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Old 07-24-2013, 12:11 AM   #1
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1LE Maiden Track Voyage

If any of you are thinking about tracking your 1LE and haven't yet, just do it! This car absolutely defies it's weight and horsepower, you would swear it was a super-sized Miata with titanium balls the way it stays planted around the track! So easy to drive at it's limits, very predictable, inspiring confidence.

I took it for a track weekend at Thunderhill Raceway in NorCal. The car was barely broken in, no plates yet! Prior to tracking it, I had a track alignment done with -2.0 degrees front camber, -1.1 rear, and a high temp brake fluid flush. Other than that, this 1LE is bone stock (for now ).

Although I had a little experience tracking and took the Ron Fellows ZR1 school, this was the first time I had tracked the 1LE, and also first time at Thunderhill. So I was a little anxious, wondering how hard I should push it. Once I learned the track, I felt immediately comfortable carving the corners. A friend of mine came with me that is an instructor. After riding with him and then him riding with me and helping me figure out the line, we both went solo. I started in the intermediate group, and by the end of the first day moved into the advanced group. There were several Boss 302 Mustangs, some with R compound tires and slicks. Other than the one in the third photo, I was able to pass them. That black Laguna Seca was wicked fast. He was also pulling away on the straights, clearly modified. I have a plan on how to even the playing field, but more on that later in another thread. But even stock, I'm telling you, this 1LE can hang with some pretty fast cars.

Once in the advanced group, the speeds of the cars were quite a bit higher but this Camaro held its own. I passed a GT40, a number of Porsches, and a few cars on slicks. These Goodyears stick like glue, I can only imagine what this will be like when I get some R compound tires. The last picture is the Cyclone, which is Thunderhill's version of Laguna Seca's corkscrew. Most of the faster cars were fairly even, with the exception of that yellow beast closing on me fast in the last picture. That's a Ferrari 458 Challenge running slicks. Far from street legal and brutally fast. There was also a brand new Z06/Z07 with Michelin Pilot Sport Cups, he and the Ferrari were in a league of their own. I was impressed with how the showroom stock Corvette with lesser tires could stay with the race-prepped Ferrari on slicks! I'd wave them by, then enjoy trying to keep up for the 30 seconds or so that they were in my sight, LOL.

The weekend was eventful, including an S2000 that spun right in front of a new Audi TT RS. They crashed hard and came off the track on tow trucks. Luckily no one was hurt. The Audi owner had purchased track day insurance, thank goodness. Something I plan on looking into as well.

If you look at the first picture, you can see that I'm bracing myself in the corners with my arm because the stock seats are not up to the task of hard cornering. My friend was giving me a hard time, because I was often driving 1-handed due to this. I didn't even realize it. The stock seats are very comfortable around town, but I think Chevy was wise by offering Recaros in 2014 models for such a track-focused model. I will be upgrading my seats soon.

Although it's stout and nicely geared with the 3.91 rear end, many of the cars I ran with were modified and would pull away from me in the straights. I think I'd like to give it a HP bump. Other than that, this thing is just a beast on the track. The 1LE is the bargain of the century, I still cannot believe that you can have this much fun and get slot-car performance for a $3500 adder. I will be tracking it 4 more times before I return to Ron Fellows school for Level 2 in October.
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Old 07-24-2013, 12:24 AM   #2
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Old 07-24-2013, 12:29 AM   #3
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Very nice.
I got to ride in a friends 1LE at Hallet. AMAZING!! Those tires stick!
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Old 07-24-2013, 12:30 AM   #4
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Old 07-24-2013, 01:13 AM   #5
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What tire size do you have on the rear?
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Old 07-24-2013, 01:38 AM   #6
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What tire size do you have on the rear?
The stock 285/35-20's all the way around. This cures the Camaro's understeer (along with the 1LE's suspension tweaks), handling is very neutral.
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Old 07-24-2013, 01:49 AM   #7
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Amazing. I cant wait to get mine
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Old 07-24-2013, 05:35 AM   #8
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Nice write up. Sounds like you had a great time and it made me even more pumped to get mine!
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Old 07-24-2013, 08:13 AM   #9
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Do yourself a favor and buy a CG Lock for doing track days. It will cinch the belt down and help hold you in the seat

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Old 07-24-2013, 08:24 AM   #10
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Those are awesome pics. I can even imagine driving on a track with that kind of elevation change, it must be a blast. Glad to see you held your own and passed some quick cars.
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Old 07-24-2013, 09:13 AM   #11
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Do yourself a favor and buy a CG Lock for doing track days. It will cinch the belt down and help hold you in the seat

http://www.cg-lock.com/
Yes my friend that joined me at the track uses one, he also has a pad that he wedges between his side and the center console. Do you find the CG Lock is enough to keep you planted in the seat?

I'm thinking I might also want to go up one level and get seats, as I see R compound tires in my future.
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Old 07-24-2013, 11:45 AM   #12
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That's awesome! Wish we had a track like that here in Mississippi!

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Old 07-24-2013, 12:19 PM   #13
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Nice write up! This may inspire me to take a class to learn track basics.

I did a NJ Motorsports track day with my old suspension modded SS and my instructor, when she was driving, was running down all the beginners cars (Vettes, Mustangs, BMWs, Porsches, etc) except for one instructor driven yellow C6 'Vette with my Camaro. She was floored by the stability of the car, the way she could use the curbs, and the good brakes. But she said it was very much a tank. She raced Miata's.

It took me all day, but by the end she said I was about ready for the Intermediate group. I think more individual instruction will help. Even with the "slow" LS3 it is easy to get into trouble.
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Old 07-24-2013, 12:32 PM   #14
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Yes my friend that joined me at the track uses one, he also has a pad that he wedges between his side and the center console. Do you find the CG Lock is enough to keep you planted in the seat?

I'm thinking I might also want to go up one level and get seats, as I see R compound tires in my future.
It works pretty well, not as good as a race harness and high bolsters, but then there's a trade off with those seats as well as far as comfort
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Old 07-24-2013, 01:10 PM   #15
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Nice write up! This may inspire me to take a class to learn track basics.

I did a NJ Motorsports track day with my old suspension modded SS and my instructor, when she was driving, was running down all the beginners cars (Vettes, Mustangs, BMWs, Porsches, etc) except for one instructor driven yellow C6 'Vette with my Camaro. She was floored by the stability of the car, the way she could use the curbs, and the good brakes. But she said it was very much a tank. She raced Miata's.

It took me all day, but by the end she said I was about ready for the Intermediate group. I think more individual instruction will help. Even with the "slow" LS3 it is easy to get into trouble.
As my friend says, "To go faster, it's best to upgrade the nut behind the wheel first," LOL. I completely agree. Take the Ron Fellows Level 1 class or the ZR1 class at Spring Mountain Raceway. It's right outside of Vegas. Easy to fly to from most places. Plus, you can enjoy Vegas the weekend before or after the class. The place is a Car Country Club, with on-track condos that you can stay in, a swimming pool, club house, even a day spa for your lady if you can believe it. The instruction is a combination of classroom and on-track, highly recommended. Less expensive than some schools, but top notch instruction, equipment and facility. You will take years off of your learning curve as compared to learning it on your own, quite literally.

And guess what? Students drive Grand Sports, Z06s and ZR1s. Instructors drive Camaro 1LEs, on the track at the same time, which tells you how good these Camaros are for both handling and durability.
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Old 07-24-2013, 05:21 PM   #16
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Thanks for the pics orange crush there great!!!!! If you guy's want to keep your ass in your seat i highly recommend my set up.This is a bolt in set up and only takes less then a half hour to uninstall,and 30-45 min,to install.
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Schroth also makes a Rallye 3 harness for that is only $170 per seat, it bolts into existing locations so no harness bar is required. It also has an anti-submarining feature so it is DOT legal as well. I may go this route depending n the recaros are with the stock 3 point.
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Old 07-24-2013, 06:31 PM   #18
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Great to hear a similar story!

This past Thursday and Friday I spent both days at NJMP with my 1LE. I completely flushed and bleed the brake fluid with RBF 600 and had a similar alignment done. I had a great time even though the temperature was in the high 90's and hit 101F after lunch and the track would get fairly slimy after multiple run sessions. Regardless the car was impressively neutral and well balanced around the entire track. It took a little while for me to build confidence with the brakes as I have never driven such a heavy car and I am not used doing track days on stock brake pads and tires. I previously owned and STi and a BMW that were both well prepared and on Toyo RA1 or BFG R1.

Like you I found the Goodyears to be very predictable and capable of being pushed just a bit harder than I would have guessed.

My best lap was a 1:20.624 during the morning session of Friday. Though I have been to many other tracks I had never been to NJMP.

I participated in the time trial in the afternoon. My three laps were as follows:
1:22.073, 1:21.858, 1:21.519 which is fairly consistent once the tires warm up, so I was happy with that.

I don't have any pictures yet but I will share as soon as I can.

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Why would you buy a 3pt,to replace a 3pt?
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Why would you buy a 3pt,to replace a 3pt?
You may have said it, but who makes your harness system, and do you need to drill any extra holes, or does it use existing points for attachmant?
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You may have said it, but who makes your harness system, and do you need to drill any extra holes, or does it use existing points for attachmant?
Absolutely no holes whatsoever to drill, completely bolt in(plug-n-play so to speak)you will need the harness bar http://www.speedwaremotorsports.com/...ce-harness-bar
and tank plate http://www.speedwaremotorsports.com/...ck-tank-plates if you need anymore info just let me know.
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Absolutely no holes whatsoever to drill, completely bolt in(plug-n-play so to speak)you will need the harness bar http://www.speedwaremotorsports.com/...ce-harness-bar
and tank plate http://www.speedwaremotorsports.com/...ck-tank-plates if you need anymore info just let me know.
Thank you. The top link did not work. The tank plate one did. I am sure I can call them. I like that setup!
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Absolutely no holes whatsoever to drill, completely bolt in(plug-n-play so to speak)you will need the harness bar http://www.speedwaremotorsports.com/...ce-harness-bar
and tank plate http://www.speedwaremotorsports.com/...ck-tank-plates if you need anymore info just let me know.
Great info! I'll be doing the harness bar, fixed back seat and the 6 point of course.

Where did you get the tow hook? How is it mounted?
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I got the tow hook from http://www.jdpmotorsports.com/ the front end has to come off,and it mounts to the bumper/brace thingie,not sure what it's actually called,but it bolts to it.
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I really, really like that harness cornerspeed92! I gotta get me one if I am ever to hit the track. Would be scary to hit the curves hard without it
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