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Old 07-19-2013, 10:22 PM   #1
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Bought a Meguiars Dual Action polisher today

It was on for $199 and came with a back plate and two pads. Was going to get PC xp7425 , but this came with two pads

Now I need clay and cut/polish. I will practice on my 2005 PT turbo before the camaro!

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That's not really that good of a good deal. Not sure if shipping to Canada would add more to the price. Also not sure of the difference between Canadian and US $$.

http://www.autopia-carcare.com/porte...r-pad-kit.html
http://www.autopia-carcare.com/porter-cable-combo.html
http://www.autopia-carcare.com/dual-...isher-kit.html
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That's not really that good of a good deal. Not sure if shipping to Canada would add more to the price. Also not sure of the difference between Canadian and US $$.
The difference in money isn't the problem, it's import duties and taxes that make everything or about everything in Canada cost more.

Canada is a great place to live but it comes at a high price, if you're a beer drinker you'll find out real soon what it cost to live in Canada.

Congrats on the polisher, let us know how it works out for you.
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Old 07-21-2013, 07:31 PM   #4
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The difference in money isn't the problem, it's import duties and taxes that make everything or about everything in Canada cost more.

Canada is a great place to live but it comes at a high price, if you're a beer drinker you'll find out real soon what it cost to live in Canada.

Congrats on the polisher, let us know how it works out for you.
Bingo. Whenever im in the US I top up on meguiars gold class car wash. Always seem to get them on sale at target for $5 or less. Here I pay $20.
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Im thinking about getting this buffer package.I have never had one(or a nice car)and am nervous that it will actually put swirls in the paint from all the buffing.My paint is perfect,and just looking for a better/easier way to make her shine.What info do you guys have? Thanks http://www.amazon.com/Griots-Garage-...arage+polisher
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Im thinking about getting this buffer package.I have never had one(or a nice car)and am nervous that it will actually put swirls in the paint from all the buffing.My paint is perfect,and just looking for a better/easier way to make her shine.What info do you guys have? Thanks http://www.amazon.com/Griots-Garage-...arage+polisher
You won't put swirls into your car unless you are using a compound or using really bad technique.

As far as getting the Griot's Garage, great choice! Best entry level polisher hands down.

Their polishes don't have much acclaim to them, but I tell you what will work if you make your own kit.

Griot's Garage 6 inch 3rd generation
Optimum Hyper Polish
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6 Lake Country flat 5.5 inch Pads - 3 white, 3 orange
5 inch Lake Country backing plate

You're looking at probably 30 dollars more than the kit you listed, but I can pretty much guarantee this will work on your Camaro and will be much easier than the Griot's stuff you will get in the package deal.
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Thanks,that didn't take long.This is a great place here.
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If Lake Country 6" pads are anything like there 3" pads I'd pass, I use the CG Hex-Logic pads and found them much better then the Lake Country pads. JMO
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If Lake Country 6" pads are anything like there 3" pads I'd pass, I use the CG Hex-Logic pads and found them much better then the Lake Country pads. JMO
Which kind? There are 4 different kinds.

I recommended the flat which are the cheapest and work very well.

There are also hydrotech, ccs, and waverunner or something similar.

I dislike ccs.

I like hydrotech.

I've never used the wave one.

Which one are you talking about?
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eUber pads are great. Then again Buff and Shine make most of these companies pads. Just head over to Autoality and pick up a 6 pack of buff and shine 5.5" pads or 2 meg's Microfiber pads.

Oh I don't know if your credit card has a price match but Amazon had this on their gold box deal today for $135. Mine does if it's a difference of more than $25.

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Meguiar's Microfiber Cutting

And make sure you have one of these as well
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Which kind? There are 4 different kinds.

I recommended the flat which are the cheapest and work very well.

There are also hydrotech, ccs, and waverunner or something similar.

I dislike ccs.

I like hydrotech.

I've never used the wave one.

Which one are you talking about?
I've never used a CCS for polishing but it seems like a bad idea. It seems like it would hold on to product too long in those pockets, especially polishes you need to work until flashing.
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I have looked at the Porter Cable 7425XP, and the Meguiars and was leaning towards the PC versus the Meguiars from opinions and experience that members have suggested was user friendly and the quality? The biggest drawback is getting the pads locally in my area.

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It was on for $199 and came with a back plate and two pads. Was going to get PC xp7425 , but this came with two pads

Now I need clay and cut/polish. I will practice on my 2005 PT turbo before the camaro!

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I have looked at the Porter Cable 7425XP, and the Meaguers and was leaning towards the PC versus the Meaugers from opinions and experience that members have suggested was user friendly and the quality?
Go with the Griots 6".
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Which kind? There are 4 different kinds.

I recommended the flat which are the cheapest and work very well.

There are also hydrotech, ccs, and waverunner or something similar.

I dislike ccs.

I like hydrotech.

I've never used the wave one.

Which one are you talking about?
Hydro-Tech Pads.
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Interesting, why didn't you like them? I really like those, and in 3 inch they work great on my Griot's Garage 3 inch.

I use them here to correct hard camaro paint on a Griot's Garage 3 inch:

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If Lake Country 6" pads are anything like there 3" pads I'd pass, I use the CG Hex-Logic pads and found them much better then the Lake Country pads. JMO
I like the CG hex logic pads as well. I have a few LC pads and they work well, just like the feel of the hex logics better.
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Thanks for the advice ,how do you like the different handle feature compare to PC,it looks like you would have better control of the polisher versus the PC model.
Theirsno Griots dealers here in my area and getting the pads would be difficult unless I order online and then Revenue Canada and the border people wants your arm and a leg for duty fees.lol.

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It looks like you are applying quite a bit of force against the paint,I have seen reviews on here where to not apply to much force and let the polisher do it's job.By the way it must take you a week to do the job.

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Interesting, why didn't you like them? I really like those, and in 3 inch they work great on my Griot's Garage 3 inch.

I use them here to correct hard camaro paint on a Griot's Garage 3 inch:

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Thanks for the advice ,how do you like the different handle feature compare to PC,it looks like you would have better control of the polisher versus the PC model.
Theirsno Griots dealers here in my area and getting the pads would be difficult unless I order online and then Revenue Canada and the border people wants your arm and a leg for duty fees.lol.
I personally don't use any handles I think I have better control without them due to applying force directly over the working area.

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It looks like you are applying quite a bit of force against the paint,I have seen reviews on here where to not apply to much force and let the polisher do it's job.By the way it must take you a week to do the job.
Pressure is going to vary to get the results you want. More pressure, not hard enough where it stops rotating, can change your cutting ability and some will lessen pressure on their final passes. But arm pressure and arm speed is dependent on how the paint is and what gets you the results you want. There is no exact pressure that will work on every car, every area, scratch, defect, etc.... It's all a test until you find what works, then repeat over the entire car.
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It looks like you are applying quite a bit of force against the paint,I have seen reviews on here where to not apply to much force and let the polisher do it's job.By the way it must take you a week to do the job.
Haha it takes me only about 6 to 8 hours to do a full 2 step paint correction.

The 3 inch GG is the slowest machine I have at paint correction.

For it to work correctly, you must use a bit of force while making sure the pad is still rotating.

That's also true for any entry level D/A: Porter Cable, Griot's, or Meguiar's.

It's when you get to higher level D/As that you can really just let the weight of the machine do the job for you.
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Interesting, why didn't you like them? I really like those, and in 3 inch they work great on my Griot's Garage 3 inch.

I use them here to correct hard camaro paint on a Griot's Garage 3 inch:

After watching your video ^ a couple of weeks ago I ordered a GG 3" polisher as well as the LC 3" pads, maybe it's just me but I found the pad too soft. JMO
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I have looked at the Porter Cable 7425XP, and the Meguiars and was leaning towards the PC versus the Meguiars from opinions and experience that members have suggested was user friendly and the quality? The biggest drawback is getting the pads locally in my area.
Where in Canada are you? I use eshine.ca very reasonable!
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Virgin clay and buff

OK. So I had some time tonight .. well not really I should have been getting ready for my work trip to Ottawa and detailed my Camaro! .. but my wife was at work so I decided I would get out the clay and my new toy.

My PT has sat in that same spot since at least Nov 2012. This is my winter beater that I basically let sit. I am not sure if I am going to sell it or keep it. I want an old truck as a winter beater. Something a kin to a rat rod truck. So the PT is my paint correction test lab.

First I used the 3M light treatment on my headlights. The pictures really don't do it justice. They were in MUCH worse condition in real life and they look 95% of brand new in real life. Not sure if the picture do it justice or not. That took me about 45 to do both. It comes in a kit with sanding pads and some buffer pads. Just follow the instructions and take your time. CHANGE the sanding pads frequently. If you start leaving plastic over burn on the headlights its time to change pads. I really recommend just splitting the 500/800 grit pads into two a pile for left and pile for right. use them all and you will get the best results. If you try and cheap out and do more then 1 car, trust me it will only be 50% as good. Boom head lights done.

Gave the Pt a bath with water and Dawn ultra.

Now the clay. The clay I used was the only clay bar kit I could find in my area that was not over $60. Sorry but **** that I am not spending $60 on clay for my PT cruiser and my first time with clay. I used Simonizer clay bar kit. It's junk! The kit came with 2 bars, detail spray and a microfibre towel for $22. I have used their detail spray a long time ago. Its mostly water, not something I would ever use on my car, I am pretty sure I gave it away. Its just lube so I used it. It was VERY VERY stiff and was more like a combo of rubber and stale clay. It was very hard to fold. Once you got it wet enough, it was so so. But by the end of the PT claying, the clay was a soaking pile of goo. Just barely enough left to get through the car. Not like anyone here would use that shit. but I did. I used one bar in the kit for the whole car, if this was my camaro i would have used both bars. well honestly this clay would never touch my clear coat!

This is my practice run with my polisher and I just could not bring myself to play with a polisher without at least claying the car first. The clay did a decent job of getting the clear coat clean, it just felt cheap and fell apart. Maybe all clay is like this, I don't know. But I would clay a section until it felt slick and smooth. I would give it one more once over and then use a glad bag method Junkman uses before I moved on. The trunk was the longest and for some reason the passenger side door just had more junk and took at least 3-4 times longer then every other section. I would say it took me about 2 hours to clay the car. I did not rush this. I was not trying to "speed" clay, but I was pretty confident that i got every inch as clean from the clay as i could.

Now on to the Meguiar's polisher. I used their pads and again the only polishing compound i could find was meguiar;s #9 compound and meguiar's #1 polish. I got the compounds from the Napa store. The pads i used were black and then their yellow and came with the polisher.

I was not happy with any of the compounds or the pads.

The medium cut #9 (professional series) I giwas basically a thick liquid. And this was slinging product all over the place and I used 5 dots, then pressed it into the hood, and used detail spray on the pad. STARTED the polisher while it was ON the hood, and it still slung product all over. Sure I would expect some cause I am a noob, but it seemed like a LOT. I am going to take this shit back and get my money back. The next part could be my fault, it did not cut at all. It seemed more like a POLISH then a cut. I tried to do my best to follow junkman's technique. It seemed to just take out very minor swirls. Again. this could be my noobness.

Next was the #1 polish. its hard to say how this worked because I was so unimpressed with the medium cut. The only good news was this was more like the paste consistency I expected. tried to give it a good go, but I did not really notice any major pop to the paint from the medium #9 cut.

I will say that I was happy with the preformance of the polisher itself it seemed very high quailty and it was easy to control. I felt comfortable with it, I did not fell like I had to fight it to much. I am sure with more time behind me this will only get better.

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1. Dirty and blind! No wash, no headlight treatment!


2. Passenger side treated and finished. Driver side left o'natural!


3. Close up of the passenger side.


4. Headlights done, washed, dried and clayed!


5. Cut, polished and detail quick sprayed
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That's a crazy amount of clay! Usually for one bar I'll split it into 3 and use each bar 2-3 times before it's trashed.

For the polisher, next time put it on your panel and spread it around on your working area on no speed, working down any globs, this will reduce slinging of product. Also you may have to work it longer, how were you doing section passes and how many on what speed? As for not getting enough cut you may have to increase pressure applied, each paint is different and will require different amounts of pressure and arm speed. Aim for about 1 rotation per second (mark the backing plate if able with a permanent marker) and moving 1" per second.
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On your claying, if the bar is hard like your describing the thing to do is get a cup of warm water and stick it in there a couple minutes. It also seems that you used way to much detail spray as clay shouldn't break down as you stated. Also always split your bar to 2 or 3 pieces. I know someone else uses an entire bar not very logical.

Mequiars #9 is meant to be used on single stage paint and has a very long working time and will most likely introduce micro marring. Honestly, with your polisher and what your polishing I would go with something else. You can still use this but you will have follow it up with something else.

Mequirses #1 is meant to be used on rotary.

Also I would suggest looking on YouTube for other videos on polishing than just looking at one persons videos it will help in the long run.
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