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Old 08-05-2013, 10:51 AM   #26
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Yep, I had it until they added those 2 shop cars that did not belong in the class (LMR and IPS)that did not even participate in Qualifying. It screwed not only me but everyone that did participate in Qualifying.


You are completely right to be upset about this.
The biggest points of how wrong this was and how bad it ruined the race are:
1. Those cars did not belong in an amateur, trophy only class. If you have a full paid race team, advertisement all over the car and can’t even drive your own car and have to hire a professional driver to complete in an amateur class. That itself is pitifully wrong. And I hope they feel a real accomplishment with the $10 trophy they practically paid for.

2. Those cars did not even participate in Qualifying, and if they they would have, they would have been the fastest qualifiers. That would of adjusted the ladder In a position that would of had me as third place qualifier running against the 7th place qualifier instead of running against an almost 8 second car that did not even participate in qualifying. This affected not only me but The Barron got beat up over this too.

3. If they had qualified and the ladder was put together properly The Barron and I would have had a chance to make to either semi-finals or finals. There is also the chance that those two could not avoid running against each other, and would open a spot for a legitimate (street)car to make it to finals.

4. Politics have no place in drag racing in my opinion.

Other than the completely screwed up drag race which was bull, I had a great time during the event, but now wish I did not even participate in the drag race at all. I have never seen anyone get away with this at any other racing event. If you did not properly qualify you should not be allowed in the class.
Lets not forget that they called everyone to staging and the IPS car and the lmr car both stayed at the trailer for 30+ minutes cooling down while everyone was else was ready to go. The track announcer was going bullshit.

The lmr car shouldn't have been allowed on the track. Just a quick look showed countless tech problems:

1: It went 9.1 at 155. Had a 6 point cage and no chute.

2. Driver, not the owner, was racing in a t shirt.

3. No crotch belt.

4. Battery sitting on the floor of the passenger side. Just sitting there.
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Old 08-05-2013, 11:02 AM   #28
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3. No crotch belt.
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If it was a qualified ladder, nobody should be on ladder without making a qualifying pass period. Further if it's multiple qualifying pass's you must alternate lanes as well.

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That's total BS and dangerous to say the least. Not mention no crotch strap or chute. I just bought two extended capacity batteries for my laptop to data log Pumpkin this fall. Bad enough having a laptop flying around inside the car, a battery could be deadly.
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Maybe I'm glad I didn't make it. This stuff is not cool.

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I feel like a heel after the whole vert/roll bar thing. No tech/No run should apply to everyone.
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Old 08-05-2013, 11:31 AM   #33
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I feel like a heel after the whole vert/roll bar thing. No tech/No run should apply to everyone.
Yup. Me too. That dude should have just came and went. Tech was obviously quite lax. In the northeast they'll pull you for going fast with rubber valve stems. You need metal ones after a certain speed. Jeff looked the other way when I asked him about it. So if the track director could care less so will the rest of the staff.

This stuff needs to be cleared up before the next fest. They need to decide if its an actual event or an exhibition. Rules need to be in place and followed. It left a sour taste in everyone's mouth.
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Wow, I wondered what the deal was with the shop cars running in your class. I just figured since it was happening you were all ok with it. That's a rough deal.....sorry for you guys.
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Real sorry to hear about your car Supercharged. I hope you get it all sorted out soon.
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Wow, I wondered what the deal was with the shop cars running in your class. I just figured since it was happening you were all ok with it. That's a rough deal.....sorry for you guys.
There was no discussion about it. They just did it. The other unlimited cars had no choice.
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Real sorry to hear about your car Supercharged. I hope you get it all sorted out soon.
Thanks. Prob just a couple weeks. I'm gonna change out a bunch of other stuff as well.
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That was the easiest tech I have Been through. Did not even ask me to open the hood. I could've had a NOS bottle mounted beside the supercharger lol.

Suppercharged SS even after your car broke it still sounded badass. And thanks for letting me fill up my air tank.
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I really didn't want to be a cry baby but its not like guys like me get v to do heads up racing very often.. I was having issues all weekend but should have never been paired first round with that car..
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Suppercharged SS even after your car broke it still sounded badass. And thanks for letting me fill up my air tank.
Thank you. We were figuring 9.60's after the first pass or two. When its not eating itself it goes pretty good.
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I really didn't want to be a cry baby but its not like guys like me get v to do heads up racing very often.. I was having issues all weekend but should have never been paired first round with that car..
You're hardly being a crybaby. It was f'ed up. All you guys got the shaft.
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About the tech thing. At events like this a strict nhra tech cannot be followed,. A stock zl with a set of drs and a good tune would require a cage, and that kind of aggressive thinking will kill var count. That being said, a safety HAZZARD needs to be avoided.

these fun runs are based on a common sense approach to beingbsafe and still allowing for fun... my car was messed uup all weekend and onlybmade 1 decent pass, I still had a great time... next year a guy who is PART if the community should be present and in charge of the drag side, not just the autocross because texas is going yo bring some cars. .
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Lets not forget that they called everyone to staging and the IPS car and the lmr car both stayed at the trailer for 30+ minutes cooling down while everyone was else was ready to go. The track announcer was going bullshit.

The lmr car shouldn't have been allowed on the track. Just a quick look showed countless tech problems:

1: It went 9.1 at 155. Had a 6 point cage and no chute.

2. Driver, not the owner, was racing in a t shirt.

3. No crotch belt.

4. Battery sitting on the floor of the passenger side. Just sitting there.
Great point, not to mention I had to turn my car back off and heat soak again and wait for the LMR car because the owner could not drive the car, and had to wait for the driver to come back from running their other shop car.

Hey let me know what happen to your engine, I am sorry that happened. You can only stab something so many times before it dies, LOL. If you need anything I still have my entire original rotating assembly thats like brand new. So if you need a crank, pistons or rods let me know. I know you have better stuff than that in there but just offering to help anyway I can. Your ok in my book.
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Great point, not to mention I had to turn my car back off and heat soak again and wait for the LMR car because the owner could not drive the car, and had to wait for the driver to come back from running their other shop car.

Hey let me know what happen to your engine, I am sorry that happened. You can only stab something so many times before it dies, LOL. If you need anything I still have my entire original rotating assembly thats like brand new. So if you need a crank, pistons or rods let me know. I know you have better stuff than that in there but just offering to help anyway I can. Your ok in my book.
Thanks A. It'll be a couple days before we know the extent of the damage. Hopefully the important stuff didn't get to beat up.
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Lol im straight copying supercharged icechest/pump combo lol no more heat soak for me !
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Tech should be followed period, saftey first. It's all fun and games till someone ends up Dead!
There's no excuse for a car going 150mph plus without the proper safety equipment. Only a person with complete disregaurd for his own life would drive a car that fast and not be up to par or above it.

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If it was a qualified ladder, nobody should be on ladder without making a qualifying pass period. Further if it's multiple qualifying pass's you must alternate lanes as well.

They absolutely qualified. The system won't put them in the ladder without it.
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Yup. Me too. That dude should have just came and went. Tech was obviously quite lax. In the northeast they'll pull you for going fast with rubber valve stems. You need metal ones after a certain speed. Jeff looked the other way when I asked him about it. So if the track director could care less so will the rest of the staff.

This stuff needs to be cleared up before the next fest. They need to decide if its an actual event or an exhibition. Rules need to be in place and followed. It left a sour taste in everyone's mouth.
I told the guy to not ask the question if he didn't want to hear the answer. Tech will be cleaned up next year. It's much easier to deal with someone pissed they can't run without a DS loop than guys quoting safety issues. I promise this will be a focus next year and hope you all will back me when the complains start. But it will be a good thing. Also a completely different track.

Unlimited class and faster will change next year. Rules for these classes remained the same as last year and the cars met the rules so easy to defend whether right or wrong. This is 100% on me an I will own it. I have more to add but still making the trek home. Tks for the constructive discussion.



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[QUOTE=mlee;6860386]They absolutely qualified. The system won't put them in the ladder without it.


Not to beat a dead horse, but they did not qualify. If they had they would not have ran against the 2 fastest non-shop cars.
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They absolutely qualified. The system won't put them in the ladder without it.

I told the guy to not ask the question if he didn't want to hear the answer. Tech will be cleaned up next year. It's much easier to deal with someone pissed they can't run without a DS loop than guys quoting safety issues. I promise this will be a focus next year and hope you all will back me when the complains start. But it will be a good thing. Also a completely different track.

Unlimited class and faster will change next year. Rules for these classes remained the same as last year and the cars met the rules so easy to defend whether right or wrong. This is 100% on me an I will own it. I have more to add but still making the trek home. Tks for the constructive discussion.



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your in a tuff spot and I wouldn't want to be there. We have had the same issues in the MSHS. The cars go faster and faster every year. At some point you have to say enough is enough.
We have put in place NHRA rules for our events, if you don't follow the rules you can't race.
The waiver drivers sigh will not protect you from lawsuits. Way to much at stake for you not to be inforceing the rules.
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