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Old 07-18-2013, 05:54 PM   #26
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Old 07-18-2013, 06:18 PM   #27
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I don't know "Pete" from Peddlers at all and I have no idea what he said. If he said a strut tower brace "does not do anything" I guess I will say he is lying. I know it makes a car chassis stiffer by closing the top half of what would be a "u" shaped structure. I know cars continue to get stiffer and stiffer chassis. That is part of the reason why a lightweight Camaro still weighs 4000+ pounds. But adding that strut brace stiffens the structure just like adding a roof over the convertible. Does Pete say the roof does not do anything? I'm really not trying to get in a fight here. I have driven many cars with various levels of chassis stability and that brace is going to stiffen up the car under heavy corning loads. If you are good you can drive a convertible fast on the track but a good driver almost always laps faster with the hardtop than the vert because the chassis is stiffer. That generally makes the car more predictable and easier to drive fast at the performance edge. That is what that brace does. If a machine can't measure it then I say you need a better machine because you can feel it. I will not be taking my brace off.
If your love is road courses I do no think a Kenny Bell is the ticket. Drags they can probably made to work well.
....You may want to research who Pete is.
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Old 07-18-2013, 07:17 PM   #28
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If your love is road courses I do no think a Kenny Bell is the ticket. Drags they can probably made to work well.
....You may want to research who Pete is.
My love is definitely road courses. To be honest nobody on a small budget runs forced induction at road courses because it is so hard to deal with the heat. Kenny Bell seems to be a little worse so not a consideration for me. I also like top speed runs and would love to do Bonneville. The silver state thing looks fun if you could qualify in a faster class than entry level. I tried to google Pete at Peddlers and got mostly stuff about bicycle racing.....lol. Any more hints if I should know who he is?
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Old 07-18-2013, 07:54 PM   #30
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Lol... Peter Basica and the company is Pedders with no "L". If he wants to take the brace off that is okay, I'm still going to leave mine on.
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My love is definitely road courses. To be honest nobody on a small budget runs forced induction at road courses because it is so hard to deal with the heat. Kenny Bell seems to be a little worse so not a consideration for me. I also like top speed runs and would love to do Bonneville. The silver state thing looks fun if you could qualify in a faster class than entry level. I tried to google Pete at Peddlers and got mostly stuff about bicycle racing.....lol. Any more hints if I should know who he is?
It is Pedders.... not peddlers.

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Old 07-19-2013, 12:02 PM   #32
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I don't know "Pete" from Peddlers at all and I have no idea what he said. If he said a strut tower brace "does not do anything" I guess I will say he is lying. I know it makes a car chassis stiffer by closing the top half of what would be a "u" shaped structure. I know cars continue to get stiffer and stiffer chassis. That is part of the reason why a lightweight Camaro still weighs 4000+ pounds. But adding that strut brace stiffens the structure just like adding a roof over the convertible. Does Pete say the roof does not do anything? I'm really not trying to get in a fight here. I have driven many cars with various levels of chassis stability and that brace is going to stiffen up the car under heavy corning loads. If you are good you can drive a convertible fast on the track but a good driver almost always laps faster with the hardtop than the vert because the chassis is stiffer. That generally makes the car more predictable and easier to drive fast at the performance edge. That is what that brace does. If a machine can't measure it then I say you need a better machine because you can feel it. I will not be taking my brace off.

You seem to be a bit lost on whom people that know suspension actually are? You also seem to be stuck on proving that the stock two point brace is in fact stiffening "the chassis". I stated before in the past the older generation cars needed the bracing more. Have you seen the photos of the Gen5 chassis cutaway and the crash test video that shows the stiffening of the front end area for safety? He actually does address the issue of a strut tower brace on convertibles. The convertibles also have bracing underneath for added support since there is no "B pillar" for rigidity. You aren't the only ZL1 owner that tracks their car. I did this crap in the 1990's where were you then? I would think you'd be open to learn something instead of quoting what you've read in an article? It seems you pulled together a bunch of articles in your mind to form this stubborn stance. Next time at the track run your car with and without the strut tower brace and compare times. Too stiff a front end and you'll float a front wheel through the corners on tight courses. Just for documentation here's a shot of a real Camaro race car with a true strut tower brace. Notice it ties into the firewall to add the third point for rigidity. That is a "Strut Tower Brace!

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Old 07-19-2013, 12:34 PM   #33
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You seem to be a bit lost on whom people that know suspension actually are? You also seem to be stuck on the brace stiffening "the chassis". I stated before in the past the older generation cars needed the bracing more. Have you seen the photos of the Gen5 chassis cutaway and the crash test video that shows the stiffening of the front end area for safety? He actually does address the issue of a strut tower brace on convertibles. The convertibles also have bracing underneath for added support since there is no "B pillar" for rigidity. You aren't the only ZL1 owner that tracks their car. I would think you'd be open to learn something instead of quoting what you've read in an article? Next time at the track run your car with and without the strut tower brace and compare times. Too stiff a front end and you'll float a front wheel through the corners on tight courses.Just for documentation here's a shot of a real Camaro race car with a true strut tower brace. Notice it ties into the firewall to add the third point for rigidity.
I'm brand new to the Camaro. Until about 3 weeks ago I never owned one or looked at them much. Thanks for bringing Pete's name to my attention. There are thousands of people around the globe that make their living as "suspension experts". I must admit that from the little bit of research I have done it looks like Pedder's products have some success to back them up. If I had the opportunity I would love to talk to him for a while and find out what he has tried on the ZL1. Not a lot of ZL1 specific parts for sale on their web-site. Talking to someone that has first hand experience sure beats trial and error. Cars are a hobby for me now but I like speed. I am always open to learning new things but I'm also pretty strong willed on voicing what I know to be true by personal experience. Chassis rigidity = good, Chassis flex = bad. From what I have read so far the suspension bushings are giving a lot more flex than the chassis. The little bit I have driven this Camaro, I really like the Chassis, I can believe that the hardtop strut tower brace is not doing much even at crazy corning loads... The car feels really solid. I may be kind of old school but I would try that 3 point brace long before I would just take the stock one off. Anyway, I'm not here to offend anyone, I actually am trying to learn what I can about this new car and this forum has been very helpful. Thanks for calling me out.... I've learned some good stuff just on this thread.
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Old 07-19-2013, 12:37 PM   #34
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Old 07-19-2013, 12:39 PM   #35
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Trap speed 123 --60 ft 1.695 - boost 16 . Spun the tires a bit but we are going next weekend to the track hopefully get it to hook and bring that 60 ft number down and see how much more I can get out of it. It does have DR on it.

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Old 07-19-2013, 01:23 PM   #36
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Trap speed 123 --60 ft 1.695 - boost 16 . Spun the tires a bit but we are going next weekend to the track hopefully get it to hook and bring that 60 ft number down and see how much more I can get out of it. It does have DR on it.
Sorry for the thread hijack! I'm sure with a bit of experimentation and getting comfortable those times will come down. Good luck with your goals!
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Old 07-19-2013, 01:23 PM   #37
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Trap speed 123 --60 ft 1.695 - boost 16 . Spun the tires a bit but we are going next weekend to the track hopefully get it to hook and bring that 60 ft number down and see how much more I can get out of it. It does have DR on it.
awesome 60 need that trap up now! with an rotofab intake and 8.6 lower i put down a 122 trap on my otherwise stock zl1
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Sorry for the thread hijack! I'm sure with a bit of experimentation and getting comfortable those times will come down. Good luck with your goals!
No worries thanks man! I actually am going to have a custom strut tower bar built for it but for now I will live without it.
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Old 07-19-2013, 08:19 PM   #39
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I'd love to see videos of it in action if you have any!! Sweet set up! I loved my old KB twin screw!
Thanks man! I will post some video after my next weekend of racing.
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Old 07-19-2013, 08:22 PM   #40
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what was your trap speed? and how much boost are you running? any other mods?
Trap speed 123 --60 ft 1.695 - boost 16 . Spun the tires a bit but we are going next weekend to the track hopefully get it to hook and bring that 60 ft number down and see how much more I can get out of it. It does have Drag radials and Magna-Flow exhaust.
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Old 08-25-2013, 08:37 PM   #41
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Old 08-31-2013, 06:14 PM   #42
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Id like to buy a 3.6 kit. But I dont want to change to outer appearance by changing the stock hood. Any suggestions? Like a K-member or engine lowering?
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Old 12-26-2013, 05:41 PM   #43
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Hi, southbayZL1
How is the car and the supercharger doing ? , was wondering how the gas mileage changed.
Any updates would be great
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Update

So I had my car in Chicago this summer to run it at the drag strips there. I just shipped it back to SoCal last month. It got back here just in time to avoid the snow and 10 degree weather. I got to run it at Byron Dragway Byron Il, Great Lakes Dragway in Union Grove Wisconsin, and Route 66 in Joliet Il. Car ran solid all summer and fall.
In fact we got to take to Byron on November 9th (50 degrees that day). It snowed on the 11th so we squeezed in one last day at the track.

got the car to run a 10.94
60 ft 1.58
trap speed 126 on that run
Boost 17

best trap speed we ran was 129 on few runs.

To answer the question about the gas mileage I'm not sure how the gas mileage has changed because I haven't really been keeping close track but I will keep an eye on it and see how its doing.

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So I had my car in Chicago this summer to run it at the drag strips there. I just shipped it back to SoCal last month. It got back here just in time to avoid the snow and 10 degree weather. I got to run it at Byron Dragway Byron Il, Great Lakes Dragway in Union Grove Wisconsin, and Route 66 in Joliet Il. Car ran solid all summer and fall.
In fact we got to take to Byron on November 9th (50 degrees that day). It snowed on the 11th so we squeezed in one last day at the track.

got the car to run a 10.94
60 ft 1.58
trap speed 126 on that run
Boost 17

best trap speed we ran was 129 on few runs.

To answer the question about the gas mileage I'm not sure how the gas mileage has changed because I haven't really been keeping close track but I will keep an eye on it and see how its doing.
Awesome thanks for the update,
I am considering purchasing a KB 2.8LC upgrade , and mine is a daily driver out in so cal 91 gas.any input would be great.
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So I had my car in Chicago this summer to run it at the drag strips there. I just shipped it back to SoCal last month. It got back here just in time to avoid the snow and 10 degree weather. I got to run it at Byron Dragway Byron Il, Great Lakes Dragway in Union Grove Wisconsin, and Route 66 in Joliet Il. Car ran solid all summer and fall.
In fact we got to take to Byron on November 9th (50 degrees that day). It snowed on the 11th so we squeezed in one last day at the track.
got the car to run a 10.94
60 ft 1.58
trap speed 126 on that run
Boost 17
best trap speed we ran was 129 on few runs.
To answer the question about the gas mileage I'm not sure how the gas mileage has changed because I haven't really been keeping close track but I will keep an eye on it and see how its doing.
That is awesome. Kenne Bell makes a great supercharger.
Enjoy that beast!
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so your KB is running 16lbs of boost? if so, then obviously that's why you're getting over 100rwhp from stock. I'd be curious to see what the KB vs stock SCer would be at stock boost levels. kinda hard comparing something the size of a watermelon vs the size of a cherry.
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so your KB is running 16lbs of boost? if so, then obviously that's why you're getting over 100rwhp from stock. I'd be curious to see what the KB vs stock SCer would be at stock boost levels. kinda hard comparing something the size of a watermelon vs the size of a cherry.

Point well made, there are several making the same type of numbers with the stock 1.9 when the boost is increased to 15 lbs without any major heat soak using a good exchanger. The KB really does look nice but for the gains and money can this be justified?
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Point well made, there are several making the same type of numbers with the stock 1.9 when the boost is increased to 15 lbs without any major heat soak using a good exchanger. The KB really does look nice but for the gains and money can this be justified?
The difference is there's plenty left in the KB. Where as the 1.9 is maxed out at about 15-16 lbs. I believe you can get about 26 lbs of boost out if the KB 2.8.
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Lol... Peter Basica and the company is Pedders with no "L". If he wants to take the brace off that is okay, I'm still going to leave mine on.
Just saw this and need to clarify. My WoW statement had nothing to do with Pedders. I just happened to post following yours.

WoW... goes to the OP and the KB...
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