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Old 07-30-2013, 08:43 AM   #1
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Question Got a Strange Ticket Yesterday

So I was on my way back to work from lunch yesterday and got pulled over... It was on I-240 (Memphis beltway) in a construction zone and the officer verbally stated he got me "doing 61mph in a 45mph". Strange thing, he was the second officer on my break to tail me very close (way closer than any other driver would tail you) and he seemed mostly concerned with if I owned my car or not??? He asked for proof of insurance and as I reached for it he started saying "never mind, never mind, I believe you".

When he got back to my car he said he didn't cite me for the construction zone (which is crucial because I believe it doubles the fine if workers are present) and for only "5mph over". He then said because he only wrote it for 5mph over I could likely get it dropped in court. I know for a fact I was going 56 (not 61) and that he didn't actually radar (LIDAR rather, according to the citation) me because he was on the other side of a concrete barrier (fairly tall) and his car did not have the roof-mounted radar/lidar (I took a picture of his car as proof). He was rolling when I drove by so there is no chance that he had his radar gun out the window and at high enough of a vantage point for it to "see" my car.

So my question is this, what rationale have forum goers used successfully to get a moving violation dropped in court? Also, if it's only 5mph over is it even worth fighting (aka is it going to be reported to insurance)? If it wont be reported I suspect it will be a similar amount of $$$ to pay the ticket as it would be to pay the court costs and a lot less of a hassle. On the other hand I really want the experience of pleading innocent to a citation just to see how the system works. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

P.S. Why are traffic officers so damn strange? Why would they obviously lie to you and then contradict their previous statement in writing? Who in their right mind would actually want to be a traffic officer? Why do we need them if this is what they do all day while they waist gas and our $$$ to keep their pos "hemi's" idling and cranking out a/c for hours on end?
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Old 07-30-2013, 08:48 AM   #2
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Sounds like he was looking for a Camaro that may be stolen...should have just checked your proof of ownership and let you go on your way...the ticket sounds bogus but he probably did not want you to feel he was profiling you.
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Old 07-30-2013, 08:53 AM   #3
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Yea since his story is all screwed up you have a great chance to fight it. He probably won't even show up to that court date so he doesn't looks like a fool trying to remember what happened and what's true.
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Old 07-30-2013, 08:55 AM   #4
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Old 07-30-2013, 08:55 AM   #5
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First lesson. NEVER speak to police. NEVER. NEVER let them search you without a warrant, even if you have nothing to hide. EVER. Its not against the law for police to lie. Its what they do to get you to give up your rights. If you;re driving, show your license and all car information. You dont have to answer one of their questions. You dont even have to speak to them. Dont let them intimidate you out of your rights. They are your rights to protect you from them. Many cops will say "if you have nothing to hide blah blah blah. Dont fall for it. Its your right to refuse their commie searches of your property.
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Old 07-30-2013, 09:01 AM   #6
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http://www-ee.eng.buffalo.edu/facult...ions/lasar.pdf

Just read through this, comparison of RADAR and LIDAR. Pretty interesting, I had no idea that conventional radar couldn't track objects decelerating faster than 1mph/sec (only ~.05 g's), need to remember this. Also, lidar doesn't work well on black cars (my ss is black...)!
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Old 07-30-2013, 09:02 AM   #7
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I would fight it. I think where I am at, Bama, a speeding ticket is a speeding ticket as far as insurance is concerned. So it may cost as much to fight as just paying it up front, but you would possibly save money in the long run on insurance rates. Geico tried to prison rape me on motorcycle insurance because of a ticket I got two yrs ago, I went somewhere else.
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Old 07-30-2013, 09:05 AM   #8
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I zipped past a Tahoe the other nite and noticed i wasn't leaving it....about the time I thought....ut oh...he's pacing me....the blue lights behind the grill lit up....I figured I'd had it....I hit my brakes...he turned off his lights...and I breathed a sigh of relief...he didnt pull me .....just call me lucky....pacing is just as good as radar
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Just for the record NotYetLegend, I absolutely hate that section of 240...it's ridiculous that the speed limit is 45 mph...on the INTERSTATE! There is never anyone working on that stretch of highway! Its been under construction for 5 years. Memphis needs to stop being so damn cheap and finish the project so that they can put the speed limit back where its supposed to be and stop raping its citizens with BS tickets.

With that being said, (knock on wood first) I have not yet gotten a ticket in Memphis (or anywhere for that matter). However, it just really irks me when I see stories of these crap tickets that people get.
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Oh BOY! Another "I got a ticket" thread!

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Old 07-30-2013, 09:33 AM   #11
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Oh BOY! Another "I got a ticket" thread!

I like these threads....
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ok i got stop friday near where you got stopped....(my father inlaw is a Tenn. state trooper)..they where doing zero torrernces/drug interdiction stops..i got pulled over for 3 miles over BUT they didnt ticket me....the officer told me what they where doing
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5mph over , thats chickenscratch ticket.
I dont care who you are , 5mph over is a cop on a power trip.
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you do know the speed limit on 240 between walnut grove and 385 is only 45...oh you do now...lol
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1 mph over can get you a ticket if they want to give you one. In my neck of the woods they will not pull you over until you are about 10 over the limit. I have found if you are nice and respectful, they will more than likely warn you if you are not doing something completely stupid. Be a butt to them and you will most definitely get a ticket. 5 mph over will probably get dismissed if you play nice.
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I've actually heard from family and friends who are cops/police chiefs that they won't pull you over unless your doing 10 because it is a waste of time and money for the courts and it isn't worth it to them
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Old 07-30-2013, 10:16 AM   #17
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Thanks Rohdeo and bb, that does shed some light on the situation. And yes, for God's sake Memphis just finish the damn road work!
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Just keep in mind that if you go to court (and the officer shows up) he will certainly say that he clocked you at 61 but he only wrote you up for 5 over because he was giving you a break. Not that you still couldn't beat it, but it puts you on the spot. That is a common tactic here. The cops just want to raise revenue. They only write you up for 5 over or sometimes even for a non-moving violation like impeding traffic. Those lesser offenses won't affect your insurance so most people don't fight it.

I think it varies by state, so I would check if 5 mph results in points on your license or not. If not, your insurance will most likely not be affected. If you go to court I would expect the officer to be there. This 'construction' area sounds like a speed trap to me, and there will probably be a whole line of people in court. There sure was both times I fought speeding tickets. It was amazing how fast they settled each case. It became very clear that it was a well oiled money making machine.
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Just keep in mind that if you go to court (and the officer shows up) he will certainly say that he clocked you at 61 but he only wrote you up for 5 over because he was giving you a break. Not that you still couldn't beat it, but it puts you on the spot. That is a common tactic here. The cops just want to raise revenue. They only write you up for 5 over or sometimes even for a non-moving violation like impeding traffic. Those lesser offenses won't affect your insurance so most people don't fight it.

I think it varies by state, so I would check if 5 mph results in points on your license or not. If not, your insurance will most likely not be affected. If you go to court I would expect the officer to be there. This 'construction' area sounds like a speed trap to me, and there will probably be a whole line of people in court. There sure was both times I fought speeding tickets. It was amazing how fast they settled each case. It became very clear that it was a well oiled money making machine.
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If you go to court and are found innocent would you still have to pay the court costs? I thought you would get out of that too?
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I got a ticket earlier this year on Houston Levee doing 60 in a 45 by two moto Cops using Lidar. They were riding opposite direction and talking up a storm when I went past. They took a second to turn around. No traffic around me or them either. I tried to get it dropped in court, but Shelby County Sheriff's rarely drop tickets for me. City police do all the time for me.
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Also, I never do 45mph on that stretch of 240 and blow by cops all the time.
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I've actually heard from family and friends who are cops/police chiefs that they won't pull you over unless your doing 10 because it is a waste of time and money for the courts and it isn't worth it to them
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Hmmm, the LEO, According to the OP, said you were doing 61 in a 45 mph construction zone. I would pay the fine and move along in life.

Sorry guys, but the LEO was pretty generous in issuing a ticket for only 5 mph over. That ain't chicken sh*t, that's being pretty generous.

Trust me, my family has had their share of interesting contretemps with the Police. Some of which were pretty darn silly. But, that's not something for discussion here.
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