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Old 07-06-2009, 12:32 PM   #26
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Here is a more detailed test where the 500 ran 12.7 sec @ 118.1 mph*
*Traction limited by low ambient and track temperatures.

The true power is noted in the Trap speed of 118mph, which is CTS-V territory. High 11's with drag radials only is a given.

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...est/specs.html
Thanks .. having come from an 04 cobra, I don't doubt the capabilities of the GT500 for sure .. Just out of my price range ...
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Old 07-06-2009, 12:44 PM   #27
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It's clear the GT500's disadvantage is in the tires. The 4 1/2 mph advantage the GT500 had over the SS is a much better indication of potential than the 0.1 sec e.t. would suggest. If the GT500 was running the same tires, it would have widened it's margin of victory significantly. That being said, the SS is impressive and I'd rather have it with or without a supercharger over the GT500, but that's JMHO.
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Old 07-06-2009, 01:06 PM   #28
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I want to see a rematch with the GT500 equipped with sticker tires, that would make it more equal so you can REALLY compare the two car's performance. Another performance indication of the GT500 is how it was pulling away quickly from the Camaro once it obtained traction.
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Old 07-06-2009, 01:10 PM   #29
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The motor trend video was shot at my old duty station that's been closed down in southern orange county in the city of Irvine, Ca. Made a visit back in Jan and the place is almost completely torn down, brought tears to my eyes.:flag1:

Marine Corps Air Station (MCAS) El Toro had two 8,000 feet long runways and two 10,000 feet long runways located on the 5 freeway not far from the "Y" intersection of the 5 and 405 freeways.
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Old 07-06-2009, 01:17 PM   #30
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Well duh the GT500 destroyed the SS. That is like saying "OMG the GT500 destroyed a Mustang GT!!". If you want a fair race pit a stock SS against a stock GT and we'll see who wins. Just wait for the Z28...then we'll see how well the little GT500 holds up.
It beat it by a tenth and you consider that "destroyed?"

Heck, even if you look at best trap speeds between the two, 118 vs 111 is a difference, but is it a 17,000 dollar difference?

I think not.
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Old 07-06-2009, 02:32 PM   #31
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Old 07-06-2009, 02:32 PM   #32
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If thats the best Ford can do with a 50k mustang? That is something I wouldnt be proud of
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Old 07-06-2009, 02:36 PM   #33
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stop it.

Both of you.

please.

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Old 07-06-2009, 03:07 PM   #34
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Yup, they said traction was a major issue with the GT500 stock rubber but not so with the Camaro. The Camaro made up the HP deficit there.
Agreed but only for the first 1/8th. After that the power in the GT500 is just too much.

But, I am stoked that the ss hung in there. another 12 sec run. Awesome.

Great Vid. And I'm not buying that mustang guys see the gt500 as a direct competitor to the SS. My guess is Motor trend needed an excuse for this comparison...

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Old 07-06-2009, 04:20 PM   #35
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The 29 feet win margin is approx. two car lengths. Still not too shaby. I agree with the earlier post regardint the tinny sounding exhaust during burnout's. Also, the Mustang would be a great little roadcourse car.
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Old 07-06-2009, 04:28 PM   #36
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Agreed but only for the first 1/8th. After that the power in the GT500 is just too much.

But, I am stoked that the ss hung in there. another 12 sec run. Awesome.

Great Vid. And I'm not buying that mustang guys see the gt500 as a direct competitor to the SS. My guess is Motor trend needed an excuse for this comparison...

They were bored... Everybody knows the results of this race. It's simple physics. Just a bunch of guys with nothing better to do than pit two really fast cars against each other. A job I would not mind having by the way.
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Old 07-06-2009, 05:04 PM   #37
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Heck, even if you look at best trap speeds between the two, 118 vs 111 is a difference, but is it a 17,000 dollar difference?

I think not.
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Trap speed shows the true power of a vehicle. Are you aware that Stock C6's trap around 116mph? 118mph is pretty significant. I guess the driver of a Toyota Camry (101mph trap) may be equally unimpressed by the Camaro SS (111mph trap).
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B.S review in my opinion.
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Old 07-06-2009, 05:10 PM   #39
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Interesting to me how the comparos are all over the place. Car and Driver preferred the Mustang GT to the Camaro SS while Motor Trend preferred the the SS to the GT. Take it up a notch to the GT500 and, in Motor Trend's opinion, the GT500 arguably eeks out a less convincing win than the GT did over the SS in the Car and Driver issue, although none of those victories was a landslide by any means.

I think the most telling aspect of all of these comparos is that all of them seem to be wins by a nose so to speak.
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Old 07-06-2009, 05:35 PM   #40
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It's clear the Gt500's disadvantage is in the tires. The 4 1/2 mph advantage the GT500 had over the SS is a much better indication of potential than the 0.1 sec e.t. would suggest. If the GT500 was running the same tires, it would have widened it's margin of victory significantly. That being said, the SS is impressive and I'd rather have it with or without a supercharger over the GT500, but that's JMHO.
To the credit of the Motor Trend Review, they did use the stock tires both cars came with.. You'd have to spend more money on the GT500 to give it the same quality tires the Camaro SS has.. The Camaro did a good job keeping up and in no way is humiliated by this defeat. On the contrary, for less than $7,000 more, you can get a faster car than the GT500's base price....
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Interesting to me how the comparos are all over the place. Car and Driver preferred the Mustang GT to the Camaro SS while Motor Trend preferred the the SS to the GT. Take it up a notch to the GT500 and, in Motor Trend's opinion, the GT500 arguably eeks out a less convincing win than the GT did over the SS in the Car and Driver issue, although none of those victories was a landslide by any means.

I think the most telling aspect of all of these comparos is that all of them seem to be wins by a nose so to speak.
Even the GT500 v Hennesy Camaro comparison comes to mind.

This just proves that people should buy what they like! That's what really matters anyway when making such a big purchase.
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Old 07-06-2009, 05:52 PM   #42
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Trap speed shows the true power of a vehicle. Are you aware that Stock C6's trap around 116mph? 118mph is pretty significant. I guess the driver of a Toyota Camry (101mph trap) may be equally unimpressed by the Camaro SS (111mph trap).

Trap speed is great, but it doesn't win races. (E.T.) wins races. I also have a feeling a Camaro SS can beat a Camry by more than .1 tenth in a street race 1/4 mile. But this video shows (stock vs stock), the Camaro can hold its own prettty good against a Cobra GT500.
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thats pretty sad that the camaro finishes that close to a car that $10k+
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i think the ss did very well. notice the wheel hop on the gt500.
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That new 500 is pretty damn stout. If only the tires were better. I wouldn't buy one... but it's fast!
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thats pretty sad that the camaro finishes that close to a car that $10k+
Stuff like this drives me nuts. Is the Camaro a great deal? Yeah. In the hands of Joe average are you going to notice a huge difference in performance between a GT500 and a Camaro SS? Probably not. Can a Camaro get anywhere near a 12.2 second 1/4 mile bone stock? No, but the GT500 can given a good driver and decent conditions. Make no mistake, if you have the ability to extract maximum performance from the car the GT500 is genuinely stupid fast. Does that somehow make the Camaro SS a loser? Of course not. DOes the fact that Joe average is never going to be able to tell the diffrence between these two cars make the GT500 a loser? Of course not.

Both cars have a lot to offer. And, depending upon what you want out of your car, your personal abilities, and the size of your wallet, each makes a compelling argument for itself.
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Stuff like this drives me nuts. Is the Camaro a great deal? Yeah. In the hands of Joe average are you going to notice a huge difference in performance between a GT500 and a Camaro SS? Probably not. Can a Camaro get anywhere near a 12.2 second 1/4 mile bone stock? No, but the GT500 can given a good driver and decent conditions. Make no mistake, if you have the ability to extract maximum performance from the car the GT500 is genuinely stupid fast. Does that somehow make the Camaro SS a loser? Of course not. DOes the fact that Joe average is never going to be able to tell the diffrence between these two cars make the GT500 a loser? Of course not.

Both cars have a lot to offer. And, depending upon what you want out of your car, your personal abilities, and the size of your wallet, each makes a compelling argument for itself.

The SS is better regardless of who is driving or how much money you have.
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Stuff like this drives me nuts. Is the Camaro a great deal? Yeah. In the hands of Joe average are you going to notice a huge difference in performance between a GT500 and a Camaro SS? Probably not. Can a Camaro get anywhere near a 12.2 second 1/4 mile bone stock? No, but the GT500 can given a good driver and decent conditions. Make no mistake, if you have the ability to extract maximum performance from the car the GT500 is genuinely stupid fast. Does that somehow make the Camaro SS a loser? Of course not. DOes the fact that Joe average is never going to be able to tell the diffrence between these two cars make the GT500 a loser? Of course not.

Both cars have a lot to offer. And, depending upon what you want out of your car, your personal abilities, and the size of your wallet, each makes a compelling argument for itself.
huh? All I am saying is the for the price the Camaro wins... I have a mustang so I am not a ford hater, but these cars really shouldn't be compared since the gt500 has way more hp and costs a lot more

we need a gt500 and z28 comparison if the SS gets that close in a race... I would love to see how a z28 would do
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interesting very interesting. the lighter more powerfull gt500 only beat the heavier less powerfull camaro by 2 car lenghts. this is great for the camaro ss. we know know with simple bolt ons its in gt500 territory while still n/a.
now i want to see how they put up against each other on the twisties. i think the more powerful gt500 with a live rear axle will be less of a threat.
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This is a MUCH BETTER drag strip comparison between the Camaro and Shelby Mustang.

That was AWSOME, I loved it I saw that little spray and said, that isn't a stock SS

Then he absolutely smoked that GT500......
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