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Old 08-06-2013, 09:34 AM   #1
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Awards presented by the Mod's and GM

Is there going to be a list of what cars won what awards as presented by the Mod's and GM? Curious to see who our peers chose.
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Old 08-06-2013, 11:49 AM   #2
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I'd like to see that too.

The choice of the yellow 5th gen as best 5th gen has been....shall we say....controversial.
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Old 08-06-2013, 11:57 AM   #3
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I'd like to see that too.

The choice of the yellow 5th gen as best 5th gen has been....shall we say....controversial.
Why so? I thought he had a clever display, and did an overall great job of presenting his car. Am I missing something? You are talking about the yellow 5th gen 1/2 on the ramps with the mirrors under it correct?
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Old 08-06-2013, 12:13 PM   #4
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I'd like to see that too.

The choice of the yellow 5th gen as best 5th gen has been....shall we say....controversial.
That said. If you can show me any car show in the world where everyone agreed on the top cars. I will eat my hat.

They are all controversial in someones eyes.
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Old 08-06-2013, 03:27 PM   #5
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Agreed. That show would have been a very tough one to judge in the 5th gen category. So many awesome clean tasteful cars.
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Actually, car shows are quite simple.
The most correct, flawless, cleanest car wins. Modified cars do not win (outside of modified classes).
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Why so? I thought he had a clever display, and did an overall great job of presenting his car. Am I missing something? You are talking about the yellow 5th gen 1/2 on the ramps with the mirrors under it correct?
Car shows are not supposed to be about the presentation or the display.
It's about the car. The most correct, most flawless, cleanest car should win.
Modified cars should not win outside of a modified class.
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Old 08-06-2013, 05:30 PM   #8
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I was surprised by the choice of the winner of the 5th gen class as well, however, I thought the work that was done to his car was damn nice. Some of the paint work and detail work done on that car was phenomenal. Clean? Yeah. Different? Yeah. And modified? His car had stock wheels (that were painted 6 ways to Sunday) stock airbox and intake (that were painted as well) and no body mods that immediately come to mind...so technically, other than paint, there were no body or performance modifications to the car that I recall.
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Old 08-06-2013, 05:36 PM   #9
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Actually, car shows are quite simple.
The most correct, flawless, cleanest car wins. Modified cars do not win (outside of modified classes).
So if someone had bought a Camaro off the show room floor that morning and drove it straight to the Fest, they would have won. Correct?
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Clearly the show portion wasn't advertised as a 1000pt system show where much of the above would apply. This was put on and judged by the local Camaro club, Adams and some GM reps. Hardly experienced 1000pt judges.

Even then you have plenty of lobbying for x car over another due to a genuine armrest vs a repro. Happens all the time. I wasn't even at this event but know enough to realize this type of show anyone can win. Straight stock or not and modified gets pretty dicey with this type of show. I'm sure everyone did their best and it's all in fun anyways.
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Old 08-06-2013, 07:43 PM   #11
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So if someone had bought a Camaro off the show room floor that morning and drove it straight to the Fest, they would have won. Correct?
If it was the most correct, most flawless, cleanest car in it's class, then YES!
You may not agree with that, but that's how real car shows work.

They have modified classes for cars that are modified. That's where they belong.
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Clearly the show portion wasn't advertised as a 1000pt system show where much of the above would apply. This was put on and judged by the local Camaro club, Adams and some GM reps. Hardly experienced 1000pt judges.

Even then you have plenty of lobbying for x car over another due to a genuine armrest vs a repro. Happens all the time. I wasn't even at this event but know enough to realize this type of show anyone can win. Straight stock or not and modified gets pretty dicey with this type of show. I'm sure everyone did their best and it's all in fun anyways.
That's why I don't take any of my cars to popular judged shows. Most people don't know their butts from a hole in the ground when it comes to judging a car.

If it has "pretty rims" or chrome under the hood, they think it should win.
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Old 08-06-2013, 08:03 PM   #13
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I went to get autographs last year and won a Camaro award. Wasn't in the show, showed up and won. She said she just loved my car and wanted to have her award. I got a little choked up there.

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Old 08-06-2013, 08:18 PM   #14
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Um no and no. At the fest from what I've seen. All cars are together and looked at and judged as such.
My 2lt Rs 2010 was lucky enough to grab John Fitzpatrick award and it was heavy modified. Remember its about the CARS and owners.
I didn't get to see this car but who ever did realy liked it and so there is an award for them.
How about good job to said owner.
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Old 08-06-2013, 08:22 PM   #15
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I actually know the owner of said yellow Camaro. He is in my Camaro club. He puts more time into cleaning and maintaining his car than anyone I know. Is it my personal favorite car? No. Mine is. But his car is clean and done really nicely. I say congrats Bill!

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Pic of my old Camaro that took a very cool award last year
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Old 08-06-2013, 08:26 PM   #17
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As one of the Mods that I talked to said, he was given a plaque to hand out to the car "he " liked best. I think the bar was set high this year and you will have to bring your "A" game to win.
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Old 08-06-2013, 08:43 PM   #18
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I received this from Art during the CamaroCross on Saturday morning. Needless to say, I was rather shocked but extremely happy to receive the award. I let him ride shotgun during my last 3 or 4 runs and he said he loved my car and wanted to give me his award. Couldn't thank him enough for it!
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Old 08-06-2013, 08:46 PM   #19
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Well well well, never expected the aforementioned comments. It wasn't just about a clever setup nor what it just about chrome. if you thought that then you didn't really look at the car or know what you were looking at. Car shows are about original and or modified cars presented in the most clean, polished, finished form as possible, especially in light of the miles traveled. in other words, those that are not trailer queens and look better then they did off the showroom floor should be first. that car had 29,000 miles on it and did not have a spec of dust or dirt undercarriage, topside, suspension, inside, engine, wheel wells, tires ect. Equally as important, the car was FINISHED with a capital F from top to bottom. Just a few of the hundreds of touches included: Most of the nuts, bolts and screw visible to the human eye in the door jams and engine compartment was capped in aluminum billet chrome plated caps and door latches, trunk latches switches the same. the undercarriage of the car was pristine from front to rear with high gloss clear coated rally yellow paint and striping on the underside to match the exterior. It takes 15 hours of labour to clean just the undercarriage of this car properly for a show like this.The exhaust system was completely painted and both stock mufflers professionally airbrushed to advertise the Chevrolet and SS model that it was. The engine compartment, interior quarter panels, tower struts and inside hood, was completely repainted with high gloss clear coated rally yellow, the valve covers were powder coated rally yellow and stock OEM exhaust manifolds were silver ceramic coated. In addition, there was an enormous amount of labour in the custom painted engine cover, intake ductwork, hinges, ect and a professionally airbrushed hood pad. The car had custom painted striping and airbrushing on the exterior hood, front diffuser spoilers, rear diffuser, doors and undercarriage. The cars mirrors were customized as well as its door handles and satellite antennas and side marker lights with one of a kind lighting which was all functional for normal driving, ie turn signals, hazards, ect. The car had custom grills including rally yellow mesh with yellow functional lighting under the same and functional white LEDS in the mail slot that were functional driving lights as well. The list of what had been done to this car went on for over three pages. it has won over 42 trophies including first place for two years at world of wheels conventions and second place one year at world of wheels convention in it's class and over 20 first place trophies in 1000 point system shows.
The TIME and LABOUR involved to put that together and to maintain it is beyond what you could ever imagine.

ENOUGH SAID !
THANK you to the judges for recognizing quality when they saw it.

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Old 08-06-2013, 09:44 PM   #20
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CONGRATS ! To my buddies;
Fast Freddie Team Camaro award recipient, Now that's another awesome car !
Tigger, Team Camaro award recipient, some real unique striping going on there !
Tony No, Moderator Award, a daily driver (snow, rain and sun)that looks great
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Actually, car shows are quite simple.
The most correct, flawless, cleanest car wins. Modified cars do not win (outside of modified classes).

I think you're trying to make a rule for all car shows...and that may be problematic.

I'm not sure what award you're talking about - but the Disciples, the Moderators, and members of "Team Camaro" were given awards to give out.

Those awards were given to the 'camaro that speaks to you' - put another way - "the Camaro that you'd most like to take back home with you" -

Yes! Subjective as all-get-out.

That does not mean, however, that the person should not have received the award.
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Here's the thread for these awards...

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=311543
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Car shows are not supposed to be about the presentation or the display.
It's about the car. The most correct, most flawless, cleanest car should win.
Modified cars should not win outside of a modified class.
WTF ?

I think a car show like CamaroFest where everyone has at least the same 5TH GEN body, and has done no mods is not a a SHOW CAR!

I do see points for having a clean car/spotless whatever, but a stock 5th Gen next to a modify 5th Gen is not a show car


First CamaroFest I won BEST OF SHOW and MOST MODIFIED
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Old 08-07-2013, 05:32 AM   #24
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First off, it seems that many of these cars are nice and well done. I don't want to take that away from anybody.

But, it's also important to convey that this type of " popular judging" is subjective as well. Just like Scott said. This way, people understand why one car was chosen over another.

Maybe you want to think about adding a 100 point, concourse class as well. This class would only be open to stock vehicles and would be purely objective. Again, based on correctness, flawlessness, and cleanliness.

Something to think about.
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JFTR the GM people, C5 moderators, and disciples each had an award to give to their chosen car.

Adams' chose the "Best of Show" and "Best Paint/Exterior."

The CICC determined the following awards using a version of a 100 point system. (I didn't judge [too hard!], did my time at the registration booth.)

Best 1st gen
Best 2nd Gen
Best 3rd Gen
Best4th Gen
Best 5th Gen
Best interior
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