Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums - Camaro5.com
 
TireRack
Go Back   Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums - Camaro5.com > Engine | Drivetrain | Powertrain Technical Discussions > Forced Induction - V8


Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 09-28-2015, 02:07 PM   #1
Rumbumbees$ponsor
 
Rumbumbees$ponsor's Avatar
 
Drives: Autobot
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: H-Town
Posts: 230
Examples of blowers used and turbos what power to expect on 417

I have about 4 to 5 weeks to decide waiting on a 417 from LME, I'm wanting to upgrade the eforce but after this weekend it proved to be fine for this type of event.. 1 mile autocross event or road race course. A professional driver in a C7 stingray Z51 with upgrades did the course in 54.5 sec and my wife did it 59 sec. after 9 laps that's with no experience at all and full tire pressure with not so great tires. She had the 6th lowest time in supercharged/turbo group about 40 cars, would of got 1st in completely stock v8 including stangs, and 3rd in bolt ons NA with suspension mods camaro and mustangs. The turbo and centrifugal guys (no gals) did the worst, well not really more like middle of the pack about 15-20th places.. Anyway just wanted to share..

Back on topic..

Looking for some real world numbers not dyno glory runs with cold cars. What can I expect... I do 640 on a cold day and cold car, after a hour of driving its 560 rwhp. So don't give me BS my car drives the same cold or hot and make same power.. When I mean heat 95 to 100 I'm in Texas.. Ony good thing is next 4 mos cool weather and will not have to store car lol!

Problems:

My shop likes Whipple, They do a lot there used to them I get it some people don't like change I'm the same way. (Problem is, Is there something I'm missing out on?) that they haven't tried or experienced?

2. People here praise Heartbeat(I assume this is Magnuson or maggie) These blowers seem like there a tad more than the rest (why?)

3. my ears like the blow off noise turbos give lol. Seems like a lot of issues driving hard, then shutting off... timers, electric oil pumps a lot of pipping ugly stock exhaust manifolds, bearing over spinning, wear on non bearing shaft type style, Hot ass temps..


Pros and Cons of each? Reliability, broken or slip belts? maintenance and repairs prices.

I'll be satisfied with 800 at wheels, I'd rather do it with my eforce but I'm told it won't happen.. (BTW whats the downside to do a 100 or 75 shot to make 800 with the eforce.. I know I need to get a number out of my head the event above proved it.. But I'd like to know I could hang with a exotic or beat it on a 65 roll. ( I want me to be following him on the beltway and he hits it and I have enough power to move over from behind him and pass him and he give me the thumbs up, or the finger both works for me!
__________________

Last edited by Rumbumbees$ponsor; 09-29-2015 at 10:19 AM.
Rumbumbees$ponsor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-28-2015, 09:49 PM   #2
D3R3K
Sittin side ways
 
D3R3K's Avatar
 
Drives: 2010 2SS/RS IOM
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Arlington,Tx
Posts: 196
I like procharger. And with meth injection the car runs hard all the time.
__________________
850+hp club member
Procharger F1-A
D3R3K is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-28-2015, 10:15 PM   #3
dreksnot
Served USN - Atomic Chimp
 
dreksnot's Avatar
 
Drives: 2013 Camaro TT/SS LS3
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Fort Collins, CO
Posts: 542
A little N20 shot and that would get you there.

15k miles and I've only had to change the scavenger pump oil filter several times. And those turbo belt tensioners are a bitch to tighten!
__________________
July 2015: 804RWHP @ 5,700rpm @ 11psi w/14*, 804RWTQ @ 4,950rpm @ 11.7psi boost w/14* on E85 11.279@127.02 DA7551ft (benchracer sea level est 10.5@141)
AGP 56/61 twins, BTR Turbo Stg III cam, AEM Tru-Boost, n2mb WOT, ID-1000s, NGK BR7EF, E85 flex sensor, LPE Twin-Fuel, Street Slayer Triple Carbon, 3.73 ZL1, DSS CF ds, axles, Hurst Line Lock, Prothane Mtr Mnts, Revshift Poly Trans ins, BMR Trailing Arms, Toe Rods, Front & Rear adj Sways


dreksnot is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 09-28-2015, 10:25 PM   #4
cc-rider
 
Drives: 2010 Camaro SS
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: MN
Posts: 659
Stay with the PD charger. Our Camaro's are heavy...they need the instant boost and torque that the PD blower excels at. Especially for road course and autocross like you mentioned.

Just one guys opinion. You'll get more. Many fine systems to work with...
cc-rider is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-29-2015, 02:17 AM   #5
Js2fst
2010 transformer
 
Js2fst's Avatar
 
Drives: 2010 ss camaro
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: Lee's summit mo
Posts: 450
Had all those but eforce and Procharger with wast gate and controler
__________________
2010 transformer, vertical doors, 315nt05 rears, pedders supercar coilovers, hotchkis sway bars, links, adjustable, toe bars, bmr poly cradle bushings, 1le control arms, bmr tunnel brace, bmr subframe connectors. Cam 227/239-623-620@114 Mast medium bore heads, sw 1 7/8 headers, cat delete, x pipe, 3" dynomax true duals, fuel rails, fast 102 intake and NW 102 throttle body, catch can, rotofab cai, shifter, raptor custom shift light. Dss drive shaft, 3.91 gears. 492 rwhp
Js2fst is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 09-29-2015, 10:23 AM   #6
Rumbumbees$ponsor
 
Rumbumbees$ponsor's Avatar
 
Drives: Autobot
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: H-Town
Posts: 230
Which will make 800 rwhp and room to grow if upgrade pump later

Heart beat 2.3 Pros and cons.

Whipple 2.9l or 4.0 Pros or Cons..

Will they fit under stock brace?
Heat soak or runs better when hotter?
Belt, pulley, or tensioner issues?
__________________
Rumbumbees$ponsor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-29-2015, 10:30 AM   #7
Unreal


 
Drives: 2006 Z06
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Gilbert, AZ
Posts: 4,726
Heart beat will max out around there and that is really pushing it.
Same with 2.9L whipple. 4.0L can make that and more, but won't fit under stock hood/cowl and needs a lot of cutting and work to fit.

Any PD blower pushing 800+ will need a full belt system upgrade, probably 10 rib minimum, aftermarket coolers, pumps, and a significant ammount of upgrades just to the blower/drive system.
__________________
Nick
Corvette Z06 -1200ish rwhp
Unreal is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-29-2015, 11:41 AM   #8
SilverSS1LE
 
SilverSS1LE's Avatar
 
Drives: 1LE (Sold). Looking for black SS
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Houston
Posts: 252
twins FTW! you can easily make 800+
__________________
SOLD MY 1LE; will soon be looking for an SS to build
SilverSS1LE is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-29-2015, 12:44 PM   #9
AGP Turbo

 
Drives: All things Turbocharged
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: AZ
Posts: 612
800whp and room to grow?
Custom fit a Kenne Bell 3.6 or 4.2
Big centri YSI or F1X or Novi2200
AGP TT kit with the new EFR turbos They are amazing
AGP Turbo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-29-2015, 01:57 PM   #10
SilverSS1LE
 
SilverSS1LE's Avatar
 
Drives: 1LE (Sold). Looking for black SS
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Houston
Posts: 252
are you wanting a centri or pd blower?
turbos not an option?
__________________
SOLD MY 1LE; will soon be looking for an SS to build
SilverSS1LE is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-29-2015, 02:34 PM   #11
dreksnot
Served USN - Atomic Chimp
 
dreksnot's Avatar
 
Drives: 2013 Camaro TT/SS LS3
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Fort Collins, CO
Posts: 542
A 417cid with Eforce mounted is a mighty beast. Add nitrous and nothing more intimidating when staging next to it when purging the lines and hearing the whine of the supercharger. Making my point, there's a 418 stroker, eForce equipped with nitrous in our Camaro Club that pumps out about 40 more HP than my TT setup. It's a fun run down the quarter and, yes, he'll pull me, but only by a car length. You can make your desire happen with what you got now. Adding N2O is cheap when contemplating doing a S/C swapout. It does add hardware (tank, solenoids, controller, heater) and you have to have intent to use it (prep time, purging) - it's not an anytime/anywhere type of setup (IMO). But the results will leave you wanting to up the shot to the next shot (jet size) level. Just saying.
__________________
July 2015: 804RWHP @ 5,700rpm @ 11psi w/14*, 804RWTQ @ 4,950rpm @ 11.7psi boost w/14* on E85 11.279@127.02 DA7551ft (benchracer sea level est 10.5@141)
AGP 56/61 twins, BTR Turbo Stg III cam, AEM Tru-Boost, n2mb WOT, ID-1000s, NGK BR7EF, E85 flex sensor, LPE Twin-Fuel, Street Slayer Triple Carbon, 3.73 ZL1, DSS CF ds, axles, Hurst Line Lock, Prothane Mtr Mnts, Revshift Poly Trans ins, BMR Trailing Arms, Toe Rods, Front & Rear adj Sways


dreksnot is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 09-29-2015, 03:56 PM   #12
10aSSee D


 
10aSSee D's Avatar
 
Drives: Silver 2010 SS Camaro
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: TN
Posts: 2,389
I could have made 800 but with my lower compression I'm happy where I sit. I run pump gas only so with meth I'm sure 800 would be possible. My car is fun to drive and a blast from a roll.
__________________
MODS:

ADM built 417, 2.9L Whipple with 3.250 pulley, ADM ported and polished LSA heads,ADM stage3 cam,ADM LSA belt drive system,ADM CAI race scoop, ADM dual fuel pumps, ID 850's, BMR full suspension, Gforce 9 inch kit with 3.5 inch driveshaft, Street Slayer twin carbon clutch, Lingenfelter oil seperator. Tuned by built by ADM Performance, 763rwhp,705rwtq
10aSSee D is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-29-2015, 05:37 PM   #13
Scotty D2014
 
Drives: 2014 SS1-1le RRM
Join Date: May 2015
Location: Boston, mass
Posts: 241
Who makes those EFR turbos?
Scotty D2014 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 09-29-2015, 05:45 PM   #14
blake-b

 
blake-b's Avatar
 
Drives: Black 2010 2SS/RS LS3
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Kansas City, MO
Posts: 2,162
Borg Warner
blake-b is offline   Reply With Quote
 
Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:50 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2016, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.