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Old 07-04-2009, 02:01 PM   #1
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Another set of dyno numbers plus..

Ok.. so decided to do some baseline pulls on the car. Took it to the shop that did all the tuning on my Mustang... a place I trust! LOL!

Number were basically identical to MadMaxx's. Best pull was 248 HP / 222 TQ. This however was on a DynoJet... hmmm... Maxx's was on a Mustang Dyno which usually reads about 12% lower than a DJ... Maxx any chance your shop has their Mustang dyno calibrated to read like a DJ? I know some shops will do that... If not I think you have a factory freak!

Quick run of the math 304HP at crank with 248 at the wheel... 304 - 248 = 56 HP loss. 56 / 304 = 18.4% loss... which is about right for a automatic... So I would say we have a pretty darn good base line! LOL!

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And of course the video! LOL!



Now.. here comes the interesting parts... I had Lidio pull up a 100% stock 2005 Mustang V6 automatic dyno pull and over lay it with one of mine...




Also... just had to stop at the track on way home... no big head wind today! LOL! I only made a couple passes since I told the Mrs. I wouldn't be gone ALL day! LOL! New personal best for the car! (although the MPH is about 10 MPH off!!! No idea what was going on with that! Speed read 93 going through the traps..) This was Sport mode, TC on and a fairly aggressive launch with a bit of chirping..



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Old 07-04-2009, 02:04 PM   #2
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WoW... those are GREAT V6 numbers....
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Wait...

100% stock V6 what? You didn't say if it's a Camaro, a Mustang...what are you comparing this to?
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100% stock V6 what? You didn't say if it's a Camaro, a Mustang...what are you comparing this to?
D'oah!! Sorry... Mustang... I fixed original post... Thanks!
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Ok.. so decided to do some baseline pulls on the car. Took it to the shop that did all the tuning on my Mustang... a place I trust! LOL!

Number were basically identical to MadMaxx's. Best pull was 248 HP / 222 TQ. This however was on a DynoJet... hmmm... Maxx's was on a Mustang Dyno which usually reads about 12% lower than a DJ... Maxx any chance your shop has their Mustang dyno calibrated to read like a DJ? I know some shops will do that... If not I think you have a factory freak!

Quick run of the math 304HP at crank with 248 at the wheel... 304 - 248 = 56 HP loss. 56 / 304 = 18.4% loss... which is about right for a automatic... So I would say we have a pretty darn good base line! LOL!

here's the sheet:



And of course the video! LOL!



Now.. here comes the interesting parts... I had Lidio pull up a 100% stock 2005 Mustang V6 automatic dyno pull and over lay it with one of mine...




Also... just had to stop at the track on way home... no big head wind today! LOL! I only made a couple passes since I told the Mrs. I wouldn't be gone ALL day! LOL! New personal best for the car! (although the MPH is about 10 MPH off!!! No idea what was going on with that! Speed read 93 going through the traps..) This was Sport mode, TC on and a fairly aggressive launch with a bit of chirping..



Nice dyno and 1/4 mile run. Those V6 Camaro's are good runners.
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Ok.. so decided to do some baseline pulls on the car. Took it to the shop that did all the tuning on my Mustang... a place I trust! LOL!

Number were basically identical to MadMaxx's. Best pull was 248 HP / 222 TQ. This however was on a DynoJet... hmmm... Maxx's was on a Mustang Dyno which usually reads about 12% lower than a DJ... Maxx any chance your shop has their Mustang dyno calibrated to read like a DJ? I know some shops will do that... If not I think you have a factory freak!

Quick run of the math 304HP at crank with 248 at the wheel... 304 - 248 = 56 HP loss. 56 / 304 = 18.4% loss... which is about right for a automatic... So I would say we have a pretty darn good base line! LOL!

here's the sheet:



And of course the video! LOL!



Now.. here comes the interesting parts... I had Lidio pull up a 100% stock 2005 Mustang V6 automatic dyno pull and over lay it with one of mine...




Also... just had to stop at the track on way home... no big head wind today! LOL! I only made a couple passes since I told the Mrs. I wouldn't be gone ALL day! LOL! New personal best for the car! (although the MPH is about 10 MPH off!!! No idea what was going on with that! Speed read 93 going through the traps..) This was Sport mode, TC on and a fairly aggressive launch with a bit of chirping..



Mustang Dyno's (and any other load based dyno) can be calibrated to put out whatever numbers the owner wants.
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Thanks for clarification. That makes sense now. As expected, the Camaro has lots more power than the V6 Mustang.
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Thanks for clarification. That makes sense now. As expected, the Camaro has lots more power than the V6 Mustang.
What was interesting is the HP/TQ are basically identical up to about 3700 RPM... and then the Camaro just takes off! LOL! BTW, the Mustang is a 4.0L vs the Camaro's 3.6L... So the Mustang has 11% ore displacement... With the 2011 the V6 Mustang will be getting the 3.7 which is currently rated at around 270... which will definitely make thing very interesting!
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Mustang Dyno's (and any other load based dyno) can be calibrated to put out whatever numbers the owner wants.
Man I can't tell if you're being objective or just shitting on their parade....
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Man I can't tell if you're being objective or just shitting on their parade....
He's being VERY objective... Mustang dyno's do tend to give lower numbers... but people like higher numbers... so some shops will calibrate their Mustang Dynos to read higher like the Dyno Jet numbers to aid in customer satisfaction...

I no longer get hung up on dyno numbers... but I do like them to use it simply as a gauge to show incremental improvements... then it's off to the track! LOL!
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Mustang Dyno's (and any other load based dyno) can be calibrated to put out whatever numbers the owner wants.
Please don't quote posts like that. It's really irritating to scroll through.
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Man I can't tell if you're being objective or just shitting on their parade....
No, I'm being serious. To compare dyno's on the net, the best way to do it is to use DynoJet numbers. Load based dyno's have too many variables and then STILL could be manipulated by the dyno operator to put out whatever he/she feels is correct.

For tuning purposes, though, load based dyno's are better. But for comparing between different cars in different locations, DynoJet is the most consistant (not perfect either but definately better).
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No, I'm being serious. To compare dyno's on the net, the best way to do it is to use DynoJet numbers. Load based dyno's have too many variables and then STILL could be manipulated by the dyno operator to put out whatever he/she feels is correct.

For tuning purposes, though, load based dyno's are better. But for comparing between different cars in different locations, DynoJet is the most consistant (not perfect either but definately better).
Agreed... you'll notice I also posted the SAE numbers.... which makes things even more consistent...
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I'd rather be disappointed than think I have 30 hp more than I really do. I can handle the truth.
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The shop I hit was notorious for low numbers...especially compared to a dynajet. I doubt they are rigging their numbers
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The shop I hit was notorious for low numbers...especially compared to a dynajet. I doubt they are rigging their numbers
Based on my Mustang dyno experience... you would be looking at 325 at the crank... Sorry if I missed it... i did search first... but have you run at the track yet? just curious...
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Based on my Mustang dyno experience... you would be looking at 325 at the crank... Sorry if I missed it... i did search first... but have you run at the track yet? just curious...
Not yet, but we did the "mock quarter" dyno feature and ran like a 14.48@96

I'll eventually get around to running it, but I will say this car runs a dead heat w/ a G37, which has more power and almost identical weight.

Maybe I got a ringer
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Not yet, but we did the "mock quarter" dyno feature and ran like a 14.48@96

I'll eventually get around to running it, but I will say this car runs a dead heat w/ a G37, which has more power and almost identical weight.

Maybe I got a ringer

I did a "simulated" 1/4 using my MSD Dashhawk (pulls all the info from the ODB-II port... very cool little unit). Did it on the back roads... I was able to get some very aggressive launches on the nice tray asphalt... much harder than I can get at the Test and Tune days at the track... Dashhawk said 14.43... forget the trap speed...

Trying a different track this weekend (weather permitting)... hopefully i can get the 60' time down!
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Dang, looks like the new v6 camaros will be a pretty good race for the 4th gen eclipses. I took mine to the track and ran a 14.6 with only axleback exhaust. I have to say i love these cars with the rs package.
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I'm still searching for the 300lbs of lead they've hidden on the frame somewhere... once I find it, I'll be a happy camper.
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I'm still searching for the 300lbs of lead they've hidden on the frame somewhere... once I find it, I'll be a happy camper.
Well, once you find it, PM me!!!! We'll keep it our little secret! LOL!

I've shown the car to a couple of my automotive engineer buddies... they all have the same reaction when I tell them it weighed in at 3840 sans driver, "Where in the heck is all that weight????" LOL!
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heheh... those mufflers got to weigh 20lbs each easy. I don't even want to know what my 20" wheels clock in at.. eek
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Dang, looks like the new v6 camaros will be a pretty good race for the 4th gen eclipses. I took mine to the track and ran a 14.6 with only axleback exhaust. I have to say i love these cars with the rs package.

Yep... should be very close!

found the 2006 on the 0-60 list:

2006 Mitsubishi Eclipse GT 5.8 14.4

looks like it's a hair quicker... but it think it's really going to boil down to a drivers race! Don't see any Eclipses at the tracks that I go to..
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heheh... those mufflers got to weigh 20lbs each easy. I don't even want to know what my 20" wheels clock in at.. eek
yeah... but those 20"s look soooooo good!!! And I am not a fan of big wheels at all!!! And you know Nitto makes a 20" drag radial... (in a 275/40/20 and a 305/35/20)

The mufflers... not so pretty... LOL!

Going to the track Saturday... Will not be rushed for time so I can work on the best way to launch...
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Are you auto or manual? I too will be going to the track this weekend. Hopefully I can find a v6 Camaro to line up with lol. What mods are you planning on doing first?
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