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Old 07-22-2013, 01:05 AM   #26
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Jamie knows what I'm getting at. It's the old adage "my car is fast, I need ridiculous plugs for my ridiculous power". When in reality the OEM plug is all around the best plug you can get at.
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Old 07-22-2013, 07:56 AM   #27
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I had misfires with the NGKs when starting, idling, light throttle, and returning to idle. I hated those plugs. I'd give the ZR1 plugs a shot, the $80 plugs made one of the biggest differences on a stupidly expensive car
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You're all a bunch of dopes. Couple wanna be's, few has beens and a never was.

Been on the ZR1 plugs for a few years now. They've been working great in my 9 second car. To bad no one else can say that in here.

Over 100 on the nitrous now, still on the ZR1 plugs.

Well past 600 rwhp... Still on ZR1 plugs. Seems to work ok....


I keep considering the ZR1 plugs but just keep thinking that I should go 1 step colder than stock due to the 12 psi, and another step colder due to the 125 shot. Also I keep thinking a non protruding plug is safer, which puts me to the Denso IT22 if I want to stay iridium.

Not at all doubting your success with the ZR1's. Just wondering when you factor in my stock cam and compression if my dynamic compression coupled with my mods might make me borderline on the ZR1's. 1 step colder than those and non protruding would for sure leave more safety margin as long as they don't foul or leave me with the light throttle misfire notorious of copper plugs in these cars.

Of course I may just be a set of ZR1 plugs, an ice chest and a mountain of frozen water away from 9's.
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Old 07-22-2013, 10:10 AM   #28
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I keep considering the ZR1 plugs but just keep thinking that I should go 1 step colder than stock due to the 12 psi, and another step colder due to the 125 shot. Also I keep thinking a non protruding plug is safer, which puts me to the Denso IT22 if I want to stay iridium.

Not at all doubting your success with the ZR1's. Just wondering when you factor in my stock cam and compression if my dynamic compression coupled with my mods might make me borderline on the ZR1's. 1 step colder than those and non protruding would for sure leave more safety margin as long as they don't foul or leave me with the light throttle misfire notorious of copper plugs in these cars.

Of course I may just be a set of ZR1 plugs, an ice chest and a mountain of frozen water away from 9's.
Go to the NGK website and educate yourself,after all why do the make colder plugs if one size fits all? I remeber when some were braging on running the stock plug and making 600 plus hp yada yada and as soon as the zl1 was out and GM used a colder plug,as they should since it went from 426hp to 580 those same guys jumped to the colder plug and braged about how it was so much better. Most dont understand what a plugs function is ,and its alot harder to tune a car with colder plugs so alot of shops run hotter plugs to make there job easier. Ive never put denzos in a car and not picked up power and the last a long long time.Good luck
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Old 07-22-2013, 10:17 AM   #29
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BR7EF plugs here for the last 3000 miles. My tuner highly recommended these plugs and loves to tune with them. Pat Guerra tuned the car. I have had not a single issue.
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What is the number of the ZR1 plug? In other works what do I ask for at the Auto Parts Store?
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Good info. Guess I will have to switch and give them a try. I also get some misfires on startup with the TR7's... Maybe the ZL1 plugs would help with that. Guess it's worth a shot for $80.
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ZR1 plugs are good but for people pushing 850+ I think they are a bit too cold.
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Old 07-22-2013, 11:27 AM   #33
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ZR1 plugs are good but for people pushing 850+ I think they are a bit too cold.
a bit to "hot"
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Old 07-22-2013, 11:29 AM   #34
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ZR1 plugs are good but for people pushing 850+ I think they are a bit too HOT.
Fixed it for ya.

They are a 6 heat range by the number system we are all now used to. The NGK system, and others.

I'm thinking 600 or more at the wheels through an auto should be a 7 heat range and shouldn't be protruded if using nitrous.

I'm using an 8 right now and I think it is a little too cold. Not staying clean. Gotta find that balance between holding enough heat to stay clean, but not so hot at WOT that they melt, or cause detonation.

But some, like Jamie are having a ton of luck with the ZR1's at big power levels. Of course if he melts something he has enough extra parts to sell off and pay for a rebuild. LOL.

But what do I know, I'm still in the figuring and deciding process myself. Not the easiest choice to make.
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BR7EF plugs here for the last 3000 miles. My tuner highly recommended these plugs and loves to tune with them. Pat Guerra tuned the car. I have had not a single issue.
Yea I ran those for 15000 miles with no issues. Tuned by Futral.
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Old 07-22-2013, 11:33 AM   #36
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Go to the NGK website and educate yourself,after all why do the make colder plugs if one size fits all? I remeber when some were braging on running the stock plug and making 600 plus hp yada yada and as soon as the zl1 was out and GM used a colder plug,as they should since it went from 426hp to 580 those same guys jumped to the colder plug and braged about how it was so much better. Most dont understand what a plugs function is ,and its alot harder to tune a car with colder plugs so alot of shops run hotter plugs to make there job easier. Ive never put denzos in a car and not picked up power and the last a long long time.Good luck
This.

There are specific plugs with specific heat ranges for specific applications
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with that said, the only way to tell if you have the proper heatrange is to check the plugs. There really is no all around plug for every aspect of ones application. ESP when you start messing with forced induction.
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Yep, my bad. Too hot. Brain fart.
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Old 07-22-2013, 12:14 PM   #39
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I run the NGK TR6 I have not noticed any issues yet with them my tunner told me to run them so I did I am 90 percent sure he is also running an ngk not sure how cold and he is near 1100hp I was suprised when he said not to waste my money on the ZL1 plugs. I dont have an opinon as I have not run the ZL1 plugs but I am pretty happy with the NGK thus far.
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I know JRE has pushed the ZR1 plugs past 800 before, and he highly recommends them as well. I thought the delayed starting was because of my injectors, turns out the plugs weren't getting the job done. Drove the car 60 miles yesterday and didn't have a so for stutter, cough, and it didn't search for idle either.
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Are some of you changing your plugs out at the track to a colder one to use with the blower and Nitrous and running a hotter one on the street to keep from fouling?
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this is my policy at the shop for FI apps:
up to 600rwhp zr1/tr6ix
up to 750 rwhp tr7ix
750+ tr8ix

mind you this is a general rule of thumb I very things from application to application... if I am hitting a car with a lot of nitrous we'll like move into a non-projected tip plug, but that doesn't mean I recommend them as a DD plug. cruising and 200+ shot of nitrous are two very different things.
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Are some of you changing your plugs out at the track to a colder one to use with the blower and Nitrous and running a hotter one on the street to keep from fouling?
I keep the ZR1 plug in all the time. Track or street (17k miles). Ill pull 1 or 2 after a day at the track to let Ted look at them but that's it. We swap them out at the start of every year.
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Are some of you changing your plugs out at the track to a colder one to use with the blower and Nitrous and running a hotter one on the street to keep from fouling?
That would be ideal,of coarse with the denzos we dont have much of an issue. I came across Denzos when we were racing for the ODBA championship,which is outboard two stroke. We would have to change out the NGKs everytime the boat hit the water,they would foul out.We switched to Denzos and ran the whole year on the same set! Also picked up a boat length out of the whole which is huge.,General rule is for every 75-100hp you should go one set colder,this is for WOT,if you drive that plug back and forth to work it may foul out. A spark plug takes HEAT out of the combustion chamber,higher hp =higher heat so you need the colder plug.
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I keep the ZR1 plug in all the time. Track or street (17k miles). Ill pull 1 or 2 after a day at the track to let Ted look at them but that's it. We swap them out at the start of every year.
What size shot are you hitting it with... i assuming 100 or 150 maybe less?
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What size shot are you hitting it with... i assuming 100 or 150 maybe less?
In between those. Nothing huge. Prob close to a 125.
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Right now i run TR6's on the street and switch out to TR7s at the track with a 150 Shot and 104 octane. It would be so nice to not have to do that since i really dont use the juice that much. I bracket race so no need for the juice in my opinion since my car is pretty consistent without it. However my car attracts a lot of attention where im from and its nice to hit it with the juice and race gas once in awhile without having to change plugs to give a show. I go back to 93 octane once i leave the track and have to switch the plugs back out. Its becoming a pain and ive done it several times
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Are some of you changing your plugs out at the track to a colder one to use with the blower and Nitrous and running a hotter one on the street to keep from fouling?
I'm running mine all the time but I'm currently running Brisk 12's which is the same as an NGK 8 heat range. 12 psi and a 125 shot. I'm 99.9% light throttle cruise and they aren't staying clean and are starting to foul I think.

Think I'm going to try the Denso IT22's.
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Right now i run TR6's on the street and switch out to TR7s at the track with a 150 Shot and 104 octane. It would be so nice to not have to do that since i really dont use the juice that much. I bracket race so no need for the juice in my opinion since my car is pretty consistent without it. However my car attracts a lot of attention where im from and its nice to hit it with the juice and race gas once in awhile without having to change plugs to give a show. I go back to 93 octane once i leave the track and have to switch the plugs back out. Its becoming a pain and ive done it several times
If you are not boosted, just the spray, look at the Denso IT20's. same heat range as the ZL1 plugs, still iridium, but non projected tip for nitrous.
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What is the number of the ZR1 plug? In other works what do I ask for at the Auto Parts Store?
They are AC Delcos, 41-104 is the number I think.
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