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Old 08-20-2013, 11:27 AM   #201
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I completely agree with what you are saying in a clean design. I think of the Ferrari GTO 288 and how the whole fender is the flare and yet still clean. But to go with that I like some visual excitement on the side. I like your picture but it might be too much for a camaro. I like the round wheel well instead of the squared off, and maybe a rounder quarter panel like ALLTRBO posted. Instead of the light bars in the grill maybe a smaller 3-panel light to go with your side markers, I don't know. Anyway keep up the good work !!
That design is like what, 30 years old? And it's STILL beautiful. That's the kind of effect I want the Camaro to have; timelessly beautiful. I'm playing with some variations including as clean a NASA style design as I can.

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This news is from March so it may be outdated by now but at least we have a statement.

Ref. 2016 Camaro May Shed Weight, Get Downsized Engines Hints Chief Engineer

This leads me to believe that GM plans to simply (or not so simply) evolve the styling of the 5th Gen, rather than create a new design. Does the C7 Corvette foretell what GM's interpretation of "evolve" means?
That makes sense. They don't want to (and shouldn't) alienate people by making the Camaro look like a comic book gangster car which is what some seem to want. It would sell to a small segment of teenage and young 20-something boys but they'd lose their female customers, and just about everybody over 30 which is a huge base of customers. Not a smart business move.

I'm going back to clean and basic to refresh my brain so I can start with a clean slate in my mind. I realized I didn't like the wheel design so I came up with a more industrial design that's a no-nonsense no-bling look and you can see that on the side view. I'll do a perspective view of it but I like this much better; gives the car a more race-like view I think. I know it's not a 5-spoke but screw it; I like the 6-spoke here better, gives it a more up-to-date look to me.

I cleaned up the side marker lights with a simpler design, went with a stylized rectangle for the front turn signal lights in the grill area. Moved the dark gray line around the bottom upwards a bit and made the gray rocker panels taller; thins the upper body and gives the lower panel a stronger look. I think when I do the new wheel design in perspective it will give the perspective view a much more serious performance look.
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While I did calm the flare some, that isn't what I meant. However, a matching front is desperately needed.
This might better illustrate what I'm talking about. It's still subtle and flows smoothly with the rest, but gives it a more aggressive stance:
This is interesting; I'll have to play with it.
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Getting down to cleaner and simpler. Got the perspective views of the new wheels done. For these two I actually lowered the top rear fender to smooth out the transition from front to back; going for the NASA/fighter jet look. On view D1 I put the arch back in the rear wheel well and moved up the side marker lights, CAMARO and red accent line appropriately. I also took out the front running light bars in the grill and made them round.

For view D2 it still has the previous version of the side except that I lowered the top rear fender like view D1. I experimented with some different elements in the front; I kept the stylized running lights in the upper grill but took out the bar lights in the brake cooling ducts and made the fog lights yellow.

Right now I'm kinda liking the front of D2 but with the rear wheel well and side of D1. The side of D1 has a heftier look to it.

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Not sure what it is, but the doors look very short horizontally. Compare those to what is on the current car and they don't seem nearly long enough for a coupe.

I think you've got an attractive design here. I really do like it. It looks better from the side than I thought it would. I actually prefer the side view over the front 3/4 view.

But for me, the final design would have to come with more curves, more edges, more to look at. Its good, but so far not getting my blood pumping.

Even though I just said above that I do like the side view, I'm also worried that the newest profile with the raised belt line in the front may be straying too far away from what I feel the Camaro heritage is. Its attractive, but doesn't say Camaro to me.

I will continue to follow this just to see where it goes
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I hope you don't mind my tinkering with your designs, but they are like canvas and I just cant help myself...lol!
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Not sure what it is, but the doors look very short horizontally. Compare those to what is on the current car and they don't seem nearly long enough for a coupe.
I think because the front edge of the door is behind the side mirror instead of in front of it like it should be.
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Based on feedback here's the latest. The side view and D1 are the same setup. D3 has the fender flares and raised rear fender hip as requested.

I gave the D1 views bronze colored wheels which I think helps warm up the look of the car. I put the traditional 3 vents on the side in front of the rear wheel. I also move the front door line forward as requested to lengthen the door.

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I've struggled like crazy with the roof line on the side view. You wouldn't believe how easy it is to move a line just a slight bit and suddenly you've gone from a Camaro to a Mustang fastback. I'm not entirely happy with the location and side-view profile of the cabin. I've moved it forward, backward, up, down and I still can't find that sweet spot where it looks "right". But hey... it's a work in progress.
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I think because the front edge of the door is behind the side mirror instead of in front of it like it should be.
It's great to see the participation and that people care! Inspiration is what this whole thread is supposed to be about.

Because the window edge at the front of the door is so low I made a conscious decision to put the outside mirrors on the fender in front of the door. That may or may not work with the driver view inside the car but that's easily changed and they can be on the door too. I was even thinking of moving them forward onto the fender above the wheel like a race car but since that would be really cool looking it's probably not legal lol.
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I've struggled like crazy with the roof line on the side view. You wouldn't believe how easy it is to move a line just a slight bit and suddenly you've gone from a Camaro to a Mustang fastback. I'm not entirely happy with the location and side-view profile of the cabin. I've moved it forward, backward, up, down and I still can't find that sweet spot where it looks "right". But hey... it's a work in progress.
I think you can play with the shape of the quarter glass a little maybe raise the angle of bottom edge to get that Camaro triangle shape and use more (heavier) C Pillar to stretch the back without the fastback look.
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I've struggled like crazy with the roof line on the side view. You wouldn't believe how easy it is to move a line just a slight bit and suddenly you've gone from a Camaro to a Mustang fastback. I'm not entirely happy with the location and side-view profile of the cabin. I've moved it forward, backward, up, down and I still can't find that sweet spot where it looks "right". But hey... it's a work in progress.
I the roof line looks really great! I don't think it needs much more tweaking, although I'm not saying you couldn't possibly make it any better either.
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I am liking this design but of course I have to tinker with it.
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I am liking this design but of course I have to tinker with it.
LOL welcome to the addiction; no matter how many changes I make, I keep messing around with it too hehehe.

HOWEVER...that being said....this is getting REAL CLOSE to what I envision for a 6th gen Camaro.

I tweaked the roofline for the umpteenth time and I think I finally got it this time; this looks "right". I put the suggested lower body reverse coke bottle waist line in. I moved the side mirrors to the doors. The side view now has brakes. What brand are they? Why they're the STOP! brand of course! A little designer humor...I know... very little; don't quit your day job, etc. This design stays with the sleeked down upper rear body line which works well with the lower reverse coke bottle waist.
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I think I'm going to leave this alone and start working on an appropriate back. You know... modding a design like this is almost as satisfying as modding my car and it's a helluva lot cheaper!
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[QUOTE=Doc;6922509]LOL welcome to the addiction; no matter how many changes I make, I keep messing around with it too hehehe.

HOWEVER...that being said....this is getting REAL CLOSE to what I envision for a 6th gen Camaro.

I tweaked the roofline for the umpteenth time and I think I finally got it this time; this looks "right". I put the suggested lower body reverse coke bottle waist line in. I moved the side mirrors to the doors. The side view now has brakes. What brand are they? Why they're the STOP! brand of course! A little designer humor...I know... very little; don't quit your day job, etc. This design stays with the sleeked down upper rear body line which works well with the lower reverse coke bottle waist.
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I think I'm going to leave this alone and start working on an appropriate back. You know... modding a design like this is almost as satisfying as modding my car and it's a helluva lot cheaper! [/QUOTE


Looks good. I cut my a pillar a bit deeper because it lengthens the look of the back ala testatossa. It is easy to get addicted but I think you have nice design and I hope you use 4 small round tailights ala 70-73 camaro. It has always been one of my favorite designs.
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Okay here's the last last revision (I think). Fixed the area at the base of the windshield. Added lettering to the tires. Fixed the lower front side view to match the perspective view. Adjusted the door shape.

That's it. I really mean it this time. Actually I want to do a 3/4 perspective from the rear view so that along with an actual rear view will be my next project.
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Okay here's the last last revision (I think). Fixed the area at the base of the windshield. Added lettering to the tires. Fixed the lower front side view to match the perspective view. Adjusted the door shape.

That's it. I really mean it this time. Actually I want to do a 3/4 perspective from the rear view so that along with an actual rear view will be my next project.
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Looks good but I am not feeling the gills as they are drawn, I think they would look better longer, thinner, stair stepped and curved to match the wheel arch, like we have now.
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Okay here's the last last revision (I think). Fixed the area at the base of the windshield. Added lettering to the tires. Fixed the lower front side view to match the perspective view. Adjusted the door shape.

That's it. I really mean it this time. Actually I want to do a 3/4 perspective from the rear view so that along with an actual rear view will be my next project.
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Nice! Now I really like the side profile...completing the "reverse" coke bottle look as you called it is pretty dang cool if you ask me. That will add more of the character in the side I was looking for in your design.

I'll be curious to see the rear end view.

If I had to put my money on the final real design from GM...I'm expecting there to be more modern/futuristic looking "vents" as I'll call them with LED lighting on the front end...sort of like how the SS sedan and the new 2015 Mustang is looking. But I'm not sure I could come up with a good design for that myself that looks modern without going overboard. You've got a good template to work with for sure.
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Okay here's the last last revision (I think). Fixed the area at the base of the windshield. Added lettering to the tires. Fixed the lower front side view to match the perspective view. Adjusted the door shape.

That's it. I really mean it this time. Actually I want to do a 3/4 perspective from the rear view so that along with an actual rear view will be my next project.
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Looks good but I am not feeling the gills as they are drawn, I think they would look better longer, thinner, stair stepped and curved to match the wheel arch, like we have now.
You know I debated about that. I wasn't sure if that would be too dated a look; too retro. This particular design seems to lend itself better to less curvy gills. Believe it or not the ones I have on there now are curved somewhat; just not as much as the 5th gen. These are intended to be functional not just a styling gimmick so they need to be wider than the 5th gen gills.

Anyways here are 3 versions; D1a has your idea with the gills taller and more curved. D1b has my idea with straighter gills but I did make them narrower and taller. D1c has a NACA style side scoop just to show what that might look like.
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This is it; I've spent hours going over details to see if anything looks off but I can't find anything at this point. The only thing I'm not 100% happy with is the front running lights in the grill, but that's a minor point. The major shapes are done. I've finished various details and included an aero package of sorts. This looks "right" to me. I'm working on a top view and from there I'll do a rear view, then a 3/4 perspective rear view. By the way... I took the red stripe on the side out while working on something and the car still looks good without it, so that could be an optional graphic.
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I like every thing but the grill this looks good and with the rear spoiler great touch
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Its a nice looking car, but I dont think it advances the Camaro design. I dont think it is bold or aggressive enough. This car looks alot like concepts that were on the internet before 2006. This car also reminds me of a Corvair (I dont mean that as an insult like some may think) with its rounded c-pillar and the way the backlight flows into the trunk. Theres no way the 2016 camaro will look like this in my opinion. But you have created a cool looking car !
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Its a nice looking car, but I dont think it advances the Camaro design. I dont think it is bold or aggressive enough. This car looks alot like concepts that were on the internet before 2006. This car also reminds me of a Corvair (I dont mean that as an insult like some may think) with its rounded c-pillar and the way the backlight flows into the trunk. Theres no way the 2016 camaro will look like this in my opinion. But you have created a cool looking car !
It does advance the Camaro design; if you're looking for a sleeker, cleaner, refinement. If you're looking for comic book/movie car dramatic looks with gimmicky cutouts, curves and bulges then no; this does not go in that direction. It's actually bolder and more aggressive than you think. If this were a real car sitting next to a 5th gen, you'd see the more purposeful road GT look which is what I was going for here; an evolution of the Camaro from just a 1/4 mile standing start car, into a much more capable design. A car that's not just fast in a straight line but continues to dominate when the road curves. This car not only feasts on Mustangs, it adds BMW's to the menu.

Corvairs were great and got screwed IMO by gotcha, sensationalized bad press that vastly over-dramatized what was fixable and wound up killing what otherwise was a pretty good car.

It's going to depend a lot on what they're thinking at GM. After seeing the refresh where details were smoothed out going for a cleaner look; bulges flattened (front grill area) for a sleeker look, it may just be the direction they're looking to go in for the 6th gen. They want to keep that 40% marketshare and that includes male/female and a wide range of ages. They can't go too aggressive/bold or they risk alienating a lot of that 40%.

I think they're going to stay somewhat on the conservative side so what I've designed fits that but keep in mind rules #1 and #2: Rule #1. You can't please everybody. Rule #2. When you think you have a great design, see rule #1. 60% of the market isn't going to like this but that's okay if you have the other 40%; you're making money and can survive.
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Here's the base model; no SS, no aero package, no red side stripe, no white letter tires. This has a couple of revisions the other models have now: I fixed the lower body in the front passenger corner on the perspective view; it stuck out too far compared to the side view. I also have a better running light design in the front.
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Even as the base model this car has that classy road GT look which is exactly what I was going for. The SS and aero package gives it more of a racecar look which is what it's supposed to do.

Top view is almost done; starting to work on back view.
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