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Old 07-06-2009, 08:07 PM   #18
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Just talked to STS, we signed a faxed contract and they are gonna do a turbo system for free for me in 2 weeks time, ill be posting videos then
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Old 07-06-2009, 08:13 PM   #19
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let us know how it works out for sure!!!
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Old 07-06-2009, 08:41 PM   #20
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couple problems im seeing, but yet again, im no car expert in the least.

1. Does this system have anything to do with the CAI?
2. Does it replace the pipes all the back to the headers?
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Old 07-06-2009, 09:36 PM   #21
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cooler air most certainly does NOT mean denser air all the time. Cooler air USUALLY means denser air.
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Old 07-06-2009, 10:01 PM   #22
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I really like the STS systems. Extremely innovative, and they put out some crazy numbers.

Let us know how it goes if you do it!
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Old 07-07-2009, 10:15 AM   #23
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Just build one yourselves... it's not all that complicated. There are benefits to using rear mount systems - mainly the ability to go back to stock rather quickly and keeping the engine bay clear. You do have to solve logistical issues of the oil return (140$ shurflow pumps work great) and the minor fab work to get everything mounted. On a 6psi kit, you wouldn't even need a front mount, although you could if you wanted to.

I don't like STS because they rebadge cheaper gear as being "special" with a hugely inflated price tag. Seriously -- spend 2K and build yourself a far superior setup than having them build one.
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Old 07-07-2009, 11:42 AM   #24
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I still say that if it was half as awesome as STS says then at least one manufacturer would use rear mounted turbos. But as far as I know, they all tuck them in really close to the exhaust.

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Yep. Would take a bit of fabbing, but personally if I was going to spend 6000+ for a turbo, I'd do the work to make sure it was done right.
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That does sound like a good location. It would probably get less splash than under hood or rear mounts and you could probably still run a CAI up to the grill for clean, dry air. But, I think you might have to fabricate a new lump in the floor to get enough clearance.

If I was installing a rear mounted turbo I would want to fab up a finned stainless (or aluminum) pipe to bring the compressed air back to the intake and do some charge cooling without adding any extra lag like a separate intercooler would. But the last time I looked at STS's website they seemed to be using a plastic pipe...
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Old 07-07-2009, 12:27 PM   #25
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I still say that if it was half as awesome as STS says then at least one manufacturer would use rear mounted turbos. But as far as I know, they all tuck them in really close to the exhaust.



That does sound like a good location. It would probably get less splash than under hood or rear mounts and you could probably still run a CAI up to the grill for clean, dry air. But, I think you might have to fabricate a new lump in the floor to get enough clearance.

If I was installing a rear mounted turbo I would want to fab up a finned stainless (or aluminum) pipe to bring the compressed air back to the intake and do some charge cooling without adding any extra lag like a separate intercooler would. But the last time I looked at STS's website they seemed to be using a plastic pipe...
Yeah, that was the plan. I think it should be possible - if this car is anything like my 86 was, there will be plenty of gap between the center console and the floor.
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Old 07-07-2009, 03:04 PM   #26
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Just noticed! STS has 2010 Camaro kits listed as "coming soon" !

Installing them would probably mean voiding the warranty though, wouldn't it?
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Old 07-07-2009, 03:43 PM   #27
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Just noticed! STS has 2010 Camaro kits listed as "coming soon" !

Installing them would probably mean voiding the warranty though, wouldn't it?
V8 kits will be first... they may handle 6's later.
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Old 07-07-2009, 05:21 PM   #28
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Just noticed! STS has 2010 Camaro kits listed as "coming soon" !

Installing them would probably mean voiding the warranty though, wouldn't it?
Yes, quite likely voiding the warranty.
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Old 07-07-2009, 10:46 PM   #29
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i need help finding/purchasing a V6 turbo/twin turbo/supercharger. Im dying to put one on so if anyone could help me id appreciate it. Nobody else seems to be daring enough yet to try. so i dont have any thing to go by. Just want to see how much it beefens up the car..And this is no lie at all..Those old school Cyclone air flow systems that used to be on infomercials all the time actually worked on my car..LOL..it wasnt much but just goofing off the other day i stopped at Auto Zone and bought one for 35 bucks..put it right before the air filter box, and at the first stop light without revving up the engine i stomped the gas and the tires barked a bit..i know that doesnt sound like much..but no matter what ive did before i have never, not even on an incline,been able to bark the tires just by 'stomping' on the guess without revving the engine up..LOL..didnt get to do much after that cause i had to drop it off to get the finishing touches on the clear coat for my racing stripes i had added last week. but back to what i was saying, if any of you know anything about getting a turbo/ twin turbo/ super charger for my V6 i would very much appreciate it. Capa in Aus. from what i seen in another thread had some but i sent them emails with no reply..they even had gretts on there for 1500 that "added 500 hp..dunno myself to the turbo/supercharging deal..please help. thanks
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Old 07-10-2009, 11:19 AM   #30
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STS kits are junk in my opinion. This isnt just a opinion without facts backing it up. I have tuned many of rear mount kits. The problem is that turbos NEED heat. They must have heat to spool up and build boost. Heat is a bad thing when it comes to intake air temps and engine temps but with no heat to a turbo, well no power.

This being said, you must do a few (3 to 5) pulls on a dyno to even make any power using them. By the time you have the turbo heated up to the temperature needed, well everything else is completely heat soaked and can be damaging to your engine.

Also, at the track, well forget it. !st gear will make a little boost, say 1 psi on a 10 psi spring, then second gear will make 2 or 3 psi, 3rd gear finally starts to get heated up and might make 7 psi, then finally when you hit forth gear, well you possibly have reached 10 psi.

There will be a lot of options here soon for the Camaro. Make sure you use high quality components, stainless steel piping, and proper tuning and you will have a blast for the lifetime of your car. Thanks and pm me if you have any questions.
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Old 07-10-2009, 12:19 PM   #31
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STS kits are junk in my opinion. This isnt just a opinion without facts backing it up. I have tuned many of rear mount kits. The problem is that turbos NEED heat. They must have heat to spool up and build boost. Heat is a bad thing when it comes to intake air temps and engine temps but with no heat to a turbo, well no power.

This being said, you must do a few (3 to 5) pulls on a dyno to even make any power using them. By the time you have the turbo heated up to the temperature needed, well everything else is completely heat soaked and can be damaging to your engine.
Turbo's don't need heat - they need volume and velocity. Heat is just the factor which plays a large part in velocity of the exhaust gases from source to destination.

You compensate this natural reduction of velocity and volume of having a remote mount system by changing the A/R on the hot side...it's not that difficult really. What you give up in response time you gain in overall turbo life and a reduction in engine bay temps vs. bay-mounted turbo setups.

As for your dyno statements - that's not really correct. The turbo may become slightly more responsive as the EGT increases (from the boost load being placed on it) but doesn't mean the system is unusable prior to that event. It's just an added bonus... and EGT's will reach their safe ranges in moments under load.

In addition - heat soak will affect many factors, but as long as the oil and intake temps stay well within tolerances there is no issue (aka "engine damage" as you stated). My road course engine bay temps far exceeded those experienced on a few static dyno pulls even with limited downtime between pulls.


Remote mount systems are fine, it's the quality of components (or lack there of) that STI uses that is the real issue. I don't like them re-branding some components and marking up the price 500% for their kits. Recommend folks source out the components and build their own.
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Old 07-13-2009, 09:02 AM   #32
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My statements come from hours and hours and hours on a dyno with a pyrometer checking the temperature of every pipe on the turbo kit to see why it won't make power on the first 3 pulls. When I refer to heat on the turbo, that is the only way I have of checking it is with the pyrometer and when the turbo gets close to 350-450 degrees is when the car makes the most power. Now with that being said, it takes around 4 to 5 pulls on the dyno to get it to that temperature and then the engine is heatsoaked. I have tuned hundreds and hundreds of turbo and single turbo cars and the STS kits always put down less power with the same size turbo on the same car due to the fact that it takes 4 or 5 pulls to get it to temperature. On most turbo cars that I tune in Florida I would never do 4 or 5 back to back pulls in fear of damaging the engine.

I understand completely what you are saying though with the heat, I just didn't have a way of measuring velocity on every STS kit that came in but could easy associate it with the heat on the exhaust housing for a reference.
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Old 08-03-2009, 10:53 PM   #33
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