPER SRT10 ACR LL3 11/08
3 2:49.8 MOSLER PHOTON LL5 2/11
4 2:49.8 CHEVROLET CORVETTE ZR1 LL3 2/10
5 2.49.9 FERRARI 458 LL4 12/12
6 2:51.8 LAMBO GALLARDO LP570-4 SUPERLEGGERA 2/11
7 2:52.3 KTM X-BOW LLU 2/10
8 2:53.5 CHEVROLET CORVETTE Z06 (Z07) LL3 2/11
9 2:53.9 LAMBORGHINI MURCIÉLAGO LP670-4 SV LL5 2/10
10 2:54.6 FERRARI 430 SCUDERIA LL5 11/08
11 2.55.1 LEXUS LFA LL5 12/12
12 2:55.6 NISSAN GT-R LL3 11/08
13 2:55.9 PORSCHE 911 GT3 RS LL4 2/11
14 2:57.4 DODGE VIPER SRT10 LL3 10/07
15 2.57.5 CHEVY CAMARO ZL1 LL2 12/12
16 2:57.5 PORSCHE 911 TURBO S LL4 2/11
17 2:57.6 ARIEL ATOM 3 LLU 2/10
18 2:58.0 MERCEDES-BENZ SLS AMG LL4 2/11
19 2.58.0 MERC C63 BLACK SERIES LL3 12/12
20 2:58.2 CHEVROLET CORVETTE Z06 LL3 8/07
21 2:58.5 CHEVROLET CORVETTE GRAND SPORT LL2 2/10
22 2.58.9 PORSCHE 911 CARRERA S LL3 12/12
23 2:59.0 NISSAN GT-R (ALL-SEASON TIRES) LL3 11/08
24 2:59.5 AUDI R8 5.2 FSI LL4 2/10
25 3.00.6 FORD SHELBY GT500 LL3 12/12
26 3:00.7 FORD GT LL4 11/06
27 3:01.1 CHEVROLET CORVETTE Z06 LL3 11/06
28 3:01.2 CHEVROLET CORVETTE (Z51) LL2 11/08
29 3.01.5 CHEVY CAMARO SS 1LE LL2 – 12/12
30 3:01.6 DODGE VIPER SRT10 LL3 11/06
31 3:01.8 PORSCHE 911 GT3 LL3 8/07
32 3.02.1 JAGUAR XKR-S LL4 12/12
33 3:03.6 CHEVROLET CORVETTE (Z51) LL2 8/07
34 3:03.8 PORSCHE BOXSTER SPYDER LL3 2/11
35 3:04.0 CADILLAC CTS-V SEDAN LL2 11/08
36 3:04.0 FORD MUSTANG SHELBY GT500 LL2 2/11
37 3.04.02 PORSCHE BOXSTER S LL3 12/12
38 3:04.2 CADILLAC CTS-V COUPE LL3 2/11
39 3.04.3 AUDI RS5 LL3 12/12
40 3:04.5 LOTUS EXIGE S LL3 8/07
41 3.04.7 BMW M6 LL3 12/12
42 3.05.2 BMW M5 LL3 12/12
43 3:05.4 BMW M3 COUPE LL2 2/10
44 3:05.4 LEXUS IS F LL2 2/11
45 3:05.6 BMW M3 COUPE LL2 11/08
46 3:05.6 PORSCHE 911 CARRERA S LL3 2/10
47 3:05.8 PORSCHE CAYMAN S LL3 2/10
48 3:05.8 PORSCHE 911 TURBO LL4 8/07
49 3:05.9 FORD MUSTANG SHELBY GT500 LL2 8/07
50 3:06.4 JAGUAR XKR LL3 2/10
51 3:06.5 MERCEDES-BENZ C63 AMG LL2 11/08
52 3:06.5 MERCEDES-BENZ E63 AMG LL3 2/11
53 3:07.4 FORD MUSTANG SHELBY GT500 LL2 2/10
54 3:08.3 LOTUS EVORA LL3 2/11
55 3:08.4 AUDI TTS LL2 2/10
56 3:08.6 FORD MUSTANG GT 5.0 LL2 2/11
57 3:08.9 JAGUAR XFR LL2 2/11
58 3:09.2 LOTUS ELISE LL2 11/06
59 3:09.3 CHEVROLET CORVETTE (Z51) LL2 11/06
60 3:09.5 PORSCHE CAYMAN S LL2 11/06
61 3:09.5 CHEVROLET CAMARO SS LL2 2/10
62 3.09.8 AUDI S6 LL3 12/12
63 3:10.0 BMW M6 LL3 11/06
64 3:10.5 BMW 335I COUPE LL2 8/07
65 3:10.6 MITSUBISHI LANCER EVOLUTION SE LL2 2/11
66 3:10.8 AUDI S4 LL2 2/10
67 3:11.0 FORD MUSTANG SHELBY GT500 LL2 11/06
68 3:11.0 AUDI RS4 LL3 8/07
69 3:11.7 BMW Z4 M COUPE LL2 8/07
70 3:12.0 NISSAN NISMO 370Z LL2 2/10
71 3:12.5 NISSAN 350Z TRACK LL1 11/06
72 3:12.5 FORD MUSTANG V-6 LL1 2/11
73 3:13.0 CHEVROLET COBALT SS LL1 11/08
74 3.13.2 BMW 335I SEDAN LL2 12/12
75 3:13.3 FORD MUSTANG GT LL1 2/10
76 3:13.3 MITSUBISHI LANCER EVOLUTION MR LL2 11/08
77 3:13.5 MITSUBISHI LANCER EVOLUTION IX MR LL1 11/06
78 3:13.7 BMW 135I COUPE LL2 11/08
79 3:13.8 HYUNDAI GENESIS COUPE 3.8 R-SPEC LL1 2/11
80 3:13.8 SUBARU IMPREZA WRX STI SEDAN LL2 2/11
81 3.13.9 HYUNDAI GENESIS 3.8 R SPEC LL2 12/12
82 3:14.0 LEXUS IS F LL2 11/08
83 3:14.6 AUDI S5 LL2 11/08
84 3:14.8 HYUNDAI GENESIS COUPE 3.8 LL1 2/10
85 3:15.0 HONDA S2000 CR LL2 11/08
86 3:15.7 PONTIAC SOLSTICE GXP LL1 8/07
87 3:16.0 MAZDASPEED 3 LL1 8/07
88 3:16.2 MAZDASPEED 3 LL1 2/10
89 3:16.3 DODGE CHALLENGER SRT8 LL2 11/08
90 3:16.5 SUBARU IMPREZA WRX SEDAN LL1 2/11
91 3:16.6 SUBARU IMPREZA WRX HATCHBACK LL1 2/10
92 3:16.6 LOTUS ELISE SC LL2 11/08
93 3:16.7 MAZDA RX-8 R3 LL2 2/11
94 3:17.1 MINI JOHN COOPER WORKS LL1 2/10
95 3:17.5 INFINITI G37 COUPE SPORT LL2 11/08
96 3.17.8 DODGE CHARGER PURSUIT LLOINK 12/12
97 3:18.2 DODGE CHARGER SRT8 LL2 11/06
98 3.18.6SUBARU BRZ LL1 12/12
99 3:19.0 MAZDA RX-8 LL1 11/06
100 3:19.0 SUBARU IMPREZA WRX STI HATCHBACK LL2 11/08
101 3:19.3 VOLKSWAGEN GTI MKVI LL2 2/10
102 3:20.6 CHEVROLET COBALT SS SUPERCHARGED LL1 11/06
103 3:20.8 DODGE CALIBER SRT4 LL1 11/08
104 3:20.9 FORD MUSTANG GT LL1 11/06
105 3.21.4 FORD FOCUS ST LL1 12/12
106 3:21.8 VOLKSWAGEN R32 LL2 11/08
107 3:22.9 MINI COOPER S LL1 8/07
108 3.23.0 CHEVY CAPRICE PPV LLOINK 12/12
109 3:24.8 HONDA CIVIC SI MUGEN LL2 11/08
110 3:25.1 VOLKSWAGEN GTI MKV LL1 11/06
111 3:26.5 HONDA CIVIC SI COUPE LL1 11/06
112 3:26.6 VOLVO C30 VERSION 2.0 LL1 11/08
113 3.27.3 FIAT 500 ABARTH LL1 12/12
114 3:29.3 MAZDA MX-5 MIATA LL1 11/06

And for the record the GT500 is a great car........in a straight line. This was never GT500 vs. ZL1. If you like going fast for 11 seconds go for it. If you like driving fast on a road course......I wouldn't trust my life to a live axle.
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