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Old 07-06-2009, 07:26 PM   #51
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Old 07-06-2009, 07:28 PM   #52
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HAHA. The poor Blue Oval boys didn't like when we were comparing apples to apples (SS to GT), they wanted to compare apples and oranges (SS to GT500). The GT500 did beat the SS but only by 1/10th of a second.

But I'd rather spend $33K for 426HP and get beat by 1/10th second than $50K with 540HP.
Slap a Procharger on that SS.......OMG! 191HP more for $6,896, now that's a deal.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29941

Where you going little blue oval.......lets have a re-match!!!

That is the ticket, for $6-8K...STILL $10K Less than the Gt500, you would have no issue beating it. Wow 500+ Horses, supercharger, and lighter...and still only .1 seconds faster. That goes to show the diminishing horsepower return over a certain higher power ratio!
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Old 07-06-2009, 07:40 PM   #53
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Here is a more detailed test where the 500 ran 12.7 sec @ 118.1 mph*
*Traction limited by low ambient and track temperatures.

The true power is noted in the Trap speed of 118mph, which is CTS-V territory. High 11's with drag radials only is a given.

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...est/specs.html
No offense man, but every time this same discussion comes up someone quotes this exact track test were the GT500 trapped 118 (Most tests suggest a trap of 114-115)...you realize what you say within your own quote..."traction limited by low ambient temps" ie cold weather, the kind of weather that makes more hp...we have yet really to see alot of tests of broken in SS's in cold weather to see what ET/mph's they will trap. You saw in the video what it traps compared to the camaro in hot weather...4mph difference...when the mustang GT was tested vs the camaro on same days the trap difference was greater...104-111...ie 7mph yet the quoted power differences like 114 hp (approx) is the same between the cars...

don't get me wrong, I like the GT500...I just am a chevy guy...Mustang guys begged for this comparison, and they got it, but they didn't get the blow out they wanted, the GT500 was a clear winner on paper but just like a talented superstar, in this comparison, it just didn't produce results up to its potential. Sure with DR and a prepared surface the margin would have been greater, but most encounters (lets be honest) wont' happen that way, so understand from stop light to stop light, it will likely be a drivers race. A roll race is game over....BUT a lightly modded (headers, exhaust, CAI, tune) camaro SS vs a stock GT500....man that would be a nice race.
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That is the ticket, for $6-8K...STILL $10K Less than the Gt500, you would have no issue beating it. Wow 500+ Horses, supercharger, and lighter...and still only .1 seconds faster. That goes to show the diminishing horsepower return over a certain higher power ratio!
Actually it says that the SS is lighter but not by much.
Curb weight (dist f/r) SS 3888 lb (58/42%) ---- GT500 3903 lb (58/42%)
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Old 07-06-2009, 07:47 PM   #55
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IMHO - The SS is better regardless of who is driving or how much money you have.:fighting0056

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Can't wait to see a vidoe of a mag-charged SS against a new GT500...
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No offense man, but every time this same discussion comes up someone quotes this exact track test were the GT500 trapped 118 (Most tests suggest a trap of 114-115
Agree, the 2010 is too new to have multiple data points from different tracks, conditions, or cars. It has only been on the streets for a few weeks. However, the 2007 GT500 has been out for a while, and trap times are well established in the 114-116mph range. What will 40 more HP and more agressive gearing do for the '10 GT500? Btw, I am not a "Ford guy", or a "Chevy guy".... just a car guy.
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It is faster. It is more powerful.

But the small difference in performance is not worth the extra $15-20 grand, in my very humble opinion.

EDIT:....match ups like these make me VERY curious to see what the Camaro would do with better rear gearing...
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HAHA. The poor Blue Oval boys didn't like when we were comparing apples to apples (SS to GT), they wanted to compare apples and oranges (SS to GT500). The GT500 did beat the SS but only by 1/10th of a second.

But I'd rather spend $33K for 426HP and get beat by 1/10th second than $50K with 540HP.
Slap a Procharger on that SS.......OMG! 191HP more for $6,896, now that's a deal.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29941

Where you going little blue oval.......lets have a re-match!!!

I'm almost certain I'll beat your SS by more then 1/10th of a second with my GT500. With those Goodyears on. I don't magazine race. If somebody really believes there is only .1 second difference between the two cars your nuts and seriously into fan boy territory.
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IMHO - The SS is better regardless of who is driving or how much money you have.:fighting0056


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I'm almost certain I'll beat your SS by more then 1/10th of a second with my GT500. With those Goodyears on. I don't magazine race. If somebody really believes there is only .1 second difference between the two cars your nuts and seriously into fan boy territory.
I'm positive I can beat your GT500 by more than 1.5 seconds..lmao...just messing with you bro and trying to lighten up the thread...but I could do it..lol
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I'm positive I can beat your GT500 by more than 1.5 seconds..lmao...just messing with you bro and trying to lighten up the thread...but I could do it..lol
I'm sure you could! I can tell from your sig you have A LOT more experience then I have.
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I'm sure you could! I can tell from your sig you have A LOT more experience then I have.
I really want to drive a GT500 once just to see what it's all about..I've never driven any sort of mustang..Much Respect to the GT500 though
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I really want to drive a GT500 once just to see what it's all about..I've never driven any sort of mustang..Much Respect to the GT500 though
I wish you lived closer, I could make that happen.
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I'm almost certain I'll beat your SS by more then 1/10th of a second with my GT500. With those Goodyears on. I don't magazine race. If somebody really believes there is only .1 second difference between the two cars your nuts and seriously into fan boy territory.
Perhaps they should keep a copy of this Motor Trend issue in their car so that, when they get their doors sucked off, they can press it up against the window in protest. Seriously, this is that ridiculous. I saw the same thing happen with the 03-04 Terminator versus WS6 and Z28SS and even back in the day with the 87 Grand National and stripped Mustang LX trunks.

And I do so love the 'if the Camaro has a Magnuson' debate, arguing that a modded SS will hang just fine with a stock GT500. Good luck to these guys on actually finding a stock GT500 on the streets that isn't on the way home from the dealership.

Show me a stock Camaro SS in the low 12's and I'll relent. Until then we just have a sea of SS owners hoping that the GT500 they run into has a mediocre driver.
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Perhaps they should keep a copy of this Motor Trend issue in their car so that, when they get their doors sucked off, they can press it up against the window in protest. Seriously, this is that ridiculous. I saw the same thing happen with the 03-04 Terminator versus WS6 and Z28SS and even back in the day with the 87 Grand National and stripped Mustang LX trunks.

And I do so love the 'if the Camaro has a Magnuson' debate, arguing that a modded SS will hang just fine with a stock GT500. Good luck to these guys on actually finding a stock GT500 on the streets that isn't on the way home from the dealership.

Show me a stock Camaro SS in the low 12's and I'll relent. Until then we just have a sea of SS owners hoping that the GT500 they run into has a mediocre driver.
On the same token, Mustang guys apparently had a fit because they compared a GT to an SS, even though they're absolutely direct competitors...

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Old 07-06-2009, 08:30 PM   #68
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This is a MUCH BETTER drag strip comparison between the Camaro and Shelby Mustang.

Yeah that was also a sweet video! Id say even with the mods that guy had on his camaro it was still smaller price tag than the GT500. But even the stock camaro did alot better than I thought it would.
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all this shows is one of the quickest stock ss runs is only a tenth of a second slower than a slightly above average run in a gt500.

pre 2010 gt500's have gone as quick as 12.2. with 40 more hp, better gearing, and better tires, i still dont understand why people think these cars are competitors.

yes the gt500 is quicker, and with equal drivers, a lot quicker. the SS is also a lot quicker than a GT, which are closer in price.

let the cars be out for a while, and better weather conditions for racing before drawing conclusions.
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On the same token, Mustang guys apparently had a fit because they compared a GT to an SS, even though they're absolutely direct competitors...

"What I could do with $20,000: An essay about evening the odds"

I never complained about the GT versus SS comparo and still find it a perfectly logical matchup. As for the price difference between the GT500 and the SS. We both know better than to think that you'll somehow squeak into a car that combines the longevity and durability of the GT500 setup, as well as the easy tunability, for much less than the price difference between the two.

GT500's make reliable, driveable 800hp cars on premium unleaded without ever touching a valve cover. And were talking about a car you wouldn't know wasn't stock in most situations. And that is a major part of the cars draw, the ridiculous power that can be made for cheap. If you want to crank out that kind of power in a Camaro SS, have it act like it was made for it, and do so in reliable trim, you'll shell out some serious coin.

If you are looking for a simple, bolt on car to get you into the 500hp range, and a Vette is off the table, the Camaro owns the market right now. This is particularly true if you want to accomplish the same naturally aspirated. Want more than that? Unless you are brand loyal the GT500 is going to get you there easier and cheaper.

The reality is that we all know the GT500 is faster than this article indicates, you included. Mediocre drivers on whatever road USA?????......the GT500 might not win by much from a stop but, to be honest, who cares what mediocre drivers can manage and who here really wants to be or remain a mediocre driver? Good drivers on a decent road? We both know how that story goes.
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GT500's make reliable, driveable 800hp cars on premium unleaded without ever touching a valve cover. And were talking about a car you wouldn't know wasn't stock in most situations. And that is a major part of the cars draw, the ridiculous power that can be made for cheap. If you want to crank out that kind of power in a Camaro SS, have it act like it was made for it, and do so in reliable trim, you'll shell out some serious coin..
That is the aspect that sold me..... and the SuperCharger sounds like pure sex......







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haha, wow R U SERIOUS, not even a 30 ft and less than 1 second difference when its about 114hp more... I'm sorry but where is the hennessey! I'm howling for the Hennessey now!
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I'm almost certain I'll beat your SS by more then 1/10th of a second with my GT500. With those Goodyears on. I don't magazine race. If somebody really believes there is only .1 second difference between the two cars your nuts and seriously into fan boy territory.
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Now here is a decent comparison... http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=151466
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