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Old 07-22-2013, 02:29 PM   #51
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I run the NGK TR6 I have not noticed any issues yet with them my tunner told me to run them so I did I am 90 percent sure he is also running an ngk not sure how cold and he is near 1100hp I was suprised when he said not to waste my money on the ZL1 plugs. I dont have an opinon as I have not run the ZL1 plugs but I am pretty happy with the NGK thus far.
You need to put stock plugs back on your car and do a back to back comparison you will be amazed at what your missing with your FORD Plugs.

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I know JRE has pushed the ZR1 plugs past 800 before, and he highly recommends them as well. I thought the delayed starting was because of my injectors, turns out the plugs weren't getting the job done. Drove the car 60 miles yesterday and didn't have a so for stutter, cough, and it didn't search for idle either.
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If you are not boosted, just the spray, look at the Denso IT20's. same heat range as the ZL1 plugs, still iridium, but non projected tip for nitrous.
I run 12psi and 150 shot
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I run 12psi and 150 shot
I just can't wrap my head around the idea of running a projected tip plug like the ZL1 for that. Especially on pump gas no meth. N/A or with some boost and some big power, maybe. Teds tuning is top notch but I could never suggest projected tip plugs with nitrous.

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Old 07-22-2013, 03:16 PM   #55
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I just can't wrap my head around the idea of running a projected tip plug like the ZL1 for that.

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I just can't wrap my head around the idea of running a projected tip plug like the ZL1 for that. Especially on pump gas no meth. N/A or with some boost and some big power, maybe. Teds tuning is top notch but I could never suggest projected tip plugs with nitrous.

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The Biggest Misconception about plugs is that they control combustion temps.

They DON'T.

The Tune Up Controls Combustion Temps, if the plug gets hot enough to melt a colder plug will not fix that..

The Heat Range of a Plug has soley to do with keeping it self clean, it has been found the optimum combustion chamber temperature for gasoline engines is between 500░C–850░C. Within that range it is cool enough to avoid pre-ignition and plug tip overheating (which can cause engine damage), while still hot enough to burn off combustion deposits that cause fouling.

Bonneville salt flats means Cold Plug

Driving around the City means Hot Plugs.

The Plugs that come in the ZL-1 are meant for Both.

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By stock you are refering to the ZL1 plug not the stock LS3 plug correct ?
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They are AC Delcos, 41-104 is the number I think.
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Ted, are you saying i could the ZL1 plug for driving around on the street, Dragstrip with 93-104 octane without NOS and 150 shot on the strip with race fuel and be fine to go back to driving on the street without changing plugs..... if my tune is setup for that correct?
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By stock you are refering to the ZL1 plug not the stock LS3 plug correct ?
Missed the parts about the Maggie in your Signature Yes ZR-1 plugs which is the same as ZL-1 Plugs
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Ted, are you saying i could the ZL1 plug for driving around on the street, Dragstrip with 93-104 octane without NOS and 150 shot on the strip with race fuel and be fine to go back to driving on the street without changing plugs..... if my tune is setup for that correct?
Yes it is all in the Tune.

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Yes it is all in the Tune.

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Thank ya sir... hopefully Mike will figure it out cause its becoming a pain changing plugs every time at the track. Looks like ive been in a fight with the cat with all the scratches on my hands from changing them. Plus the risk of messing one up by being in a hurry
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Ted, I know the plug doesn't control combustion temps. But won't I be borderline on turning the projected tip plug into a detonation hazard in the combustion chamber with nitrous and boost and pump gas and no meth and a fairly high dynamic compression ratio of a stock cammed L99?
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Ted, I know the plug doesn't control combustion temps. But won't I be borderline on turning the projected tip plug into a detonation hazard in the combustion chamber with nitrous and boost and pump gas and no meth and a fairly high dynamic compression ratio of a stock cammed L99?
The only way to tell is READ YOUR PLUGS and Adjust your tune up accordingly.

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Old 07-22-2013, 04:58 PM   #65
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Just to confirm the zl1 and zr1 plug is the same plug does anyone have a part number
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You can get away with a projected tip on FI, but on nitrous I can tell you for a fact that the zr1 plug is too hot for a cammed/nitrous setup. I tried them with a 150 shot with up to 8* of timing pulled out. Still too hot. On my motor setup they are perfect though. I run the BR7EF plugs on the giggly juice.

Every setup is different, gotta read the plugs to know what the engine wants. It you have a 10 lb setup on boost and you are having to pull timing down really low to make it work, the plug is too hot. Sure the hotter plugs drive and idle better, but Ill take a little more safety with my setup.
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Old 07-22-2013, 05:49 PM   #67
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i want to get this straight so the people that are running ngk tr6 are you running the tr6ix or just thr tr6 I am not running the irredium just the tr6 4177 as this is what I was told to run by my tunner I was just curious if this is the same plug that many others are running and aside from the zr1 ac delco plugs
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A lot of people run the tr6 plugs, tr6ix is just the iridium version.
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You can get away with a projected tip on FI, but on nitrous I can tell you for a fact that the zr1 plug is too hot for a cammed/nitrous setup. I tried them with a 150 shot with up to 8* of timing pulled out. Still too hot. On my motor setup they are perfect though. I run the BR7EF plugs on the giggly juice.

Every setup is different, gotta read the plugs to know what the engine wants. It you have a 10 lb setup on boost and you are having to pull timing down really low to make it work, the plug is too hot. Sure the hotter plugs drive and idle better, but Ill take a little more safety with my setup.
Exactly. I'll stick to running the correct plug for my setup. I run non-projected tip plugs and haven't ran a regular plug since my trans am was n/a 7 years ago.
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k thought thats what people where doing but then people started dropping the ix in there and lost me I am not going to switch mine to the zl1 or ix as I have been pretty happy with the tr6 so far
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They were a little tight, I gapped them to .040, but most of them were very close to that.
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The only way to tell is READ YOUR PLUGS and Adjust your tune up accordingly.

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Yeah, that's what I'm doing. NGKBR7's misfired at cruise. Brisk 12's (8 heat range) are too cold. No signs of heat and are not staying clean. I think I'll go with the Denso IT22's, then if they are too cold by readings Ill try the ZR1's. hate to buy so many plugs but I'd rather sneak up from it on the cold side than go too hot and detonate.
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Yeah, that's what I'm doing. NGKBR7's misfired at cruise. Brisk 12's (8 heat range) are too cold. No signs of heat and are not staying clean. I think I'll go with the Denso IT22's, then if they are too cold by readings Ill try the ZR1's. hate to buy so many plugs but I'd rather sneak up from it on the cold side than go too hot and detonate.
Smart move,the denzos will work great
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They were a little tight, I gapped them to .040, but most of them were very close to that.
To big of a gap with a blower and nitrous. We tightened up the gap after Ted learned some stuff on the dyno.
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