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Old 07-24-2013, 09:38 AM   #1
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Considering Meth, opinions welcomed!

So far I'm pretty happy with my setup, but want to see if I can squeeze a bit more out of it.

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I am currently at ~545rwhp @ 6400rpm | 7.8psi /w 93 fuel and ~585rwhp /w 100 fuel. But my IAT's are on the high 160's

I am considering (well, I am past considering, i *want* it and *getting it* ) adding a Meth Kit not only as protection/cooling the charge, but also to grab a few more ponies in the process. Would hoping for ~600rwhp on 93 be too wild of a hope or 625-640rwhp on 100 fuel.

I keep hearing good things about the Alky Meth Kit, and was hoping to pair it with the AIS Trunk Tank (if I can find a vendor that would sell me this mix as a kit)

Questions:
Would I need a single or dual nozzle?
Would it better / simpler / safer to run it from MAF or from Boost?
Would the best setup be Supercharger > Intercooler > Meth > IAT > TB?
Any benefit of going full meth vs a mix with water?
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Old 07-24-2013, 12:12 PM   #2
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ALKY two nozzle setup with map/boost activated. nozzles have to be after the MAF.
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Old 07-24-2013, 12:18 PM   #3
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a dual will work but would probably be overkill for your situation. have it come on at a set boost level, post maf and make sure to run an iat sensor post meth nozzle.

go Supercharger/intercooler/maf/meth/iat/tb

we carry the full ecs line so could set you up if you want.
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Old 07-24-2013, 12:19 PM   #4
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I am running AEM meth kit with one 550cc nozzle on a progressive boost switch - starts ~4psi -> full flow @ 10psi

it brought my IAT's from over 200+ degrees in 90degree weather down to 130 at the most. But when weather is around 70 degree i was seeing about 80-90 degree IAT's.

my car before meth produced 622whp/598tq

next year i will be running a second nozzle as i will be shooting for over 900whp
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Old 07-24-2013, 01:53 PM   #5
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I am running AEM meth kit with one 550cc nozzle on a progressive boost switch - starts ~4psi -> full flow @ 10psi

it brought my IAT's from over 200+ degrees in 90degree weather down to 130 at the most. But when weather is around 70 degree i was seeing about 80-90 degree IAT's.

my car before meth produced 622whp/598tq

next year i will be running a second nozzle as i will be shooting for over 900whp
how much boost, what type of forced induction and whats done to the motor man?
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Old 07-24-2013, 02:05 PM   #6
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how much boost, what type of forced induction and whats done to the motor man?
well it was a rear mount twin turbo setup. I ran around 9-9.5psi at the track. and the motor was completely stock.

cylinder 7 gave up on me at the track so i am in the process of rebuilding the motor.

Most likely going with stock displacement and stock crank with all forged internals. The plan is to run ~16psi on the street and ~20psi at the track.
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Old 07-24-2013, 03:31 PM   #7
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I heart Meth. I made 825rwhp at 15# with a Ysi before meth. I added meth, cam, and 5# of boost. I don't know what I make now but it is more. Car isn't tuned for meth, just there as a safety factor.

However, I am changing to twin turbos and keeping the meth. I am hoping to hit 4 digits on rwhp before I break something.

I have an alky control kit with dual M10 nozzles and using their 4 gallon trunk kit.

Here is a pic of the tank. Install wasn't completely done when taken but that is where it sits. There is no sight reservoir to see how much is in it but it comes with a red LED that lights up when low because it comes with a low lever sensor. The white LED changes illuminates red as meth is being pumped and changes to green with fully pressurized and pumping. If I am not under boost and there is plenty of meth in the tank, neither come on.




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Old 07-24-2013, 05:49 PM   #8
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I heart Meth. I made 825rwhp at 15# with a Ysi before meth. I added meth, cam, and 5# of boost. I don't know what I make now but it is more. Car isn't tuned for meth, just there as a safety factor.

However, I am changing to twin turbos and keeping the meth. I am hoping to hit 4 digits on rwhp before I break something.

I have an alky control kit with dual M10 nozzles and using their 4 gallon trunk kit.

Here is a pic of the tank. Install wasn't completely done when taken but that is where it sits. There is no sight reservoir to see how much is in it but it comes with a red LED that lights up when low because it comes with a low lever sensor. The white LED changes illuminates red as meth is being pumped and changes to green with fully pressurized and pumping. If I am not under boost and there is plenty of meth in the tank, neither come on.




Blake, what turbos are you gonna run? Inquiring minds need to know.
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Old 07-24-2013, 09:33 PM   #9
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Alky Control is the way to go. You only want a single nozzle for that power level. If you call Julio at Alky Control he will answer all your questions, and he knows his stuff.
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Old 07-24-2013, 09:53 PM   #10
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Old 07-24-2013, 10:36 PM   #11
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Do it once and put two nozzles incase you go with more hp in the future. EVERY boosted car we do has two nozzles. The alky kit has a gain knob on it. Just because you run two nozzles doesnt mean you have to over spray it. As always its in the tune.
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Old 07-24-2013, 10:44 PM   #12
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Alky Control is the way to go. You only want a single nozzle for that power level. If you call Julio at Alky Control he will answer all your questions, and he knows his stuff.
+1 and Julio custom builds his kits to your specs, so no need to get another brand trunk tank. I'm at 707 rwhp and the ALKY kit is the shit!
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Old 07-25-2013, 04:38 AM   #13
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Do it once and put two nozzles incase you go with more hp in the future. EVERY boosted car we do has two nozzles. The alky kit has a gain knob on it. Just because you run two nozzles doesnt mean you have to over spray it. As always its in the tune.
I don't agree with this. Adding the second nozzle later, if needed is simple and very inexpensive. If you have too much nozzle, and run the gain control too low, you will have issues.
Its your car and money, so I'll repeat, call Julio. Get the answers from the experts, when ever possible.
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Yeah...Alky Control. For sure. Ask Julio about single vs dual...he will be straight up and tell you what you need.
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I don't agree with this. Adding the second nozzle later, if needed is simple and very inexpensive. If you have too much nozzle, and run the gain control too low, you will have issues.
Its your car and money, so I'll repeat, call Julio. Get the answers from the experts, when ever possible.
i was just going off of the dozens and dozens of alky systems i have installed and we have tuned here at Lethal.
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i was just going off of the dozens and dozens of alky systems i have installed and we have tuned here at Lethal.

I didn't meant to upset you and I know you know your stuff.
I just know that at 550hp, a dual nozzle is overkill and I personally know of cases where running the gain too low (under 4 if I recall) can cause problems with the system.
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I didn't meant to upset you and I know you know your stuff.
I just know that at 550hp, a dual nozzle is overkill and I personally know of cases where running the gain too low (under 4 if I recall) can cause problems with the system.
nah, its not like that.

what i meant is that when we did do one nozzle installs it always turned out that the customer came back later for more hp or, the one nozzle didnt drop the iat's down enough to help out the pulling of timing.
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Alkycontrol for the win. single nozzle will be more then enough for your setup but as Black10 said, a dual while you're in there is worth it since no one ever has enough power. As long as you keep the gain at the appropriate level and the tune is $$$$ you will not have any problems.

Let me know if I can help you in anyway in getting your Alky kit or if you have any questions feel free to ask.
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Ok... Just do the dual if you feel the need. As long as you use Alky Control.

I was single nozzle at 600 rwhp. When I changed to dual, it cost something like 40 bucks for the kit and I had to waste a half hour adding it.
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Old 07-26-2013, 07:18 PM   #21
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Thanks for the info / help I'll keep it all in mind and get in contact with Julio @ Alky. I'll see where I go from there on what to buy for my goals.
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Alky Control, installed @ 497 RWHP with no issues and have since move up to 652 RWHP and still working great! May as well start with dual because you will end up there. We all do
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Old 07-29-2013, 07:54 PM   #24
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Alky control works. Still haven't hurt my motor yet.
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